Vision & Mission -Perpetual Peace

[Eodnhoj7]

The point there is the Buddhist raft is more secured than your rickety raft that would break up in pieces upon the slightest storm.

Buddhist teaching claims all things are relative, thus true under some circumstances and false under others, the noble path is a thing.

The ultimate is whether Buddhism's 4NT and 8FP can continually strive towards Perpetual Peace via the cultivation of improving the well-being and flourishing of the individual[s] and the species.
Whatever thing it is, yes, it can effectively do so as a potential in the future.

Buddhism says all things pass in this world...that includes peace as that is an experience and experience is a thing.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Buddhist teaching claims all things are relative, thus true under some circumstances and false under others, the noble path is a thing.

The ultimate is whether Buddhism's 4NT and 8FP can continually strive towards Perpetual Peace via the cultivation of improving the well-being and flourishing of the individual[s] and the species.
Whatever thing it is, yes, it can effectively do so as a potential in the future.

Buddhism says all things pass in this world...that includes peace as that is an experience and experience is a thing.

Are you suggesting we should not strive towards the ideal perpetual peace?

We are striving towards the ideal perpetual peace not clinging to perpetual peace as a real thing, but effectively along the way, there will be a continual state of equanimity and managed sufferings.

[FlashDangerpants]

I notice many members do not align their post on philosophy to the above Vision & Mission as in the OP.
Their [especially FDP] motive is getting pleasure for their 'wack-a-mole' sadistic and violent game.

Whatever I present here philosophically is aligned and in striving to achieve the above vision & mission progressively [where possible] toward the future.

Just write better arguments you hopeless pisspot.

[Eodnhoj7]

The ultimate is whether Buddhism's 4NT and 8FP can continually strive towards Perpetual Peace via the cultivation of improving the well-being and flourishing of the individual[s] and the species.
Whatever thing it is, yes, it can effectively do so as a potential in the future.

Buddhism says all things pass in this world...that includes peace as that is an experience and experience is a thing.

Are you suggesting we should not strive towards the ideal perpetual peace?

We are striving towards the ideal perpetual peace not clinging to perpetual peace as a real thing, but effectively along the way, there will be a continual state of equanimity and managed sufferings.

Your striving for peace is why there is none. Your ideals are your creation of ego for they purely belong to you as a means of control over a reality as you think it should be. Grasped peace does not exist for long as all grasped things slip through the fingers like water. Your ideals are but a dam in a river that will first overflow and then break it. Your version of peace is just ego.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Buddhism says all things pass in this world...that includes peace as that is an experience and experience is a thing.

Are you suggesting we should not strive towards the ideal perpetual peace?

We are striving towards the ideal perpetual peace not clinging to perpetual peace as a real thing, but effectively along the way, there will be a continual state of equanimity and managed sufferings.

Your striving for peace is why there is none. Your ideals are your creation of ego for they purely belong to you as a means of control over a reality as you think it should be. Grasped peace does not exist for long as all grasped things slip through the fingers like water. Your ideals are but a dam in a river that will first overflow and then break it. Your version of peace is just ego.

You seem to be lost in dreamland.

What is perpetual peace as an ideal can be quantified as ZERO wars, ZERO violence and ZERO evil [as defined, genocides, rape, torture, etc.].

The above ideal is a guide in the right direction of reality and in practice which can be verified empirically.
The positive reducing trend is reflected in this;

The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined is a 2011 book by Steven Pinker, in which the author argues that violence in the world has declined both in the long run and in the short run and suggests explanations as to why this has occurred.[1] The book uses data documenting declining violence across time and geography. This paints a picture of massive declines in the violence of all forms, from war, to improved treatment of children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bette ... Our_Nature

The striving is for more expeditious speed of the above trend.

You don't agree with the above?

[Eodnhoj7]

Are you suggesting we should not strive towards the ideal perpetual peace?

We are striving towards the ideal perpetual peace not clinging to perpetual peace as a real thing, but effectively along the way, there will be a continual state of equanimity and managed sufferings.

Your striving for peace is why there is none. Your ideals are your creation of ego for they purely belong to you as a means of control over a reality as you think it should be. Grasped peace does not exist for long as all grasped things slip through the fingers like water. Your ideals are but a dam in a river that will first overflow and then break it. Your version of peace is just ego.

You seem to be lost in dreamland.

What is perpetual peace as an ideal can be quantified as ZERO wars, ZERO violence and ZERO evil [as defined, genocides, rape, torture, etc.].

The above ideal is a guide in the right direction of reality and in practice which can be verified empirically.
The positive reducing trend is reflected in this;

The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined is a 2011 book by Steven Pinker, in which the author argues that violence in the world has declined both in the long run and in the short run and suggests explanations as to why this has occurred.[1] The book uses data documenting declining violence across time and geography. This paints a picture of massive declines in the violence of all forms, from war, to improved treatment of children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bette ... Our_Nature

The striving is for more expeditious speed of the above trend.

You don't agree with the above?

Dreamland? You have no evidence perpetual peace has ever existed. The reason why it never existed is because everyone tries forcing their own version of paradise into reality and the pursuit of paradise is the root of all conflict.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Your striving for peace is why there is none. Your ideals are your creation of ego for they purely belong to you as a means of control over a reality as you think it should be. Grasped peace does not exist for long as all grasped things slip through the fingers like water. Your ideals are but a dam in a river that will first overflow and then break it. Your version of peace is just ego.

You seem to be lost in dreamland.

What is perpetual peace as an ideal can be quantified as ZERO wars, ZERO violence and ZERO evil [as defined, genocides, rape, torture, etc.].

The above ideal is a guide in the right direction of reality and in practice which can be verified empirically.
The positive reducing trend is reflected in this;

The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined is a 2011 book by Steven Pinker, in which the author argues that violence in the world has declined both in the long run and in the short run and suggests explanations as to why this has occurred.[1] The book uses data documenting declining violence across time and geography. This paints a picture of massive declines in the violence of all forms, from war, to improved treatment of children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bette ... Our_Nature

The striving is for more expeditious speed of the above trend.

You don't agree with the above?

Dreamland? You have no evidence perpetual peace has ever existed. The reason why it never existed is because everyone tries forcing their own version of paradise into reality and the pursuit of paradise is the root of all conflict.

Missed my point?

I stated very clearly:

• "What is perpetual peace as an ideal can be quantified as ZERO wars, ZERO violence and ZERO evil [as defined, genocides, rape, torture, etc.].
  The above ideal is a guide in the right direction of reality and in practice* which can be verified empirically."

* not the ideal but what is being done in practice.

Ideals are abstracts that are impossible to exist as real.
They can be used as targets to drive improvements from the existing status and the improvement thereon can be verified and quantified.

For example, in the case of US immigration,
I presume Trump would have in mind to achieve ZERO illegal immigrations.
But in practice any rational person will accept the ZERO target as an ideal is impossible to achieve.
But the fact that there is a target to aim for, that set a gap between the real illegal immigrant, say 1 million.
Therefore one will find strategies to reduce the 1 million progressively toward the ideal target [impossible to achieve].

What is so contentious with that?
It is rational for any government or authority to set ideal targets such as ZERO, murder, rapes, genocides, inflation and other ideals which has reasonable possibilities to be reduced.

In Biden's case, he did not set any target to reduce illegal immigration but just have an open door policy and let anyone who wish to, go in.

[Eodnhoj7]

You seem to be lost in dreamland.

What is perpetual peace as an ideal can be quantified as ZERO wars, ZERO violence and ZERO evil [as defined, genocides, rape, torture, etc.].

The above ideal is a guide in the right direction of reality and in practice which can be verified empirically.
The positive reducing trend is reflected in this;



The striving is for more expeditious speed of the above trend.

You don't agree with the above?

Dreamland? You have no evidence perpetual peace has ever existed. The reason why it never existed is because everyone tries forcing their own version of paradise into reality and the pursuit of paradise is the root of all conflict.

Missed my point?

I stated very clearly:

• "What is perpetual peace as an ideal can be quantified as ZERO wars, ZERO violence and ZERO evil [as defined, genocides, rape, torture, etc.].
  The above ideal is a guide in the right direction of reality and in practice* which can be verified empirically."

* not the ideal but what is being done in practice.

Ideals are abstracts that are impossible to exist as real.
They can be used as targets to drive improvements from the existing status and the improvement thereon can be verified and quantified.

For example, in the case of US immigration,
I presume Trump would have in mind to achieve ZERO illegal immigrations.
But in practice any rational person will accept the ZERO target as an ideal is impossible to achieve.
But the fact that there is a target to aim for, that set a gap between the real illegal immigrant, say 1 million.
Therefore one will find strategies to reduce the 1 million progressively toward the ideal target [impossible to achieve].

What is so contentious with that?
It is rational for any government or authority to set ideal targets such as ZERO, murder, rapes, genocides, inflation and other ideals which has reasonable possibilities to be reduced.

In Biden's case, he did not set any target to reduce illegal immigration but just have an open door policy and let anyone who wish to, go in.

So basically if "ideals are abstracts that are impossible to exist as real" and you are working towards an ideal peace...then you are delusional as your goal is not real.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Dreamland? You have no evidence perpetual peace has ever existed. The reason why it never existed is because everyone tries forcing their own version of paradise into reality and the pursuit of paradise is the root of all conflict.

Missed my point?

I stated very clearly:

• "What is perpetual peace as an ideal can be quantified as ZERO wars, ZERO violence and ZERO evil [as defined, genocides, rape, torture, etc.].
  The above ideal is a guide in the right direction of reality and in practice* which can be verified empirically."

* not the ideal but what is being done in practice.

Ideals are abstracts that are impossible to exist as real.
They can be used as targets to drive improvements from the existing status and the improvement thereon can be verified and quantified.

For example, in the case of US immigration,
I presume Trump would have in mind to achieve ZERO illegal immigrations.
But in practice any rational person will accept the ZERO target as an ideal is impossible to achieve.
But the fact that there is a target to aim for, that set a gap between the real illegal immigrant, say 1 million.
Therefore one will find strategies to reduce the 1 million progressively toward the ideal target [impossible to achieve].

What is so contentious with that?
It is rational for any government or authority to set ideal targets such as ZERO, murder, rapes, genocides, inflation and other ideals which has reasonable possibilities to be reduced.

In Biden's case, he did not set any target to reduce illegal immigration but just have an open door policy and let anyone who wish to, go in.

So basically if "ideals are abstracts that are impossible to exist as real" and you are working towards an ideal peace...then you are delusional as your goal is not real.

Here is an AI assisted response:

Your argument mistakenly assumes that working toward an ideal requires the ideal to be fully realizable in an absolute sense. However, this is a misunderstanding of how regulative ideas function.

In philosophy, particularly in Kantian thought, regulative ideas serve as guiding principles that direct continuous improvement, even if they cannot be fully realized in an absolute sense. For example, 'Zero Defects' in quality management or 'Perfect Justice' in legal systems are unattainable in absolute terms, but striving toward them leads to continuous improvement and progress.

Similarly, the ideal of Perpetual Peace does not mean expecting an absolute, unchanging state of peace, but rather serves as a regulative goal that informs policies, ethical considerations, and long-term strategies aimed at reducing conflict and fostering stability.

By your logic, pursuing justice, knowledge, or even scientific progress would also be "delusional" since complete, final perfection in these areas is unattainable. Yet, history shows that progress is made precisely because we are guided by ideals, not despite them.

Thus, striving toward Perpetual Peace is not delusional—it is a rational and practical way to guide moral and social development over time.

Btw, have you studied Economics as a subject?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_competition

Suggest you discuss with AI on the above.

[Age]

What "veritas aequitas" is saying and doing, here in this forum, is a HUGE REASON WHY 'perpetual peace' had STILL NOT YET BEGUN, back when this was being written.

[Eodnhoj7]

Missed my point?

I stated very clearly:

• "What is perpetual peace as an ideal can be quantified as ZERO wars, ZERO violence and ZERO evil [as defined, genocides, rape, torture, etc.].
  The above ideal is a guide in the right direction of reality and in practice* which can be verified empirically."

* not the ideal but what is being done in practice.

Ideals are abstracts that are impossible to exist as real.
They can be used as targets to drive improvements from the existing status and the improvement thereon can be verified and quantified.

For example, in the case of US immigration,
I presume Trump would have in mind to achieve ZERO illegal immigrations.
But in practice any rational person will accept the ZERO target as an ideal is impossible to achieve.
But the fact that there is a target to aim for, that set a gap between the real illegal immigrant, say 1 million.
Therefore one will find strategies to reduce the 1 million progressively toward the ideal target [impossible to achieve].

What is so contentious with that?
It is rational for any government or authority to set ideal targets such as ZERO, murder, rapes, genocides, inflation and other ideals which has reasonable possibilities to be reduced.

In Biden's case, he did not set any target to reduce illegal immigration but just have an open door policy and let anyone who wish to, go in.

So basically if "ideals are abstracts that are impossible to exist as real" and you are working towards an ideal peace...then you are delusional as your goal is not real.

Here is an AI assisted response:

Your argument mistakenly assumes that working toward an ideal requires the ideal to be fully realizable in an absolute sense. However, this is a misunderstanding of how regulative ideas function.

In philosophy, particularly in Kantian thought, regulative ideas serve as guiding principles that direct continuous improvement, even if they cannot be fully realized in an absolute sense. For example, 'Zero Defects' in quality management or 'Perfect Justice' in legal systems are unattainable in absolute terms, but striving toward them leads to continuous improvement and progress.

Similarly, the ideal of Perpetual Peace does not mean expecting an absolute, unchanging state of peace, but rather serves as a regulative goal that informs policies, ethical considerations, and long-term strategies aimed at reducing conflict and fostering stability.

By your logic, pursuing justice, knowledge, or even scientific progress would also be "delusional" since complete, final perfection in these areas is unattainable. Yet, history shows that progress is made precisely because we are guided by ideals, not despite them.

Thus, striving toward Perpetual Peace is not delusional—it is a rational and practical way to guide moral and social development over time.

Btw, have you studied Economics as a subject?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_competition

Suggest you discuss with AI on the above.

The fault is on you as you proposed absolute peace, ie perpetual, and I ran off of that premise.

Continuous improvement nullifies perpetual peace as what can always be improved is never good enough nor complete.

A delusion is marked by incompleteness, not progress.

Natural change occurs and no ideal is necessary for that.

[Veritas Aequitas]

So basically if "ideals are abstracts that are impossible to exist as real" and you are working towards an ideal peace...then you are delusional as your goal is not real.

Here is an AI assisted response:

Your argument mistakenly assumes that working toward an ideal requires the ideal to be fully realizable in an absolute sense. However, this is a misunderstanding of how regulative ideas function.

In philosophy, particularly in Kantian thought, regulative ideas serve as guiding principles that direct continuous improvement, even if they cannot be fully realized in an absolute sense. For example, 'Zero Defects' in quality management or 'Perfect Justice' in legal systems are unattainable in absolute terms, but striving toward them leads to continuous improvement and progress.

Similarly, the ideal of Perpetual Peace does not mean expecting an absolute, unchanging state of peace, but rather serves as a regulative goal that informs policies, ethical considerations, and long-term strategies aimed at reducing conflict and fostering stability.

By your logic, pursuing justice, knowledge, or even scientific progress would also be "delusional" since complete, final perfection in these areas is unattainable. Yet, history shows that progress is made precisely because we are guided by ideals, not despite them.

Thus, striving toward Perpetual Peace is not delusional—it is a rational and practical way to guide moral and social development over time.

Btw, have you studied Economics as a subject?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_competition

Suggest you discuss with AI on the above.

The fault is on you as you proposed absolute peace, ie perpetual, and I ran off of that premise.

You were too hasty.
I stated perpetual peace as an ideal to be used as a guide.

Continuous improvement nullifies perpetual peace as what can always be improved is never good enough nor complete.

A delusion is marked by incompleteness, not progress.

Natural change occurs and no ideal is necessary for that.

Something is wrong with your comprehension.

What is critical is the continuous improvements in a positive trend not the perpetual peace which is the driving force of those improvements.
If there is no ideal guide, then there is likely to be stagnancy.

Natural change occurs and no ideal is necessary for that.

There is an inherent natural change for positivity 'programmed' in all humans.
However, in the light of growing threats, globally and galatically, we need to activate that inherent function with greater efficient planning to expedite improvements.

If you failed to plan, you've planned to fail.
Fixing the ideal is an effective process in efficient planning.
If the gap is too large then establish nearer goals with the ideal in mind.

[Eodnhoj7]

Here is an AI assisted response:



Btw, have you studied Economics as a subject?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_competition

Suggest you discuss with AI on the above.

The fault is on you as you proposed absolute peace, ie perpetual, and I ran off of that premise.

You were too hasty.
I stated perpetual peace as an ideal to be used as a guide.

Continuous improvement nullifies perpetual peace as what can always be improved is never good enough nor complete.

A delusion is marked by incompleteness, not progress.

Natural change occurs and no ideal is necessary for that.

Something is wrong with your comprehension.

What is critical is the continuous improvements in a positive trend not the perpetual peace which is the driving force of those improvements.
If there is no ideal guide, then there is likely to be stagnancy.

Natural change occurs and no ideal is necessary for that.

There is an inherent natural change for positivity 'programmed' in all humans.
However, in the light of growing threats, globally and galatically, we need to activate that inherent function with greater efficient planning to expedite improvements.

If you failed to plan, you've planned to fail.
Fixing the ideal is an effective process in efficient planning.
If the gap is too large then establish nearer goals with the ideal in mind.

Progress is the absence of peace as it is discontentment.

The schemes of man is why there is no peace for schemes are the grasping for control. Man trying to make the world a paradise is why it is in conflict.

[Veritas Aequitas]

The fault is on you as you proposed absolute peace, ie perpetual, and I ran off of that premise.

You were too hasty.
I stated perpetual peace as an ideal to be used as a guide.

Continuous improvement nullifies perpetual peace as what can always be improved is never good enough nor complete.

A delusion is marked by incompleteness, not progress.

Natural change occurs and no ideal is necessary for that.

Something is wrong with your comprehension.

What is critical is the continuous improvements in a positive trend not the perpetual peace which is the driving force of those improvements.
If there is no ideal guide, then there is likely to be stagnancy.

Natural change occurs and no ideal is necessary for that.

There is an inherent natural change for positivity 'programmed' in all humans.
However, in the light of growing threats, globally and galatically, we need to activate that inherent function with greater efficient planning to expedite improvements.

If you failed to plan, you've planned to fail.
Fixing the ideal is an effective process in efficient planning.
If the gap is too large then establish nearer goals with the ideal in mind.

Progress is the absence of peace as it is discontentment.

The schemes of man is why there is no peace for schemes are the grasping for control. Man trying to make the world a paradise is why it is in conflict.

You seem to want to counter for countering sake but is so blind to reality.

Yours is a strawman.
I reminded you that the idea of perpetual peace is a guide and a tool to motivate progress towards greater peace.
I did not imply man is trying to make the world a paradise [heaven on Earth] but 'peace' [harmony] and toward the ideal of perpetual peace.
"peace = a state or period in which there is no war or a war has ended; tranquillity, freedom from disturbance." {google dict.}

From a personal perspective, you appear that you don't want to ensure there are no murderers, rapists, violent terrorists within your nearest vicinity or no bombs to be dropped on your house and neighborhood like what is going in Gaza and elsewhere?

Striving towards the ideal of perpetual peace is based on a holistic and foolproof approach, i.e. no potential for greater conflicts but lesser and lesser conflicts.

[Eodnhoj7]

You were too hasty.
I stated perpetual peace as an ideal to be used as a guide.


Something is wrong with your comprehension.

What is critical is the continuous improvements in a positive trend not the perpetual peace which is the driving force of those improvements.
If there is no ideal guide, then there is likely to be stagnancy.


There is an inherent natural change for positivity 'programmed' in all humans.
However, in the light of growing threats, globally and galatically, we need to activate that inherent function with greater efficient planning to expedite improvements.

If you failed to plan, you've planned to fail.
Fixing the ideal is an effective process in efficient planning.
If the gap is too large then establish nearer goals with the ideal in mind.

Progress is the absence of peace as it is discontentment.

The schemes of man is why there is no peace for schemes are the grasping for control. Man trying to make the world a paradise is why it is in conflict.

You seem to want to counter for countering sake but is so blind to reality.

Yours is a strawman.
I reminded you that the idea of perpetual peace is a guide and a tool to motivate progress towards greater peace.
I did not imply man is trying to make the world a paradise [heaven on Earth] but 'peace' [harmony] and toward the ideal of perpetual peace.
"peace = a state or period in which there is no war or a war has ended; tranquillity, freedom from disturbance." {google dict.}

From a personal perspective, you appear that you don't want to ensure there are no murderers, rapists, violent terrorists within your nearest vicinity or no bombs to be dropped on your house and neighborhood like what is going in Gaza and elsewhere?

Striving towards the ideal of perpetual peace is based on a holistic and foolproof approach, i.e. no potential for greater conflicts but lesser and lesser conflicts.

I am far from blind, I have seen countless men and women force their version of peace onto the world only for it to be consumed by conflict. You think you are on some special vital mission unknowing that the people you conflict with are of the same desire. Peace is the word that tears people apart. It is akin to madness as there are so many contradicting versions that the mere utterance of the word is a self diagnosed form of schizophrenia.

It is because of peace that there are criminals for the criminals do what gives them peace and one version of peace conflicts with another. You are ignorant of human nature if you think a metaphorical pure white light gives everyone peace when the stark reality is that some find coherency in a black bottomless pit where all things are just gone...including the mind.

I have interned in a correctional facility and sheriff's department for my degree in criminal justice, knew people who did real exorcisms, been in quite a few physical confrontations where fighting was unavoidable, worked with the homeless and mentally ill, that where either violent or suicidal, and can speak from personal experience alot of people do not want any version of peace but there own and this often times conflicts with other people's versions of it.

You live in a fantasy world to justify a desperately needed purpose life is not giving you.

Conflict is the nature of the world and you are ignorant in seeing that half the time in this forum you cause the conflict you hypocritically preach against.

Rather than look for peace people should embrace conflict like a friend, then there will be peace. You are trying to rewrite the world into something that is not in its nature by cutting off the part of the human condition that just does not want peace.