Christian marriage is NOT traditional marriage

[godelian]

Some people think that they are doing a traditional marriage in Church. They are not. Clerical marriage is not traditional. It was invented in the 16th century. It actually broke with tradition and brought marriage under control of the Church.

Traditional marriage was systematically persecuted in the West until it became extinct. It still exists, however, in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia.

Humanity has been engaging in traditional marriage for 300 000 years, long before the church grabbed control over marriage. In fact, even for the first 1600+ years of Christianity, only traditional marriage existed.

You can find an interesting explanation as to the difference between Christian and traditional marriage in Africa in the following link:

The difference between Traditional and Christian Marriage

Christianity is no longer in a position that it can violently persecute and stamp out traditional marriage like it originally did in Europe.

The church still does not recognize traditional marriage, however. If the clergy does not exercise total control over the marriage, then it considers the marriage to be void.

In my opinion, it works exactly the other way around. Only traditional marriage is valid and legitimate. It is marriage in church that is void.

The scriptures do not give control over marriage to the Church. By recognizing church authority over marriage anyway, Christians are extending the authority of the Church beyond what is mandated by the scriptures and beyond what is reasonable. The Quran explicitly condemns this behavior:

Quran 9:31. They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

By giving control over marriage to their clergy, Christians associate their clergy as partner to God. By giving control over marriage to the government through civil marriage, Christians associate their government also as partner to God.

There is no worse sin in Islam than giving that kind of power to other humans.

Perhaps you understand now why Islam resonates so much in libertarian ears. Libertarians simply do not want to give that kind of power to other people. In Islam it is even a blind foundational belief that you should never do that. It is even considered the worst sin on earth.

[accelafine]

Islam is great for icky old men who want to 'marry' little girls.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RbPwtu8F7Yo

[godelian]

Islam is great

Yes, agreed.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Some people think that they are doing a traditional marriage in Church. They are not. Clerical marriage is not traditional. It was invented in the 16th century. It actually broke with tradition and brought marriage under control of the Church.

Call it what you like, primitive, traditional, classical or modern, gay, ABC.. etc.

In modern times, what counts is whether the marriage is legal or not, either explicitly or implicitly.
Even without a marriage certificate, living together with the opposite sex could end up losing half of one's assets to the poorer party in the event of a divorce.

The worst is, even in our modern times, permitting any child older than 9 to marry anyone [usually perverted old men] based on the exemplar of some supposedly agent of God is the most abominable act.

[godelian]

In modern times, what counts is whether the marriage is legal or not, either explicitly or implicitly.

There are strict limits on government power.

I don't care if anyone votes in favor of extending government power beyond its limits because I won't recognize it anyway, and I've got two billion people who agree with me in that regard.

Marriage is none of the government's business.

It is beyond the limits of their authority.

It has always been beyond their limits and we will not hesitate to decisively enforce these limits on government power. They either stay in their lane or else we will sooner or later force them to stay in their lane. The choice is theirs.

[accelafine]

In modern times, what counts is whether the marriage is legal or not, either explicitly or implicitly.

There are strict limits on government power.

I don't care if anyone votes in favor of extending government power beyond its limits because I won't recognize it anyway, and I've got two billion people who agree with me in that regard.

Marriage is none of the government's business.

It is beyond the limits of their authority.

It has always been beyond their limits and we will not hesitate to decisively enforce these limits on government power. They either stay in their lane or else we will sooner or later force them to stay in their lane. The choice is theirs.

Why do you pretend to be muslim? You aren't a muslim's butt-hole.

[godelian]

You aren't a muslim's butt-hole.

It's not because you take it up the butt-hole that anybody else does that too. You keep projecting your sexual preferences onto other people. When are you finally going to stop doing that? We are not like you and we will never be like you!

[accelafine]

You aren't a muslim's butt-hole.

It's not because you take it up the butt-hole that anybody else does that too. You keep projecting your sexual preferences onto other people. When are you finally going to stop doing that? We are not like you and we will never be like you!

Why do you pretend to be a muslim?

[godelian]

Why do you pretend to be a muslim?

According to ChatGPT:

ChatGPT: How do you become a Muslim?

Becoming a Muslim is simple and does not require a formal ceremony or intermediary. It involves sincerely believing in and proclaiming the Shahada, which is the Islamic declaration of faith:

"Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah, wa ashhadu anna Muhammadan rasoolu Allah."

This means: "I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah."

In other words, you are a Muslim if you insist that you are one.

By claiming that I would merely pretend to be a Muslim, you are insinuating that I do not believe in the Shahada or that I did not proclaim the Shahada.

Where is your evidence for that?

Since you cannot possibly have evidence for either, you are clearly a liar.

So, my question to you is, who taught you to lie so much?

[Veritas Aequitas]

In modern times, what counts is whether the marriage is legal or not, either explicitly or implicitly.

There are strict limits on government power.

Marriage is none of the government's business.

It is beyond the limits of their authority.

It has always been beyond their limits and we will not hesitate to decisively enforce these limits on government power. They either stay in their lane or else we will sooner or later force them to stay in their lane. The choice is theirs.

I wonder if you're married or gay?
If you are are "married" you've done that without legality?

I don't care if anyone votes in favor of extending government power beyond its limits because I won't recognize it anyway, and I've got two billion people who agree with me in that regard.

Where can I fact-check your claim that 100% of the 2 billion [??] agreed with you?

What are you going to do if the Law decided you must split your asset with your legal or implied 'wife'/partner?
Kill her because she is a threat to the religion?

[accelafine]

Why do you pretend to be a muslim?

According to ChatGPT:

ChatGPT: How do you become a Muslim?

Becoming a Muslim is simple and does not require a formal ceremony or intermediary. It involves sincerely believing in and proclaiming the Shahada, which is the Islamic declaration of faith:

"Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah, wa ashhadu anna Muhammadan rasoolu Allah."

This means: "I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah."

In other words, you are a Muslim if you insist that you are one.

By claiming that I would merely pretend to be a Muslim, you are insinuating that I do not believe in the Shahada or that I did not proclaim the Shahada.

Where is your evidence for that?

Since you cannot possibly have evidence for either, you are clearly a liar.

So, my question to you is, who taught you to lie so much?

Why do you pretend to be a muslim? I'm genuinely curious. It just seems a bizarre thing to do.

[godelian]

If you are are "married" you've done that without legality?

Civil marriage is typically not accepted in Islamic law because the terms and conditions are in violation with it:

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/113867/ ... d-in-islam

Is Civil Marriage Accepted in Islam?

1- If you mean by civil marriage documenting the marriage and recording it, then this is something that is required, so as to protect people’s rights and prevent tampering with marriage.

---> This is obviously not what it is about.
---> Furthermore, the presence of two witnesses is enough.

2- If civil marriage involves anything that is contrary to Islam with regard to divorce and so on, then it is not permissible to do it, unless documentation of the marriage cannot be done otherwise, or if the person has no choice but to do it.

It is clearly not permissible for the Muslim to accept the continued interference of any other law governing his marriage than Islamic law.

Marrying with legality therefore means being married under Islamic law only.

I spit, pee, and shit on civil marriage law.

[godelian]

Why do you pretend to be a muslim? I'm genuinely curious. It just seems a bizarre thing to do.

I believe in the Shahada and I have pronounced it umpteen times already. So, what exactly is the alleged pretense?

[accelafine]

Why do you pretend to be a muslim? I'm genuinely curious. It just seems a bizarre thing to do.

I believe in the Shahada and I have pronounced it umpteen times already. So, what exactly is the alleged pretense?

You are larping. It's laughable. I can't imagine any muslims boasting crassly about how much money they have and their 'hot prostitute wife' What about you says 'muslim' exactly?

[Fairy]

Nobody is a Muslim, or a Christian.

Bodies do not know anything.

So how does the biological brain pretend to know? The answer has been discovered thanks to computer technology. Computers know stuff, and is where all information is stored.