The Paradox of Understanding

[Fairy]

Missed the point again

The most frustrating part of understanding is having to live in two realities at the same time - the one that I know is true, and the one where no one around me understands.

[Belinda]

Missed the point again

The most frustrating part of understanding is having to live in two realities at the same time - the one that I know is true, and the one where no one around me understands.

Tell me about it!

Still, that presumably is the reason we two are and others in the forum. To help others to what may be a new understanding and with luck also ourselves to learn from others. This is why Philosophy Now is actually read.

[Age]

Age wrote: “Okay, if you say so. But, 'what', EXACTLY, does DESCRIBE 'physical reality', itself?”


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Response: Our perception or thoughts about physical reality would be an illusory secondary overlay, which would only be a distortion of it, an artificial representational model, and not it.

IF 'this', what you just SAID and CLAIMED, here, WERE TRUE, then what you just SAID and CLAIMED, here, WOULD ONLY BE A DISTORTION OF 'REALITY', AND, ONLY AN ARTIFICIAL REPRESENTATION MODEL, and NOT 'IT', correct?

Reality is not actually happening to anyone, or is for anyone.

ABSOLUTELY NO one that I AM AWARE OF has SAID NOR CLAIMED that 'IT' is.

It simply is and precedes any thought about it.

But, 'your perception or thoughts about 'it', IS just an illusory secondary overlay, right?

And, if yes, then what you just SAID and WROTE, here, would just be ONLY A DISTORTION of 'it'.

The mind’s model of reality is like observing a train of thought end, and never returning to it.

BUT there is NO such 'thing' as A so-called 'mind's model of ANY thing, let alone reality', itself.

Reality has no mind to receive an image of it.

Okay, But, 'this perception, or thought, of yours', here, Is just AN ILLUSORY SECONDARY OVERLAY, and IS ONLY A DISTORTION, right?

Or, do you BELIEVE that 'your perceptions or thoughts' are AN ACTUAL ACCURATE and CORRECT VERSION OF 'REALITY', ITSELF?

Can you, YET, SEE the CONTRADICTIONS, and HYPOCRISY, here?

Excessive verbosity is obviously your thing Age, no offence, but it’s how you prefer to style your responses . . and is why interacting with you often becomes boring and tedious.

Okay. I could, for example, just SAY and WRITE,

The Knower IS, ALREADY, KNOWN.

And then just leave.

But, OBVIOUSLY, some of you will NOT UNDERSTAND this, and/or just NOT ACCEPT this. So, some times MORE WORDS ARE NEEDED.

Try to understand that "true knowledge" is a pleonasm, meaning that truth and knowledge are the same thing. That’s the paradox of understanding; which is, there’s nothing to understand.
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Noted is MOST of my words are just QUESTIONS ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION, and the rest were just Correcting what another said and wrote that was False and/or Wrong.

[Eodnhoj7]

Age wrote: “Okay, if you say so. But, 'what', EXACTLY, does DESCRIBE 'physical reality', itself?”


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Response: Our perception or thoughts about physical reality would be an illusory secondary overlay, which would only be a distortion of it, an artificial representational model, and not it.

IF 'this', what you just SAID and CLAIMED, here, WERE TRUE, then what you just SAID and CLAIMED, here, WOULD ONLY BE A DISTORTION OF 'REALITY', AND, ONLY AN ARTIFICIAL REPRESENTATION MODEL, and NOT 'IT', correct?

Reality is not actually happening to anyone, or is for anyone.

ABSOLUTELY NO one that I AM AWARE OF has SAID NOR CLAIMED that 'IT' is.

It simply is and precedes any thought about it.

But, 'your perception or thoughts about 'it', IS just an illusory secondary overlay, right?

And, if yes, then what you just SAID and WROTE, here, would just be ONLY A DISTORTION of 'it'.

The mind’s model of reality is like observing a train of thought end, and never returning to it.

BUT there is NO such 'thing' as A so-called 'mind's model of ANY thing, let alone reality', itself.

Reality has no mind to receive an image of it.

Okay, But, 'this perception, or thought, of yours', here, Is just AN ILLUSORY SECONDARY OVERLAY, and IS ONLY A DISTORTION, right?

Or, do you BELIEVE that 'your perceptions or thoughts' are AN ACTUAL ACCURATE and CORRECT VERSION OF 'REALITY', ITSELF?

Can you, YET, SEE the CONTRADICTIONS, and HYPOCRISY, here?

Excessive verbosity is obviously your thing Age, no offence, but it’s how you prefer to style your responses . . and is why interacting with you often becomes boring and tedious.

Try to understand that "true knowledge" is a pleonasm, meaning that truth and knowledge are the same thing. That’s the paradox of understanding; which is, there’s nothing to understand.

I beg to differ, there is false knowledge, or rather "knowledge of falsity" akin to "dark knowledge". While you are technically correct, because of context, I can see a broad necessity of the term "true knowledge".

Anyhow, that does not really matter much, on to the point:

It could be regarded that all knowledge is a pleonasm, to some degree or another, as the difference between a pleonasm and a tautology is a very, very thin line and rationality, that sets the foundations for knowledge, has a deeply embedded tautological nature....the progressive definitional process of a word giving further grounding to this dynamic of interwoven symbols that is philosophy.

Your thoughts?

[Fairy]

Your thoughts?

Ok, my thoughts, here they are...I think truth and knowledge are the same thing. And that knowledge can only point to it's illusory nature.

The unknown known is a paradox, as in knowledge of the unknown can only be an interpretated perception of reality, and not actual reality.
Actual reality, as it is, in the immediacy of it occurring, never occurs as being any different than how it is.

An interpretation of what is this immediate moment is never the actual moment, as the immediate moment is unwritten, and must be prior to any thought about it. Similarly, a blank computer screen must first exist before typed words can appear on it. Therefore, what becomes known to us can only appear as an artificial conceptual overlay, as it is being interpreted, and then superimposed upon what is ultimately unwritten, or for want of another word, what is unknown.

In other words, concepts are interpretations made of words. Words are sound heard as thoughtful meaning as if reality is creating and writing itself into being in the immediacy of now. In other words, sound heard as words, with meaning, appears as the human story, a story about nothing, and at the same time appearing as a story about something. A story about nothing is ultimately all that is known, and at the same time that knowing is something, and yet something and nothing, is both empty appearing as full, yet ultimately empty fundamentally, as appearances are transient and illusory.

But this is only my opinion, it's my story as I am personally perceiving it, according to the reality of my own understanding. I understand that the way I interpret my reality, will be completely different to how others will interpret their reality. And that's ok, and perfectly normal and fine.

And the reason for that is how the human conceptual being develops the capacity to think and interpret their beingness. To me, I believe we're all the same one consummate artist painting our own picture or model of reality according to the unique picture that is appearing to our lens of perception, the way we see things, so to speak, I believe we are all unique pixels of the whole picture, but can only ever see our own pixel, never the whole picture.

So as each human pixel is built, that will only be a subset of the superset. The whole picture can never be known because everything already is the whole picture appearing as different parts of the whole, and that each part being the sum of the whole. Insofar as, there is only everything, and that there is not one single part separate or missing from life itself, which is everything. Life is everything and can only be one singular movement of LIGHT and that's all that is happening.


This is only my vision, how I see things. To me, all concepts known are as empty as the knower of them. So to me, truth and knowledge are the same thing. The truth is knowledge, and knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of it's reality, which is the only truth known.

[Eodnhoj7]

Your thoughts?

Ok, my thoughts, here they are...I think truth and knowledge are the same thing. And that knowledge can only point to it's illusory nature.

The unknown known is a paradox, as in knowledge of the unknown can only be an interpretated perception of reality, and not actual reality.
Actual reality, as it is, in the immediacy of it occurring, never occurs as being any different than how it is.

An interpretation of what is this immediate moment is never the actual moment, as the immediate moment is unwritten, and must be prior to any thought about it. Similarly, a blank computer screen must first exist before typed words can appear on it. Therefore, what becomes known to us can only appear as an artificial conceptual overlay, as it is being interpreted, and then superimposed upon what is ultimately unwritten, or for want of another word, what is unknown.

In other words, concepts are interpretations made of words. Words are sound heard as thoughtful meaning as if reality is creating and writing itself into being in the immediacy of now. In other words, sound heard as words, with meaning, appears as the human story, a story about nothing, and at the same time appearing as a story about something. A story about nothing is ultimately all that is known, and at the same time that knowing is something, and yet something and nothing, is both empty appearing as full, yet ultimately empty fundamentally, as appearances are transient and illusory.

But this is only my opinion, it's my story as I am personally perceiving it, according to the reality of my own understanding. I understand that the way I interpret my reality, will be completely different to how others will interpret their reality. And that's ok, and perfectly normal and fine.

And the reason for that is how the human conceptual being develops the capacity to think and interpret their beingness. To me, I believe we're all the same one consummate artist painting our own picture or model of reality according to the unique picture that is appearing to our lens of perception, the way we see things, so to speak, I believe we are all unique pixels of the whole picture, but can only ever see our own pixel, never the whole picture.

So as each human pixel is built, that will only be a subset of the superset. The whole picture can never be known because everything already is the whole picture appearing as different parts of the whole, and that each part being the sum of the whole. Insofar as, there is only everything, and that there is not one single part separate or missing from life itself, which is everything. Life is everything and can only be one singular movement of LIGHT and that's all that is happening.


This is only my vision, how I see things. To me, all concepts known are as empty as the knower of them. So to me, truth and knowledge are the same thing. The truth is knowledge, and knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of it's reality, which is the only truth known.

You might find this interesting, and take this with a grain of salt due to my memory:

In talking about the gods he claimed they circled around a formless nothing.

The gods, or rather ideals of our times, observe a circular dialectic between them and a circular dynamic within them. They are but a rhetorical loop encapsulating nothing.

[Atla]

AND, this IS another PRIME example of what SOME people, in the 'OLDEN DAYS', would ATTEMPT to 'TRY TO' DISCREDIT ANY one who did NOT HAVE or HOLD the EXACT SAME BELIEFS as they DID.

So, 'this one' is DOING, EXACTLY, what I WANT TO POINT OUT, SHOW, and REVEAL. What 'this one' IS DOING is EXACTLY like what people WERE DOING when 'they' WERE ATTEMPTING TO 'TRY TO' DISCREDIT 'the one' who was just EXPRESSING 'the message', and Truth, that, ACTUALLY, it is the earth that revolves around the earth and NOT the other way around.

See, SOME people, REALLY, ARE ABSOLUTELY BLIND and STUPID. And, it is generally 'those ones' who are MOST LIKELY 'TRY TO' DISCREDIT ANY one WITH 'views' OR 'ideas' that ARE NEW, and/or ARE DIFFERENT, from what the STUPID and CLOSED one BELIEVE are true. Just take "atla", here, as LIVING PROOF of one of 'those ones'.

AGAIN, if ANY one would like the ACTUAL PROOF, then let 'us' HAVE A DISCUSSION.

Now I can no longer post graphs on Age's CAPS LOCK usage. What am I supposed to do with my life now? And do you have any idea how much effort I put into making those? Like, a whole minute!

Also, click here to learn something cool about the comment I just replied to: https://imgur.com/VstR5jG

For a while it was even hovering above 50%.. really scary..

[Age]

AND, this IS another PRIME example of what SOME people, in the 'OLDEN DAYS', would ATTEMPT to 'TRY TO' DISCREDIT ANY one who did NOT HAVE or HOLD the EXACT SAME BELIEFS as they DID.

So, 'this one' is DOING, EXACTLY, what I WANT TO POINT OUT, SHOW, and REVEAL. What 'this one' IS DOING is EXACTLY like what people WERE DOING when 'they' WERE ATTEMPTING TO 'TRY TO' DISCREDIT 'the one' who was just EXPRESSING 'the message', and Truth, that, ACTUALLY, it is the earth that revolves around the earth and NOT the other way around.

See, SOME people, REALLY, ARE ABSOLUTELY BLIND and STUPID. And, it is generally 'those ones' who are MOST LIKELY 'TRY TO' DISCREDIT ANY one WITH 'views' OR 'ideas' that ARE NEW, and/or ARE DIFFERENT, from what the STUPID and CLOSED one BELIEVE are true. Just take "atla", here, as LIVING PROOF of one of 'those ones'.

AGAIN, if ANY one would like the ACTUAL PROOF, then let 'us' HAVE A DISCUSSION.

Now I can no longer post graphs on Age's CAPS LOCK usage.

WHY NOT?

Who and/or what is, SUPPOSEDLY, STOPPING you, EXACTLY?

What am I supposed to do with my life now?

What were you doing with 'that life', BEFORE?

And do you have any idea how much effort I put into making those? Like, a whole minute!

Okay.

And, what was the ACTUAL REASON you spent a whole minute doing that for, EXACTLY?

Also, click here to learn something cool about the comment I just replied to: https://imgur.com/VstR5jG

For a while it was even hovering above 50%.. really scary..

So, what, EXACTLY, is, SUPPOSEDLY, so-called 'SCARY', here?

OBVIOUSLY, "atla" does NOT have an actual thing that it could counter NOR refute in what I have said and written, here.

[Atla]

Also, click here to learn something cool about the comment I just replied to: https://imgur.com/VstR5jG

For a while it was even hovering above 50%.. really scary..

So, what, EXACTLY, is, SUPPOSEDLY, so-called 'SCARY', here?

It's giving off apocalyptic vibes, Age.

[Age]

Also, click here to learn something cool about the comment I just replied to: https://imgur.com/VstR5jG

For a while it was even hovering above 50%.. really scary..

So, what, EXACTLY, is, SUPPOSEDLY, so-called 'SCARY', here?

It's giving off apocalyptic vibes, Age.

'This one', STILL, is COMPLETELY INCAPABLE of COUNTERING or REFUTING ABSOLUTELY ANY thing that I have said and written, here.

Also, CLEARLY 'we' have ANOTHER one who BELIEVES, LAUGHABLY, that the word 'apocalyptic', in relation to 'the world', is some thing to be SCARED OF or FEARED.

LOL These ones REALLY DID NOT LOOK NOR THINK OUTSIDE OF their OWN ALREADY OBTAINED 'thoughts' and 'perceptions'.

LOL These ones WERE Truly HAPPY, EXCITED, and GLAD WHEN the APOCALYPSE HAPPENED, and OCCURRED.

[Atla]

So, what, EXACTLY, is, SUPPOSEDLY, so-called 'SCARY', here?

It's giving off apocalyptic vibes, Age.

'This one', STILL, is COMPLETELY INCAPABLE of COUNTERING or REFUTING ABSOLUTELY ANY thing that I have said and written, here.

Also, CLEARLY 'we' have ANOTHER one who BELIEVES, LAUGHABLY, that the word 'apocalyptic', in relation to 'the world', is some thing to be SCARED OF or FEARED.

LOL These ones REALLY DID NOT LOOK NOR THINK OUTSIDE OF their OWN ALREADY OBTAINED 'thoughts' and 'perceptions'.

LOL These ones WERE Truly HAPPY, EXCITED, and GLAD WHEN the APOCALYPSE HAPPENED, and OCCURRED.

I read your comment and feel like the great Darkness looming over the horizon is drawing closer.

[Age]

It's giving off apocalyptic vibes, Age.

'This one', STILL, is COMPLETELY INCAPABLE of COUNTERING or REFUTING ABSOLUTELY ANY thing that I have said and written, here.

Also, CLEARLY 'we' have ANOTHER one who BELIEVES, LAUGHABLY, that the word 'apocalyptic', in relation to 'the world', is some thing to be SCARED OF or FEARED.

LOL These ones REALLY DID NOT LOOK NOR THINK OUTSIDE OF their OWN ALREADY OBTAINED 'thoughts' and 'perceptions'.

LOL These ones WERE Truly HAPPY, EXCITED, and GLAD WHEN the APOCALYPSE HAPPENED, and OCCURRED.

I read your comment and feel like the great Darkness looming over the horizon is drawing closer.

LOL The 'great darkness looming'.

AGAIN, this one is ABSOLUTELY INCAPABLE of COUNTERING and/or REFUTING what I have ACTUALLY SAID, WRITTEN, and MEANT, here.