Meaning of 'Islam'?

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It is so easily to provoke another. I could say something nasty about your near kin and you will definitely be provoked. I will not be responding unless you provide something of substance that is not provocative.

There is nothing you could say about anyone to me that would provoke me, in the way you think that it would. Once again you obviously completely misunderstood what I am talking about. You can not yet see that I am USING you because I KNOW you will write particular things, so that I can prove how SOME people are so utterly stupid because they look from and express only from their distorted and strongly held beliefs.

I have provided things of substance;
That is you are unwilling and/or incapable of providing any evidence whatsoever that the ideology of islam is evil.
I have already explained that it is possible to kill one's enemies without harming, hurting, nor injuring any part of the human body.
You have absolutely NO understanding of what this could possible mean. That is because;
You only look for things that fit in with your distorted views and beliefs.
You only see and understand things that fit in with your distorted views and beliefs.
You are unable to see the truth of things because of your distorted views and beliefs.

Your beliefs have completely prevented you from having any intelligence whatsoever.

Intelligence??
What you have done is blabbering your secret/cryptic thoughts that you clung tightly to but provided no reasonable arguments at all. Don't forget this is a Philosophy Forum where the norms is a discussion/debate/countering of propositions and arguments.
Yours is like a tennis game where you merely swing the racket but not hitting the ball in return.

You avoided to counter my views appropriately.

I COUNTERED your views, appropriately AND Accurately and Correctly. Which you, OBVIOUSLY, are NOT CAPABLE of RESPONDING TO.

You have also avoided the critical questions I raised.

What supposed 'critical questions', where were 'they', and how many was there, exactly?

I have already explained that it is possible to kill one's enemies without harming, hurting, nor injuring any part of the human body.

What do you keep harping on this kindergarten stuff?

LOL 'kindergarten stuff'. you are SO BLIND and STUPID, here, you do NOT even possess the ABILITY TO JUST SEEK OUT CLARIFICATION, and CLARITY.

you are ABSOLUTELY INCAPABLE of COUNTERING and ARGUING AGAINST what I have POINTED OUT, SHOWN, and REVEALED in regards to your REFUTABLE CLAIMS, here.

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There is nothing you could say about anyone to me that would provoke me, in the way you think that it would. Once again you obviously completely misunderstood what I am talking about. You can not yet see that I am USING you because I KNOW you will write particular things, so that I can prove how SOME people are so utterly stupid because they look from and express only from their distorted and strongly held beliefs.

I have provided things of substance;
That is you are unwilling and/or incapable of providing any evidence whatsoever that the ideology of islam is evil.
I have already explained that it is possible to kill one's enemies without harming, hurting, nor injuring any part of the human body.
You have absolutely NO understanding of what this could possible mean. That is because;
You only look for things that fit in with your distorted views and beliefs.
You only see and understand things that fit in with your distorted views and beliefs.
You are unable to see the truth of things because of your distorted views and beliefs.

Your beliefs have completely prevented you from having any intelligence whatsoever.

Intelligence??
What you have done is blabbering your secret/cryptic thoughts that you clung tightly to but provided no reasonable arguments at all. Don't forget this is a Philosophy Forum where the norms is a discussion/debate/countering of propositions and arguments.
Yours is like a tennis game where you merely swing the racket but not hitting the ball in return.

You avoided to counter my views appropriately.

I COUNTERED your views, appropriately AND Accurately and Correctly. Which you, OBVIOUSLY, are NOT CAPABLE of RESPONDING TO.

You have also avoided the critical questions I raised.

What supposed 'critical questions', where were 'they', and how many was there, exactly?

I have already explained that it is possible to kill one's enemies without harming, hurting, nor injuring any part of the human body.

What do you keep harping on this kindergarten stuff?

LOL 'kindergarten stuff'. you are SO BLIND and STUPID, here, you do NOT even possess the ABILITY TO JUST SEEK OUT CLARIFICATION, and CLARITY.

you are ABSOLUTELY INCAPABLE of COUNTERING and ARGUING AGAINST what I have POINTED OUT, SHOWN, and REVEALED in regards to your REFUTABLE CLAIMS, here.

[accelafine]

There is nothing you could say about anyone to me that would provoke me, in the way you think that it would. Once again you obviously completely misunderstood what I am talking about. You can not yet see that I am USING you because I KNOW you will write particular things, so that I can prove how SOME people are so utterly stupid because they look from and express only from their distorted and strongly held beliefs.

I have provided things of substance;
That is you are unwilling and/or incapable of providing any evidence whatsoever that the ideology of islam is evil.
I have already explained that it is possible to kill one's enemies without harming, hurting, nor injuring any part of the human body.
You have absolutely NO understanding of what this could possible mean. That is because;
You only look for things that fit in with your distorted views and beliefs.
You only see and understand things that fit in with your distorted views and beliefs.
You are unable to see the truth of things because of your distorted views and beliefs.

Your beliefs have completely prevented you from having any intelligence whatsoever.

Intelligence??
What you have done is blabbering your secret/cryptic thoughts that you clung tightly to but provided no reasonable arguments at all. Don't forget this is a Philosophy Forum where the norms is a discussion/debate/countering of propositions and arguments.
Yours is like a tennis game where you merely swing the racket but not hitting the ball in return.

You avoided to counter my views appropriately.

I COUNTERED your views, appropriately AND Accurately and Correctly. Which you, OBVIOUSLY, are NOT CAPABLE of RESPONDING TO.

You have also avoided the critical questions I raised.

What supposed 'critical questions', where were 'they', and how many was there, exactly?

I have already explained that it is possible to kill one's enemies without harming, hurting, nor injuring any part of the human body.

What do you keep harping on this kindergarten stuff?

LOL 'kindergarten stuff'. you are SO BLIND and STUPID, here, you do NOT even possess the ABILITY TO JUST SEEK OUT CLARIFICATION, and CLARITY.

you are ABSOLUTELY INCAPABLE of COUNTERING and ARGUING AGAINST what I have POINTED OUT, SHOWN, and REVEALED in regards to your REFUTABLE CLAIMS, here.

[accelafine]

There is nothing you could say about anyone to me that would provoke me, in the way you think that it would. Once again you obviously completely misunderstood what I am talking about. You can not yet see that I am USING you because I KNOW you will write particular things, so that I can prove how SOME people are so utterly stupid because they look from and express only from their distorted and strongly held beliefs.

I have provided things of substance;
That is you are unwilling and/or incapable of providing any evidence whatsoever that the ideology of islam is evil.
I have already explained that it is possible to kill one's enemies without harming, hurting, nor injuring any part of the human body.
You have absolutely NO understanding of what this could possible mean. That is because;
You only look for things that fit in with your distorted views and beliefs.
You only see and understand things that fit in with your distorted views and beliefs.
You are unable to see the truth of things because of your distorted views and beliefs.

Your beliefs have completely prevented you from having any intelligence whatsoever.

Intelligence??
What you have done is blabbering your secret/cryptic thoughts that you clung tightly to but provided no reasonable arguments at all. Don't forget this is a Philosophy Forum where the norms is a discussion/debate/countering of propositions and arguments.
Yours is like a tennis game where you merely swing the racket but not hitting the ball in return.

You avoided to counter my views appropriately.

I COUNTERED your views, appropriately AND Accurately and Correctly. Which you, OBVIOUSLY, are NOT CAPABLE of RESPONDING TO.

You have also avoided the critical questions I raised.

What supposed 'critical questions', where were 'they', and how many was there, exactly?

I have already explained that it is possible to kill one's enemies without harming, hurting, nor injuring any part of the human body.

What do you keep harping on this kindergarten stuff?

LOL 'kindergarten stuff'. you are SO BLIND and STUPID, here, you do NOT even possess the ABILITY TO JUST SEEK OUT CLARIFICATION, and CLARITY.

you are ABSOLUTELY INCAPABLE of COUNTERING and ARGUING AGAINST what I have POINTED OUT, SHOWN, and REVEALED in regards to your REFUTABLE CLAIMS, here.

[accelafine]

WHICH God do you believe you can prove is an impossibility?

Any entity that conform to the generic definition of 'what is God.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

When are you going to do it?

Luckily for you, you exist in a time wikipedia exists so that you can get a so called "generic" definition of what God is. Otherwise if you existed without wikipedia, then you would have another "generic" definition of what God is to use.

For you, hopefully, you can prove God is an impossibility, to everyone, BEFORE some one else proves what God actually is, because that might not fit in with your generic definition of what God is, and then you would not be able to prove what you believe you can.

By the way one sentence in the definition you use for what is God, is, "God has been conceived as either personal or impersonal." I am just wondering how you could possibly prove to someone that God is an impossibility, who has, personally, conceived a God.

[accelafine]

There is nothing you could say about anyone to me that would provoke me, in the way you think that it would. Once again you obviously completely misunderstood what I am talking about. You can not yet see that I am USING you because I KNOW you will write particular things, so that I can prove how SOME people are so utterly stupid because they look from and express only from their distorted and strongly held beliefs.

I have provided things of substance;
That is you are unwilling and/or incapable of providing any evidence whatsoever that the ideology of islam is evil.
I have already explained that it is possible to kill one's enemies without harming, hurting, nor injuring any part of the human body.
You have absolutely NO understanding of what this could possible mean. That is because;
You only look for things that fit in with your distorted views and beliefs.
You only see and understand things that fit in with your distorted views and beliefs.
You are unable to see the truth of things because of your distorted views and beliefs.

Your beliefs have completely prevented you from having any intelligence whatsoever.

Intelligence??
What you have done is blabbering your secret/cryptic thoughts that you clung tightly to but provided no reasonable arguments at all. Don't forget this is a Philosophy Forum where the norms is a discussion/debate/countering of propositions and arguments.
Yours is like a tennis game where you merely swing the racket but not hitting the ball in return.

You avoided to counter my views appropriately.

I COUNTERED your views, appropriately AND Accurately and Correctly. Which you, OBVIOUSLY, are NOT CAPABLE of RESPONDING TO.

You have also avoided the critical questions I raised.

What supposed 'critical questions', where were 'they', and how many was there, exactly?

I have already explained that it is possible to kill one's enemies without harming, hurting, nor injuring any part of the human body.

What do you keep harping on this kindergarten stuff?

LOL 'kindergarten stuff'. you are SO BLIND and STUPID, here, you do NOT even possess the ABILITY TO JUST SEEK OUT CLARIFICATION, and CLARITY.

you are ABSOLUTELY INCAPABLE of COUNTERING and ARGUING AGAINST what I have POINTED OUT, SHOWN, and REVEALED in regards to your REFUTABLE CLAIMS, here.

[accelafine]

Islam and Judaism are identical theologically.

same dogma, same God.

deal with it.

True as far as the evil elements are concern and there are similarity in the doctrines but there are significant differences as well.

It is claimed the quantum of evil elements in the Torah is worst than the Quran but there is a difference as judged by the terrible evil and violent acts committed by evil prone Muslims and Jews throughout history.

Somehow the Torah do not have a very strong stranglehold on the Jews in comparison to the the Quran have a total stranglehold on the Muslims especially the evil prone Muslims.

I have stated there should not be any evil elements in any religious texts especially theistic religions where God imposes on all believers.

There are NONE. You are just seeing evil elements where there are NONE.

I will say this again, write down here one of those supposed evil element in any religious text, explain to us how you see it as being evil, then we can at least look at it and then discuss.

By definition any thing to do with a God does NOT have evil intent towards ANY ONE.

Re the Torah, one reason I have read is the evil elements [not to be condoned] in the Torah as related to stories to convey some messages but they are not commands of God that is obligatory that Jews must comply with.
On the other hand the most of evil elements in the Quran are sanctioned by Allah as obligatory commands which others influence the believers. Note this command,

2:216. Warfare [l-qitālu] is ordained [kutiba: prescribed] for you [Muslims], though it is hateful unto you [Muslims]; but it may happen that ye [Muslims] hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.

"l-qitālu" is translated as 'warfare' but the Arabic meaning is imbued with an element of aggression.

The other reason why the evil elements in the Torah [need to be condemned] are the lesser evil in comparison to Islam's is Judaism do not have the mission to proselytize its religion thus a lesser potential and widespread of its evil elements.

Btw, I have stated many times, ALL evil acts and potential must be addressed in the long run and reduced to the minimal but there is need to prioritize due to limited resources at present.

Sounds like you are trying your best to justify your own evil actions, but obviously it is NOT working because I, for one, can see straight through your attempts.

[accelafine]

You are so blinded by the distorted beliefs that your have already gained that you can not even see the truth in what I write.

If you keep having those APE beliefs, then you will keep having those totally distorted human views of truth and reality.

Note I put 'Anon' to represent a general misconception [which is very common] not specific to you.

Who cares?

Show what the alleged and supposed general misconception is meant to be.

Show what I have presented above is distorted and is different from what is in the Quran, i.e. which the words direct from God.

Once again you say "i.e. which the words direct from God", yet, you also believe that there is no possibility of a God. How can there be words from a thing that you, yourself say, does not even exist? Either God exists, and says words, or God does NOT exist, which one is it going to be, from your perception? You can not keep saying both, as they both are right, without looking very stupid.

What is distorted are your countless beliefs and views. But what is distorted in what you presented above is;
1. The word 'islam' does not have an actually meaning. Like all words in existence the meaning behind then comes from a personal interpretation.
2. That the ideology of islam IS inherently evil. You actually believe that if any other human being does not agree with your interpretation of 'islam', then those people are ignorant or are intending to deceive.
3. I said, "I have heard ..." And you say that that is wrong. How can it be wrong? I only stated what I have heard. I NEVER stated anywhere that it is right (or wrong). Your own beliefs blind you to this very fact, even though I pointed that out to you already. You still are under the spell of your own distorted beliefs and views, which are misguiding you further and further away from truth and reality.
4. I also looked up the word 'islam' and the one reference, of countless references in the world, that i looked at roughly said that the word 'islam', which comes from or is related to 'salam', which means peace.
5. Your conclusion that "Thus 'muslim' do not literally, means follower of peace" does NOT in any way, shape, nor form, follower on from the premise that 'islam' does not literally mean peace.
6. Your next line, however, is written perfectly correct when you wrote "as I have read it". Now this is about the only solitary bit of truth, I see in your writings.
7. The rest of what you wrote, which you got from a copy and paste wikipedia post, infers that the word 'islam' is a derivative from S-L-M and roughly related to 'salam', which generally means peace. Yet you STILL insist that the ideology of islam is inherently evil. Did you notice that all the words you used as a range of meanings are peaceful or tenderly like words. I can NOT see one word in there that even has a slight towards away gentle and loving and towards bad and evil. You insistant perception that islam is bad and evil is bases solely on your assumptions which are based solely on your past experiential upbringing, thus APE gained views.
8. A) OBVIOUSLY, the concept of 'peace' is in the positive mode. Is it even possible that 'peace' could even be looked at or seen in a negative mode?
B) OBVIOUSLY, the concept of 'peace', in the quran, is directed only at 'muslims', which are who the followers of peace are. If 'muslims' are the followers of peace, then that in itself defines 'non-muslims' as people not following peace.

Which leads back to my insistence that it is very quick, simple, and easy, to kill those who are not followers of peace without ever hurting, harming, nor obviously killing one single human being.

[accelafine]

Agreed, I am a bad communicator and I certainly do NOT fault you for not understanding my point.
I purposely write in a deceptively and manipulating way. I write NOT necessarily to point out and show you things. I write to point out, show, and prove things with and by the responses I get. YOUR words are MY evidence.

I am not going to waste my time if the above is your intention.
I suggest you discuss in a direct manner instead of beating around the bush.

I have discussed in a direct manner. You are, at the moment, just completely incapable of understanding it. You claim that the ideology of islam is evil intent because islam (supposedly) says to kill people who are non-believers. I, for example, in direct manner have said, "Killing a person is possible without in any way harming, injuring, nor damaging the human body". How much more direct do you want?

Now if you want to discuss this, then discuss. But if you just want to keep insisting that the quran is laden with evil intent and the ideology of islam is evil, then keep doing so. But without any evidence of or for this, then you are just wasting your energy.

The word 'islam' comes from or is very closely related to, or if not, meaning peace, and the word 'muslim' is very closely related to, or if not, meaning submitting to, surrendering to, or following 'Allah', which obviously the words of would be peace. God/Allah, by definition, is good for ALL things, not just some.

I have already questioned you about how can any thing so closely related to, or if not, meaning peace and good, itself, have any thing whatsoever to do with evil and bad. You have convinced yourself and you are now trying to convince others that the quran tells the followers of peace, that is muslims, to kill non-followers of peace, that is non-muslims, with the intent of hurting, injuring, or harming another human body. If you are so blinded by your distorted views that you can not see the contradiction and irony of this, then so be it. But just because you keep repeating what you believe is true, does not make it true. I have already explained that you are looking at and seeing things through already distorted and prejudiced views.

I will say again, just for you, it is very simple to kill a person without even touching a human body.

I must say most of your responses above are below par in terms of what is 'normal' discussion.

My point shown and proven, once again here with your words.

You have a view of what is 'normal', and thus any thing above, below, outside, or beyond your view of 'normal' would therefore be 'not normal', correct?

You actually believe that your views are true, right, and correct, and every thing else outside of this is false, wrong, and incorrect.

"YOUR words are MY evidence."

Regarding the evil laden verses in the Quran, you asked for one or as many as possible.
I have given you a list of the 'many' which is obviously better than one verse. Surely you have the normal intelligence and rationality to understand 'one' in this case is ineffective as a representation of the issue?

One or all is the same to me. I have been asking you to post just one, which means just pick one and write it down, so that we can at least look at that, and then discuss. Seeing as though you are incapable of doing so or you are not willing to, then I will. Once verse in the quran is:
27:76 Surely this Koran explains to the Children of Israel most of the issues upon which they disagree.
Certainly it is a guide and a mercy for those who believe. Surely your Lord will use His wisdom to judge
between them. He is the mighty and the all-knowing. So put your trust in Allah. Surely, you are on the path
to the plain truth.

Now where is the evil intent?

How is that laden with evil?

Remember you were NOT willing to post one so I had to. I just picked the first one i found out of YOUR given list. I would much prefer you pick one, or many, and post them here like I have, and then you tell us all what you actually see and read in that text. That way you can not suggest that I am picking and choosing the texts to look at.

Btw, I have asked you, show me how many verses of the Quran's 6236 verses are favorable to the outgroup unconditionally?

If I recall correctly you NEVER asked me to show you how many ... But what you did ask me was how many of them are ....? Which i replied to you was ALL OF THEM.

Btw, are you a Muslim.

When you are able to accurately define 'muslim', then I will answer your question.

Although to tell you the truth I already KNOW what the answer WILL BE.

Again, have you read the Quran and how intensively?

Do you mean have I read as much as you and as intensively as you believe you have, and, with the exact same prejudices and distorted views that you have? If that is what you mean, then the answer is a very strong NO.

But, the truth is, I do NOT need to read what you have to already be able to see and KNOW the depth of distortion and prejudices in the way you look at and see things. You have already proven this fact.

"YOUR words are MY evidence."

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