A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

[dawnmathieson]

Apparently telepathy is just intuition that all humans have to a greater or lesser extent. Intuition coming from our past experiences and awareness of others and our surroundings. Derren Brown did an interesting show where he 'faked' telepathy using his cold reading skills to see if that would be what they considered telepathy x

[chaz wyman]

As you are clearly trying to argue for the existence of what you like to call "Telepathy", then perhaps you would like to define it.

The argument so common from Theists that you can't prove God one way or the other is no argument for believing in God.

The simple fact is that telepathy implies some sort of non physical communication. Mind to mind. But tests through a paper wall- or even people sitting back to back and not been able to prove the slightest ability in this respect.

Your claim that Randi defines some sort of special type is not true.
What exactly do you think exists? What do you mean by telepathy?

Let me add another point.

Just because people have had "farm machines" and use these to prove that the Neutron exists and they've failed at it many thousands of times, doesn't mean that the Neutron doesn't exist because it does exist! And it has been proven by people who used the proper equipment and apparatus. So number is not equal to authority or truth value as in number of experiments or so.

[Edit2:] I've forgotten to mention that it has been published in a renowned journal which may indicate a certain prestige or weight of both the professor and this particular kind of research. [End of edit.]

[Edit:] A little thing. An analogy may be that some people who have invested time and serious interest and found telepathy are matched with "morons" who are even refusing to see the possibility for it. It's hard, therefore, to show for anything else than correlation to these people who don't know. [End of edit.]

Point 2. I support James Randi and he's been effective in removing idiot science out of the serious picture. I also think that he has made a prize for a special kind of the ESP and that his description of a certain aspect of ESP doesn't really entail telepathy.

This for now. Cheers!

[Typist]

I heard a fascinating story on NPR about elephants, and their uncanny ability to anticipate events.

An elephant rehab center reported that the elephants that they had previously released would usually show up on time to meet the new elephants being released, even though the elephants were not released according to any predictable schedule.

I have no idea of the details or truth of these reports, but the size of the elephant brain does make one wonder.

[Aetixintro]

chaz wyman, it's alright... I have nothing further at this point, I'm just saying the issue of telepathy is very much alive and how more recent an academic reference than 2011 can you get?

So, all you want, discuss, please, or write or whatever. Cheers!

[chaz wyman]

chaz wyman, it's alright... I have nothing further at this point, I'm just saying the issue of telepathy is very much alive and how more recent an academic reference than 2011 can you get?

So, all you want, discuss, please, or write or whatever. Cheers!

The fact that the 'issue' is alive does not make it relevant, important or apt to be true.
I think your definition of 'academic' is wider than most.
Other alive issues:

Astrology
Millenarianism
Islam
Voodoo
Aliens and their anal probes
Elvis seen in supermarket
Possession by djinns
Poltergeists and hauntings
Jesus and Mary appearing on pieces of cheese and toast and other edible items such as CheesyPoops

[Arising_uk]

Re:Elephants

Could be explained by their apparent ability to hear sub-sonics over long distances. Something like our technical creation of ELF that our submarines use to communicate over vast ocean distances.

[chaz wyman]

Re:Elephants

Could be explained by their apparent ability to hear sub-sonics over long distances. Something like our technical creation of ELF that our submarines use to communicate over vast ocean distances.

All true. The only problem with this analogy is that human don't communicate over long distances except with technology.

Any apparent similarities of people's thoughts is perfectly explicable in terms of synchronicity.
E.g When my partner and I come up with the same responses the the same thing, they are not causally related in terms of a spooky connection. Its just that we have shared many experiences, grown together and think similar thoughts.

... WHoooahh and before the numpties jump down my throat. Jung's idea is perfectly consistent with causal determinism and posits no incorporeal connections; synchronicity is much misunderstood.

[Aetixintro]

Other alive issues:
Astrology[*]
Millenarianism
Islam[*]
Voodoo
Aliens and their anal probes
Elvis seen in supermarket
Possession by djinns
Poltergeists and hauntings
Jesus and Mary appearing on pieces of cheese and toast and other edible items such as CheesyPoops

To my knowledge, astrology is treated seriously as the anti-case of science. It has no valid standing for being regarded seriously by itself. Can you provide references, please, of the kind "psychology’s most respected journals"?
Regarding Islam, it's only or mostly (99%), regarded as a serious issue for theology!
The rest of your list is junk and you know it, you clown (for all to see)!!! And as usual, you don't bother to support your own claims with references, you idiot!!! Please, don't write to this thread anymore, chaz wyman, because you're not serious and it's evident!!! Goodbye to you!

Cheers!

[John]

The rest of your list is junk and you know it

Umm...wasn't that the point?

[Aetixintro]

"Umm...wasn't that the point?"

It doesn't relate to the importance of telepathy and he doesn't back it up!!! What are his references? So do you think that his junk list compares to telepathy as published by "psychology’s most respected journals"? Are you seriously backing his non-referenced junk list, John? I think he's playing the whining little kid who needs some spanking and perhaps he should have it too!!!

And while you're defending him (if you are), why don't you make some references, please?

Cheers!

[John]

"Umm...wasn't that the point?"

It doesn't relate to the importance of telepathy and he doesn't back it up!!! What are his references? So do you think that his junk list compares to telepathy as published by "psychology’s most respected journals"? Are you seriously backing his non-referenced junk list, John? I think he's playing the whining little kid who needs some spanking and perhaps he should have it too!!!

And while you're defending him (if you are), why don't you make some references, please?

Cheers!

Chaz certainly doesn't need me to defend him as he's perfectly capable of defending himself.

But yes, I'm afraid I would say that unless there was something to actually verify and test then telepathy is on a par with the other things listed. I'm not aware of any solid evidence for such a phenomena and any evidence I have seen presented seems to either rely on experiments that cannot be repeated or experiments where the protocols are highly dubious and would allow for alternative explanations.

[Typist]

Anybody who doesn't believe in telepathy just hasn't been married long enough, that's all.

[Arising_uk]

All true. The only problem with this analogy is that human don't communicate over long distances except with technology. ...

I hope you don't think I was trying to give an analogy for what 'telepathy' 'could' be? I was just giving a possible explanation for the oliphants behaviour.

There is no 'telepathy' in the sense many appear to wish for, i.e. experiencing anothers 'mind' for oneself.

I thought Jung's Synchronicity was an explanation for how one assigns meaning to disparate events?

[chaz wyman]

All true. The only problem with this analogy is that human don't communicate over long distances except with technology. ...

I hope you don't think I was trying to give an analogy for what 'telepathy' 'could' be? I was just giving a possible explanation for the oliphants behaviour.

No - of course not. Your position is clear.

There is no 'telepathy' in the sense many appear to wish for, i.e. experiencing anothers 'mind' for oneself.

I thought Jung's Synchronicity was an explanation for how one assigns meaning to disparate events?

Distinct causally but co-incidental. Though I've never studies Jung in detail.

[Aetixintro]

Some more on the telepathy issue:
First of all, I'd like to make the note that prof. Bem seems to have emphasised the harder parts of ESP and not the easier part that's telepathy. I find this dubious! Secondly, I think their data-set has been fixed so that 53% is 53% and not the much clearer rate with the much more able people of about 80%. People are thus inclined to think that this investigation by prof. Bem is only at this slim level. That the results are not significant when it can easily show that actually are by making a clearer correlation by the more able people!!!

I also happen to believe that USA thinks of telepathy as "high" (or "highest" by word of a woman in USA) as in having a high standing, you know, as skill or importance of a mindful faculty. It's therefore my "damn" recommendation that the rest of the world comes to grips with this and makes it "high" in their society as well. I easily think that the schizophrenic's story of being possessed with a person can be transferred to being a kind of political science where USA more or less regulates the world based on personality type put into a larger system of parts to play in dominating the world. That is, the subversive types to operate against all foreign issues and the constructive types to work on domestic issues. I loathe to sound like this theorist of conspiracy, but this is actually a story!!! Your ignorance to telepathy may get costly!!!

I think also that prof. Bem knows that projecting faculties of the mind can more easily cause anxiety and chaos rather than the more pleasant telepathy, that when privacy is maintained, it creates a very positive role in people's lives in that it reinforces people's connections and makes life seem more lively and colourful! So in reading about this future event reading, take a step back, and rather pursue telepathy first since it's more basic in my opinion.

1. conclusion: I think prof. Bem has made a deliberately "weak" case for himself and that there is more in this than commoners know. I also think he's been dishonest in keeping telepathy back-hand, a kind of sleight of hand trick to the world, a statement, perhaps. Beware of this, please! And I can only recommend the thoroughest evaluation of his research, including definite knowledge of the underlying data and all else!!!

[Edit:] I also like to add that I suspect that USA has been going at this for 150 years or so and enabling this special view to the rest of the world, setting up a kind of political science of control! The rest is for you to discover! [End of edit.]

[Edit2:] In an old writing from 2004 (the old forum), I've connected projecting faculties of the mind with reports I've read on the amagdyla and it's role in this. You may want to add this to your inquiry! The amagdyla from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala! I'll try to locate it even! [End of edit.]

Good? Cheers!

[Edit, 30.04.2011:] I've added a small note on "highest". [End of edit.]