A clerical doctrine such as Christianity has no model

[Gary Childress]

For what it's worth, I wish you well in your pursuit of Islam.

I use Islam a lot to slag off fake western morality. I find it very useful for that purpose. It is a fantastic tool for the purpose of criticizing and denouncing western bullshit.

Islam is indeed also supposed to be a goal and not just an instrument. I probably do not spend enough time on that. I probably should. It certainly has benefits to do that but unfortunately it does not bring me the same level of satisfaction.

What brings me the most satisfaction, is to point out that the western take on what is right and what is wrong behavior, is complete bullshit. Islam is mostly an example to provide evidence that it can actually be done correctly. Morality does not need to be just a pile of shit.

What is "fake western morality"?

[godelian]

What is "fake western morality"?

As I have argued, neither Christianity not atheism have a moral theory that is closed under logical consequence. So, these things are fake theories. As I have pointed out, they easily lend themselves to bullshit. Therefore, they are bullshit.

[Gary Childress]

What is "fake western morality"?

As I have argued, neither Christianity not atheism have a moral theory that is closed under logical consequence. So, these things are fake theories. As I have pointed out, they easily lend themselves to bullshit. Therefore, they are bullshit.

Fair enough. Your take, not mine.

[godelian]

What is "fake western morality"?

As I have argued, neither Christianity not atheism have a moral theory that is closed under logical consequence. So, these things are fake theories. As I have pointed out, they easily lend themselves to bullshit. Therefore, they are bullshit.

Fair enough. Your take, not mine.

Yes. I believe that there needs to be something "difficult" about a system. Not every word salad should be true. There needs to be something "hard" about reaching conclusions in it. Otherwise, it will gradually accumulate more and more bullshit. My take is that western morality is now so incredibly burdened with nonsense that it has become unusable for any practical purpose.

MOSCOW, September 30, 2022. Russian President Vladimir Putin said the West was "satanic" and rejected "moral norms" in a combative speech delivered from the Kremlin on Friday.

So, it is not just my take. I think that lots of people are now coming to the same conclusion.

You can generally not trust western people for their moral judgment because their morality is now deeply mired in complete bullshit.

[Gary Childress]

As I have argued, neither Christianity not atheism have a moral theory that is closed under logical consequence. So, these things are fake theories. As I have pointed out, they easily lend themselves to bullshit. Therefore, they are bullshit.

Fair enough. Your take, not mine.

Yes. I believe that there needs to be something "difficult" about a system. Not every word salad should be true. There needs to be something "hard" about reaching conclusions in it. Otherwise, it will gradually accumulate more and more bullshit. My take is that western morality is now so incredibly burdened with nonsense that it has become unusable for any practical purpose.

MOSCOW, September 30, 2022. Russian President Vladimir Putin said the West was "satanic" and rejected "moral norms" in a combative speech delivered from the Kremlin on Friday.

So, it is not just my take. I think that lots of people are now coming to the same conclusion.

You can generally not trust western people for their moral judgment because their morality is now deeply mired in complete bullshit.

I suppose we could apologize for living. Would that help any?

[Belinda]

Fair enough. Your take, not mine.

Yes. I believe that there needs to be something "difficult" about a system. Not every word salad should be true. There needs to be something "hard" about reaching conclusions in it. Otherwise, it will gradually accumulate more and more bullshit. My take is that western morality is now so incredibly burdened with nonsense that it has become unusable for any practical purpose.

MOSCOW, September 30, 2022. Russian President Vladimir Putin said the West was "satanic" and rejected "moral norms" in a combative speech delivered from the Kremlin on Friday.

So, it is not just my take. I think that lots of people are now coming to the same conclusion.

You can generally not trust western people for their moral judgment because their morality is now deeply mired in complete bullshit.

I suppose we could apologize for living. Would that help any?

Yes, it would help a little but don't overdo it. If you have an apologetic attitude vis a vis living you may try to live a little more frugally. If you already live a reasonably frugal life then you already are doing something good.

It's a condition of human life to be conscious of the pathos of being a human animal that wants to be good and is prevented from being good because of its nature.
Some living systems are less destructive than the human species; however there is no Garden of Eden where entropy never happens.

[Gary Childress]

Yes. I believe that there needs to be something "difficult" about a system. Not every word salad should be true. There needs to be something "hard" about reaching conclusions in it. Otherwise, it will gradually accumulate more and more bullshit. My take is that western morality is now so incredibly burdened with nonsense that it has become unusable for any practical purpose.



So, it is not just my take. I think that lots of people are now coming to the same conclusion.

You can generally not trust western people for their moral judgment because their morality is now deeply mired in complete bullshit.

I suppose we could apologize for living. Would that help any?

Yes, it would help a little but don't overdo it. If you have an apologetic attitude vis a vis living you may try to live a little more frugally. If you already live a reasonably frugal life then you already are doing something good.

Sorry. I was being facetious with the guy who thinks my morality is "bullshit".