Could Trump and Company Destroy Us?

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Gary Childress wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 9:44 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 6:08 am
Gary Childress wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 5:06 am
What do you mean by "stop the investigations"? Who is trying to stop investigations and what "investigations" are you referring to?
Wow. So you haven't been watching any news? DOGE is investigating USAID, the Department of Education, and a whole bunch of other agencies, and have already uncovered oceans of waste, graft and corruption. Just check out the list of nonsense that USAID was getting away with taking money for, for example...and remember that every penny of it was coming out of the pockets of ordinary people like you.
Unfortunately, it's not clear that Musk and DOGE have the authority to shut down agencies and programs approved by Congress. They seem to be overstepping their boundaries. That's pretty scary.
First, let's look at the mandate of USAID.

According to Wiki...
The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) is an independent agency of the United States government that is primarily responsible for administering civilian foreign aid and development assistance.

USAID was established in 1961 by President John F. Kennedy to unite several existing foreign assistance organizations and programs under one agency. Statute law places USAID under "the direct authority and policy guidance of the Secretary of State".[4] It implements programs in global health, disaster relief, socioeconomic development, environmental protection, democratic governance and education.
Now, of course, one would be a fool not to back efforts to eliminate wasteful spending of our tax dollars, so there's no argument with wanting to make sure that agencies such as USAID aren't directing money towards questionable projects such as...
Immanuel Can wrote:"...Woke comic books in Peru or trans surgeries in Guatemala..."
...(or trans surgeries anywhere, for that matter).

However,...

...considering that America is often referred to as being a "Christian Nation"...

...don't you find it somewhat ironic (if not brazenly hypocritical) that the main "Christian" on the forum (IC) has no problem with the attack that is taking place on one of the very few American agencies that even remotely resembles the Christian exhortation to "tithe" a portion of one's wealth to help others?

In light of the fact that much of America's wealth came from the exploitation of other people's lands and resources across the planet along with the death and destruction that often accompanies America's imperialistic endeavors,...

...don't you think that the services that agencies such as USAID provide is the "very least" a so-called "Christian Nation" can do in return?

How many different ways does IC need to demonstrate that he is a "faux" Christian before that fact becomes clear to everyone?

For not only has he refuted the implications of the "Original Sin" (the foundation of Christianity) that allegedly took place in Eden (implying that our subsequent inheritance of that Sin is "hogwash" <--- IC's word for describing the generally accepted interpretation of "Original Sin" among actual Christians),...

...but now he seems to be inadvertently implying that any tithings that a "Christian" might make to organizations such as, say, the "World Food Program USA," or "World Vision International," or "Feed the Children," etc., are a waste of a Christian's money and need a billionaire's crew of waste investigators to set the Christian straight. :roll:
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seeds wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:34 pm
...but now he seems to be inadvertently implying that any tithings that a "Christian" might make to organizations such as, say, the "World Food Program USA," or "World Vision International," or "Feed the Children," etc., are a waste of a Christian's money and need a billionaire's crew of waste investigators to set the Christian straight. :roll:
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It's a waste of 'anyone's' money. You should find a more worthy and less corrupt cause to get your virtue-signalling credits from--like donating to a Colombian drug cartel for instance.
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What's that old admonition that warns against wrestling in the mud with a pig?

Something about how not only do you both get dirty, but you discover that the pig enjoys it.
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Consider this perspective on Trump’s victory and its implications.

Millerman always has interesting thoughts.
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Open Letter to the “men” of Philosophy Now

That you chose, of your own accord, to pee sitting down for so long was noble — at that time.

But times have changed!

Time has come to show manfulness and to resist the gynocracy.
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seeds wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:34 pm However,...

...considering that America is often referred to as being a "Christian Nation"...
Of course, there's no such thing. A "nation" is a collective noun, and as such, not personal, not individual. Only persons can choose a creed. Some person in the US are actually Christian, but most are not.
...don't you find it somewhat ironic (if not brazenly hypocritical) that the main "Christian" on the forum (IC) has no problem with the attack that is taking place on one of the very few American agencies that even remotely resembles the Christian exhortation to "tithe" a portion of one's wealth to help others?
Oh, so much to say about that.

Let's start with the very obvious observation that there's one heck of a difference between inviting ethical persons to be voluntarily charitable, and appropriating the legitimate property of citizens by fiat. Then there's the difference between taking those funds to do good, and taking them to enrich the leeches in one's bureaucracy, or to subsidize the sterilization and castration of children in another country.

Nobody's objecting to aid. What they're objecting to is the latter. And any Christian worthy of the name will not mistake the latter for the former, nor allow the later to become a substitute for the former. To do so would be totally unchristian.

And why you'd want to defend it, or to criticize those who want to stop the grift, the corruption and castrating of children...well, I really can't say.
In light of the fact that much of America's wealth came from the exploitation of other people's lands and resources across the planet along with the death and destruction that often accompanies America's imperialistic endeavors,...
Woke nonsense. It's not a fact at all. You need a history class or two, and not from some blue-haired, Leftist harpy...a real history class. And then you'd find out that nobody "owned" North America at all, and the tribes that roamed across it didn't even have a conception of land ownership. And maybe you could take a course in economics as well, and find out that value can be created by ingenuity, invention, improvements in technology, and free trade.

And then, maybe, you'd have something to say. Today, not so much, apparently.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 8:36 pm Consider this perspective on Trump’s victory and its implications.

Millerman always has interesting thoughts.
In a general reference to Trump's resounding victory,...

(of which Millerman treated as if it were the second coming of Christ)

...video boy stated the following...
"...I see in my friends and colleagues a renewed sense of American optimism - the idea that America can now dream again..."
I'm sorry, Alexis, but I don't think I can be your agent any longer.

Please pay what you owe me for past services and take your business elsewhere.
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seeds wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:12 pm I'm sorry, Alexis, but I don't think I can be your agent any longer.

Please pay what you owe me for past services and take your business elsewhere.
Strange how utterly opposed to the present shifts you are. Myself, I watch it all with some fascination, some trepidation, yet what most interests me are the ideological underpinnings.

One thing I find utterly, even fantastically stupid (more than that really) is Trump’s unreal declarations about the population of Gaza and his hare-brained plans.

Here’s one: Why is everything normal called fascist.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 12:13 am Myself, I watch it all with some fascination, some trepidation, yet what most interests me are the ideological underpinnings.
...you're very fortunate to have a horrendous flood of stupid still on the way from Mr. Trump and his admirers to examine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyuZhMb_hmo
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 12:13 am One thing I find utterly, even fantastically stupid (more than that really) is Trump’s unreal declarations about the population of Gaza and his hare-brained plans.
henry quirk wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:23 pm RED MAN DEFIANT, like most of us, is just plain tired of the whole Israel/Palestine mess. He wants 'em to settle down and shut up. So, straight-faced, he proposes sumthin' he knows neither side wants, sumthin' he knows they know, if push came to shove, America could actually do. He scares 'em with a possibility then he'll offer a more moderate solution. And they'll eat it up.

Like with Greenland. RED MAN DEFIANT doesn't want Greenland. He wants a larger American presence there, sumthin' he's more likely to get becuz that'll be his more moderate solution. And they'll eat it up.

Like with tariffs. RED MAN DEFIANT doesn't want a trade war. He wants Canada and Mexico to take a large hand in cleaning up their messes before they become our messes. Both nations have readily agreed to do just that.
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Wizard22 wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:01 pm
Age wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 12:50 pmThe IMMATURITY, here, makes one WONDER if 'this one' even KNOWS 'THE CONSEQUENCES' FOR LYING, PRODUCING FRAUDULENT WRITINGS, and FOR 'TRY TO' DECEIVE readers.
...claims the most IMMATURE and DECEIVING one of all.
Now, ONCE AGAIN, what 'we' have, here, is 'this one' MAKING UP ANOTHER CLAIM, and ACCUSATION, ABOUT 'me'. And, ONCE AGAIN, I WILL SHOW and PROVE, IRREFUTABLY, HOW ones like 'this one' COMPLETELY and UTTERLY FAIL, ABSOLUTELY, WHEN 'I' CHALLENGE and QUESTION 'them' in regards to 'their CLAIM/S' ABOUT 'me'.

So, "wizard22" when have I EVER even 'TRIED TO' DECEIVE ABSOLUTELY ANY one, here, in this forum?

If you do NOT PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY ANY thing, then the Fact that your have just, ONCE AGAIN, PROVIDED A COMPLETELY EMPTY ACCUSATION and CLAIM STANDS ON its OWN.

If, however, you PROVIDE JUST SOME thing, then GREAT, at least NOW 'we' WILL HAVE some thing to LOOK AT, CONSIDER, and DISCUSS.

Also, if 'you' REALLY WANT TO SEE 'me' as being the MOST IMMATURE one, here, then that is PERFECTLY FINE, and OKAY, WITH 'me'. you DOING SO just will just back up and support what I WILL BE SAYING ABOUT HOW the Mind and brain work, FURTHER.
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Dubious wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 12:34 am ...you're very fortunate to have a horrendous flood of stupid still on the way from Mr. Trump and his admirers to examine.
The video was, I’d say, merely typical. Just more TDS. That’s fine, I suppose, but not the way I roll.

It is The Maga Movement that is more to be paid attention to.

I feel a bit — what is the word? — embarrassed that I feel glee to watch people freak out about Trump & Co.’s radical actions. I wonder: Who ultimately will benefit, and am 65% sure it will not be The Common Man, but I am uncertain.

As I intoned with prophetic wisdom to sobby Gary I don’t have a very good feeling about what is on the horizon.

And I have some theories as to why …

I thought Musk with his child in the Oval office was priceless!

(Are you going to get a chip installed when they come out?)
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How much is the 'Office of faith' costing the taxpayer, and how much is the bizarre fraud of woman running it being paid?

I wonder if 'DOGE' will be investigating this :lol:
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:53 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 9:44 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 6:08 am
Wow. So you haven't been watching any news? DOGE is investigating USAID, the Department of Education, and a whole bunch of other agencies, and have already uncovered oceans of waste, graft and corruption. Just check out the list of nonsense that USAID was getting away with taking money for, for example...and remember that every penny of it was coming out of the pockets of ordinary people like you.
Unfortunately, it's not clear that Musk and DOGE have the authority to shut down agencies and programs approved by Congress.
Trump has the authority.
There are supposed to be checks and balances that prevent a single branch of the government from taking over and assuming dictatorial power.
The Dems never thought so. The whole executive level is appointed or hired, not voted in. They have no more right to their place at the public trough than anybody.
Congress approves budgets, not the Executive branch.
But they do not designate the specific uses of those funds. That's decided by the executive.

Let me ask you this: would you think tax dollars should go to things like the relief of the flood victims in the American northeast and fire victims in California, or to transition surgeries in Guatemala, DEI theatre in Ireland, and lessons in modern art appreciation for women in Afghanistan?
Let me ask you this: would you think tax dollars should go to things like the relief of victims ALL OVER 'the world', or to the making and creation of bombs and wars that DESTROY buildings and lands, and WOUND, MAIM, KILL, and MURDER lives of a, literal, UNTOLD AMOUNT of human lives?
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 4:29 pm
Alexiev wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 4:11 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:53 pm Let me ask you this: would you think tax dollars should go to things like the relief of the flood victims in the American northeast and fire victims in California, or to transition surgeries in Guatemala, DEI theatre in Ireland, and lessons in modern art appreciation for women in Afghanistan?
I think we should give at least $1 billion for DEI theatre in Ireland, or I would if I had any idea what DEI theatre is.
It's theatre that promotes the ideology known as "diversity, equity and inclusion."
And, 'we' would NOT WANT the TEACHING OF 'diversity', 'equity', AND 'inclusion', in 'the world', hey "Immanuel can".

What SHOULD BE TAUGHT, FOLLOWED, and ADHERED TO, ONLY, and INSTEAD, is that God is an ALL POWERFUL MALE, who created the WHOLE Universe, and if you DO NOT FOLLOW 'our teachings and guidelines', then 'you' WILL be PUNISHED, for ETERNITY', and one MUST ALSO REMEMBER that ANY and EVERY one ELSE's teachings are NOT as good and right as 'ours' and that ALL 'other people' are LESSER than 'us' SUPERIOR so-called "christians", right "Immanuel can"?
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 4:29 pm How theatre would even do that, and why it would merit millions of tax dollars being taken from Americans is a very good question.
HOW 'things' are TAUGHT through theater is IN the EXACT SAME WAY 'things' have been TAUGHT through theater, since just about theater has been in Existence for.

WHY TEACHING what is ACTUALLY Good and/or Right, in Life, is, ACTUALLY, 'self-explanatory', which the MERIT OF also does NOT NEED EXPLAINING.

But, and OF COURSE, if one BELIEVES that their OWN CHOSEN 'religion', ONLY, IS 'the one' that EVERY one SHOULD, and BETTER, FOLLOW, then, OBVIOUSLY, 'that one' would NOT and COULD NOT SEE the MERIT in teaching things like, 'diversity', 'equity', and/or 'inclusion'. BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, to 'that one' there is NO 'diversity' AS EVERY one SHOULD BE A "christian" AND A BELIEVER In A God that HAS male sex organs, thus there is ALSO NO 'equity' TO 'that one', just like there is NO 'inclusion' EITHER. SEE, if people are NOT so-called "christians" AND NOT male God 'believers' then 'they' are NOT 'one of us', and therefore NOT 'equal' and NOT 'included' AS 'one of us'. 'they' are, literally, THE ENEMY, and there is NO room in 'this world' for 'diversity' NOR for absolutely ANY one who is NOT 'one of us'.
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 4:29 pm Perhaps as good as why Americans should be paying for Woke comic books in Peru or trans surgeries in Guatemala -- all of which USAID was channelling American taxpayers' money to.
Just out of curiosity,
HOW MUCH money does "usaid" actually have?
How much money has "usaid" spent on these four things? And,
HOW much money has "usaid" spent on 'these things' in "united states of america", itself?

Or, is the WHOLE Picture NOT WANTED TO BE LOOKED AT and DISCUSSED?
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