Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

[attofishpi]

Get her started on the subject of how American's have butchered the "English" language.

I'd like her to explain to us how the British word - "crisps" isn't vastly more awkward to pronounce,...

(crissspsssss )

...as compared to the American word "chips" when referencing our favorite potato snacks.

Eh?

Crisps & chips are very very different.

Crisps are cold thin slices of potato that were previously cooked then placed in sealed airtight for freshness plastic bags.

Chips are deep fried thick rectangular shaped and served hot (and should only ever have salt n vinegar sprinkled over them imo)

[seeds]

Get her started on the subject of how American's have butchered the "English" language.

I'd like her to explain to us how the British word - "crisps" isn't vastly more awkward to pronounce,...

(crissspsssss )

...as compared to the American word "chips" when referencing our favorite potato snacks.

Eh?

Crisps & chips are very very different.

Crisps are cold thin slices of potato that were previously cooked then placed in sealed airtight for freshness plastic bags.

Chips are deep fried thick rectangular shaped and served hot (and should only ever have salt n vinegar sprinkled over them imo)

Question to AI Overview:

Me:
Are potato crisps and potato chips the same thing?

AI Overview:
Yes, potato crisps and potato chips are the same thing, but the term used depends on the region.

Explanation

North America
In North America, the term "chips" is used to describe thin, salty slices of fried potato.

United Kingdom and Ireland
In the UK and Ireland, the term "crisps" is used to describe thin, salty slices of fried potato.

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[attofishpi]

Get her started on the subject of how American's have butchered the "English" language.

I'd like her to explain to us how the British word - "crisps" isn't vastly more awkward to pronounce,...

(crissspsssss )

...as compared to the American word "chips" when referencing our favorite potato snacks.

Eh?

Crisps & chips are very very different.

Crisps are cold thin slices of potato that were previously cooked then placed in sealed airtight for freshness plastic bags.

Chips are deep fried thick rectangular shaped and served hot (and should only ever have salt n vinegar sprinkled over them imo)

Question to AI Overview:

Me:
Are potato crisps and potato chips the same thing?

AI Overview:
Yes, potato crisps and potato chips are the same thing, but the term used depends on the region.

Explanation

North America
In North America, the term "chips" is used to describe thin, salty slices of fried potato.

United Kingdom and Ireland
In the UK and Ireland, the term "crisps" is used to describe thin, salty slices of fried potato.

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FFS. Why don't people shove their """A.I.""" reasoning up their frickin' arses!!?

The AI is dumb - it does no reasoning.

In Australia chips refer to both hot chips from a chip shop & cold thin previously fried slices of potato - sold in wot we British refer as crisp bags - they contain CRISPS.

Thus dumb arse Americans are probably similar to Australians in that they refer to BOTH forms as "CHIPS" <-- ergo, things get confusing when attempting to state what one if going to the shops for..."Oh, hot chips or cold chips?" <-- duh!

[seeds]

Eh?

Crisps & chips are very very different.

Crisps are cold thin slices of potato that were previously cooked then placed in sealed airtight for freshness plastic bags.

Chips are deep fried thick rectangular shaped and served hot (and should only ever have salt n vinegar sprinkled over them imo)

Question to AI Overview:

Me:
Are potato crisps and potato chips the same thing?

AI Overview:
Yes, potato crisps and potato chips are the same thing, but the term used depends on the region.

Explanation

North America
In North America, the term "chips" is used to describe thin, salty slices of fried potato.

United Kingdom and Ireland
In the UK and Ireland, the term "crisps" is used to describe thin, salty slices of fried potato.

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FFS. Why don't people shove their """A.I.""" reasoning up their frickin' arses!!?

The AI is dumb - it does no reasoning.

In Australia chips refer to both hot chips from a chip shop & cold thin previously fried slices of potato - sold in wot we British refer as crisp bags - they contain CRISPS.

Thus dumb arse Americans are probably similar to Australians in that they refer to BOTH forms as "CHIPS" <-- ergo, things get confusing when attempting to state what one if going to the shops for..."Oh, hot chips or cold chips?" <-- duh!

Look, you drunkin' filthy mouth moron, "chips" refer to hot chips here in the states also (as in hot "fish & chips").

I was just trying to engage in some lighthearted banter with AJ.
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[attofishpi]

Look, you drunkin' filthy mouth moron, "chips" refer to hot chips here in the states also (as in hot "fish & chips").

Yet, you still couldn't differentiate what CRISPS are to CHIPS - even using an ""AI""

You need to learn how to pose a question to the AI..

So if someone asks you to get some chips from the shop, you are very clear as to what they want?

[seeds]

Look, you drunkin' filthy mouth moron, "chips" refer to hot chips here in the states also (as in hot "fish & chips").

Yet, you still couldn't differentiate what CRISPS are to CHIPS - even using an ""AI""

You need to learn how to pose a question to the AI..

And you need to learn how to post responses in this forum without using vulgar language.
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[attofishpi]

Look, you drunkin' filthy mouth moron, "chips" refer to hot chips here in the states also (as in hot "fish & chips").

Yet, you still couldn't differentiate what CRISPS are to CHIPS - even using an ""AI""

You need to learn how to pose a question to the AI..

And you need to learn how to post responses in this forum without using vulgar language.
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Why don't you re-read my post at the top of the page and compare that to your idiotic reply using "AI" and comprehend Y it's so hard for me to contain what you appear to consider 'vulgar language'.

[seeds]

Yet, you still couldn't differentiate what CRISPS are to CHIPS - even using an ""AI""

You need to learn how to pose a question to the AI..

And you need to learn how to post responses in this forum without using vulgar language.
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Why don't you re-read my post at the top of the page and compare that to your idiotic reply using "AI" and comprehend Y it's so hard for me to contain what you appear to consider 'vulgar language'.

I consider this...

FFS. Why don't people shove their """A.I.""" reasoning up their frickin' arses!!?

...to not only be vulgar, but a totally unnecessary (over-the-top) response to my quick search using AI.

Would it have been better if I had used Wikipedia instead?

Seems a bit old fashioned nowadays, but here you go...

Potato Chip
A pile of kettle-cooked potato chips from Utz Brands
Alternative names Crisps (British and Irish English)
Course Snack, side dish Place of origin United Kingdom, United States
Serving temperature Room temperature Media: Potato chip
A potato chip (NAmE and AuE; often just chip) or crisp (BrE and IrE) is a thin slice of potato (or a thin deposit of potato paste) that has been deep fried, baked, or air fried until crunchy. They are commonly served as a snack, side dish, or appetizer.

Now, why don't you go find yourself a good Proctologist (after you have sobered up) and have him (or her) remove that corncob from your rectum.
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[attofishpi]

And you need to learn how to post responses in this forum without using vulgar language.
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Why don't you re-read my post at the top of the page and compare that to your idiotic reply using "AI" and comprehend Y it's so hard for me to contain what you appear to consider 'vulgar language'.

I consider this...

FFS. Why don't people shove their """A.I.""" reasoning up their frickin' arses!!?

...to not only be vulgar, but a totally unnecessary (over-the-top) response to my quick search using AI.

Would it have been better if I had used Wikipedia instead?

Seems a bit old fashioned nowadays, but here you go...

Potato Chip
A pile of kettle-cooked potato chips from Utz Brands
Alternative names Crisps (British and Irish English)
Course Snack, side dish Place of origin United Kingdom, United States
Serving temperature Room temperature Media: Potato chip
A potato chip (NAmE and AuE; often just chip) or crisp (BrE and IrE) is a thin slice of potato (or a thin deposit of potato paste) that has been deep fried, baked, or air fried until crunchy. They are commonly served as a snack, side dish, or appetizer.

Now, why don't you go find yourself a good Proctologist (after you have sobered up) and have him (or her) remove that corncob from your rectum.
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Wanka.

AGAIN: So if someone asks you to get some chips from the shop, you are very clear as to what they want?

How do you differentiate as to what form of chips this person is asking you to get?

[accelafine]

Question to AI Overview:

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FFS. Why don't people shove their """A.I.""" reasoning up their frickin' arses!!?

The AI is dumb - it does no reasoning.

In Australia chips refer to both hot chips from a chip shop & cold thin previously fried slices of potato - sold in wot we British refer as crisp bags - they contain CRISPS.

Thus dumb arse Americans are probably similar to Australians in that they refer to BOTH forms as "CHIPS" <-- ergo, things get confusing when attempting to state what one if going to the shops for..."Oh, hot chips or cold chips?" <-- duh!

Look, you drunkin' filthy mouth moron, "chips" refer to hot chips here in the states also (as in hot "fish & chips").

I was just trying to engage in some lighthearted banter with AJ.
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You don't call them 'chips' at all, you spreader of fake news, you call them 'fries', or 'french fries'.

[Skepdick]

Yes but you have not answered my question. Are you trying to be flippant?

I've answered it to the best of my abilities. I am simply acknowledging my perpetual state of uncertainty and lack of omniscience.

Despite my desire for my will (and the outcomes thereof) to be deterministic and predictable.
Despite my desires for what I will to be true to actually become true reality resists such determination.

If determinism was true I'd never have any doubts.
If determinism was true why aren't outcomes 100% guaranteed?
If determinism's true why am I even in the position to examine, doubt, and commit to different courses of action?
Why grapple with any of this? Why don't we simply let reality happen to us?

My actual lived experience of uncertainty, choice, and active engagement with reality doesn't match what I'd expect if everything were simply predetermined.

If determinism's true I'd expect none of the cognitive load expended on computing the consequences of my choices.

The existence of cognitive machinery seems entirely redundant in a deterministic universe.

[seeds]

FFS. Why don't people shove their """A.I.""" reasoning up their frickin' arses!!?

The AI is dumb - it does no reasoning.

In Australia chips refer to both hot chips from a chip shop & cold thin previously fried slices of potato - sold in wot we British refer as crisp bags - they contain CRISPS.

Thus dumb arse Americans are probably similar to Australians in that they refer to BOTH forms as "CHIPS" <-- ergo, things get confusing when attempting to state what one if going to the shops for..."Oh, hot chips or cold chips?" <-- duh!

Look, you drunkin' filthy mouth moron, "chips" refer to hot chips here in the states also (as in hot "fish & chips").

I was just trying to engage in some lighthearted banter with AJ.
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You don't call them 'chips' at all, you spreader of fake news, you call them 'fries', or 'french fries'.

Yes, you're right,

In America, the "chips" that accompany the fish dinner I've been referring to are, indeed, "french fries." But, like the British, we (or at least my family and friends) always called them "fish & chips."

Anyway, this is getting ridiculous.

Because of drunk atto, this conversation, which started out as something that was meant to be a lighthearted look at how much more difficult it is to pronounce "crissspsssss" compared to "chips," took a wrong turn into the realm of idiocy and has wandered far, far away from the original point.
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[attofishpi]

Because of drunk atto, this conversation, which started out as something that was meant to be a lighthearted look at how much more difficult it is to pronounce "crissspsssss" compared to "chips," took a wrong turn into the realm of idiocy and has wandered far, far away from the original point.

Drunk? moi? ..as if I am offended by the fact that I like a booze up. (Haven't had a drink for about 5 days atm)

Honestly tho, thank God (Rick) that you can't post grotesque images anymore.

French fries are extremely thin chips, so more idiotic ways of defining a type of food by Americans--that you can't differentiate between a CHIP, a French Fry and a CRISP - lmao.

Next you'll be telling me that you put GAS (petroleum - a liquid) into your car?

[Belinda]

Yes but you have not answered my question. Are you trying to be flippant?

I've answered it to the best of my abilities. I am simply acknowledging my perpetual state of uncertainty and lack of omniscience.

Despite my desire for my will (and the outcomes thereof) to be deterministic and predictable.
Despite my desires for what I will to be true to actually become true reality resists such determination.

If determinism was true I'd never have any doubts.
If determinism was true why aren't outcomes 100% guaranteed?
If determinism's true why am I even in the position to examine, doubt, and commit to different courses of action?
Why grapple with any of this? Why don't we simply let reality happen to us?

My actual lived experience of uncertainty, choice, and active engagement with reality doesn't match what I'd expect if everything were simply predetermined.

If determinism's true I'd expect none of the cognitive load expended on computing the consequences of my choices.

The existence of cognitive machinery seems entirely redundant in a deterministic universe.

Thanks for your reply. The paragraph with questions beginning with 'if' makes the key points.

* Determinism is true as to its existence as a natural and ontological force .You would still have doubts because you cannot know all the causes of one event. The causes of one event may be illustrated by the form of an inverted triangle of which the stipulated event E is the apex and the base is the incalculable infinity of causes of E.


* Outcomes from event E are never "guaranteed" because we cannot foretell the future.


* You are in the position to examine, doubt and commit to different actions because natural selection caused you to have a complex and large brainmind. Please consider , if you will, the comparative power of choice between a man and a mouse.
Our power of brainmind can choose which events are more probable----that's to say the best explanation for what happened and for what will happen.It's doubtful if any other animal can understand probability. Even the most intelligent breed of domestic dog is trained by the method of stimulus and response.

* We grapple with "any of this" because we are motivated to stay alive , and because we have the powers of brainmind to grapple with "any of this".

Such persons as "let reality happen " to them are fatalists. Fatalism is a species of determinism that includes the additional hypothesis that the fates have decided in advance what will happen thus rendering each of us us powerless to decide our own fate. Fatalism is rife in certain cultures where a class of persons are historically oppressed.
Related to fatalism is predestination which is also a species of determinism where the added hypothesis is that God decided in advance of event E what event E will be. Predestination typically pertains to Calvinistic religionists.

[Skepdick]

Yes but you have not answered my question. Are you trying to be flippant?

I've answered it to the best of my abilities. I am simply acknowledging my perpetual state of uncertainty and lack of omniscience.

Despite my desire for my will (and the outcomes thereof) to be deterministic and predictable.
Despite my desires for what I will to be true to actually become true reality resists such determination.

If determinism was true I'd never have any doubts.
If determinism was true why aren't outcomes 100% guaranteed?
If determinism's true why am I even in the position to examine, doubt, and commit to different courses of action?
Why grapple with any of this? Why don't we simply let reality happen to us?

My actual lived experience of uncertainty, choice, and active engagement with reality doesn't match what I'd expect if everything were simply predetermined.

If determinism's true I'd expect none of the cognitive load expended on computing the consequences of my choices.

The existence of cognitive machinery seems entirely redundant in a deterministic universe.

Thanks for your reply. The paragraph with questions beginning with 'if' makes the key points.

* Determinism is true as to its existence as a natural and ontological force .You would still have doubts because you cannot know all the causes of one event. The causes of one event may be illustrated by the form of an inverted triangle of which the stipulated event E is the apex and the base is the incalculable infinity of causes of E.
* Outcomes from event E are never "guaranteed" because we cannot foretell the future.
* You are in the position to examine, doubt and commit to different actions because natural selection caused you to have a complex and large brainmind. Please consider , if you will, the comparative power of choice between a man and a mouse.
* We grapple with "any of this" because we are motivated to stay alive , and because we have the powers of brainmind to grapple with "any of this".

Such persons as "let reality happen " to them are fatalists. Fatalism is a species of determinism that includes the additional hypothesis that the fates have decided in advance what will happen thus rendering each of us us powerless to decide our own fate. Fatalism is rife in certain cultures where a class of persons are historically oppressed.
Related to fatalism is predestination which is also a species of determinism where the added hypothesis is that God decided in advance of event E what event E will be. Predestination typically pertains to Calvinistic religionists.

The same "if" in my position prefixes determinism/predestination (I am going to tread the two as effectively synonymous)

Determinists still can't explain the existence of redundant cognitive machinery.

We wouldn't have to grapple with staying alive if we didn't become alive.
Natural selection takes place only after something to be selected for (or even self-selected) emerges.

These are secondary concerns.

We are the only species aware of the rules of the game; and attempting to beat it. By calculating the consequences of our choices.

The very utility of our consciousness is the ability to see we are heading for a wall and alter course.
The very fact that the lifespan of such a machine is extending (human longevity has doubled in 300 years) means we are altering the course of history.

It's difficult to argue determinism when we are the only species who does this.

Unless, of course determinists are trying to convince us that it was pre-determined for us to live 45 years on average throughout history. And then rapidly double our lifespan in the last 300 years.

Is that determinism; or is that what happens when you finally figure out how to use the faculties you've always had to alter the course of history?

I guess in a sense I do agree with you. The entire debate has nothing to do with the "true nature of reality". It's arguing in favour of a temperament.
Determinism seems to correlate with people who feel disempowered to bring about meaningful change.

Agency is a tool for progress. People in despair lack the tools.