Time is circular

[Fairy]

More information about the mysterious concept of time. . https://mindandsoul.space/home/2019/8/2 ... r-circular

[Fairy]

you two BOTH BELIEVE, ABSOLUTELY, that 'Everything IS nothing', and ANY view OPPOSING 'that BELIEF' of BOTH of yours is Wrong. So, WHY do you two NOT just KEEP 'TRYING TO" argue and fight FOR 'that BELIEF' of yours? Or, is all of this part of your ARGUING and FIGHTING, here?

Eod and Fairy are simply sharing views each and the other have with each and the other. That's the purpose and what a philosophy forum is used for.


As for belief that (everything is nothing) ...allow me to explain what everything is nothing means to me personally. I'm not speaking for anyone else here.

My self-biased opinion is that Nothing / nothingness isn't a thing / something / some thing / something else / someone else.

These are appearing self referential concepts or conceptualisations. Nothing's appearing. Nothing's happening.

''The elephant in the room'' is infinite, being ''the room'' … not inside any thing - and is unthinkable.

[Wizard22]

Time implies a Constant.

What your Consciousness does during Perception, is it takes an image, memorizes it, holds it in short-term memory, and begins comparing all incoming sensation to its original 'self'. As long as the Memorized-image matches Incoming information (Sensory Input), it can be used as a Constant. But when Sensation changes, and the original image is lost (ie. cannot be found objectively, outside yourself), Perception then turns to the original short-term memory for 'grounding' itself.

This analogy can be applied to the most 'Truthful' memories of an organic lifetime. What do animals remember the most? What experiences are most impactful, most long-lasting?

What Conscious-Perceived-Memory is the most Constant of them all?


The "Circular" Motion is your brain checking-back to your long-term memory, the most consistent and constant memories, which you use as your platform for comparison.

[Wizard22]

The human brain operates very much alike and similar to, a computer's CPU.

The 'clock-cycles' of a CPU is alike the brain organ's re-checking short and long-term memories (RAM).

The 'Constants' of one brain are similar to other brains, but not the same. Every organic species has different, organic, biological 'Constants', depending on its Specie and cognitively developed Nervous system. Constants are implied in the 'form' of the specie...Felines have a 'Cat' Constant, Canines have a 'Dog' Constant, etc. these are every species' "Identifiers".

[Fairy]

What Conscious-Perceived-Memory is the most Constant of them all?


The "Circular" Motion is your brain checking-back to your long-term memory, the most consistent and constant memories, which you use as your platform for comparison.

Love that idea. Thank you. Only the mind moves, not YOU, not the observer.

The immediate presence is a motionless perfect stillness. A resting LIGHT, a timeless, unknown, unwritten constant stateless state.

It's only when there is a demand for knowledge is there a movement of mind into the memory, which then gives the illusory continuity that memory is happening now, any yet is only a story that already passed away. Kind of what you would expect from a virtual reality. Or, for want of a better description, the Event Horizon. Reality is a self-writing mirage.

But that's just the way I see it, it's true for me, but it doesn't mean it's true for everyone.

[Fairy]

The human brain operates very much alike and similar to, a computer's CPU.

The 'clock-cycles' of a CPU is alike the brain organ's re-checking short and long-term memories (RAM).

The 'Constants' of one brain are similar to other brains, but not the same. Every organic species has different, organic, biological 'Constants', depending on its Specie and cognitively developed Nervous system. Constants are implied in the 'form' of the specie...Felines have a 'Cat' Constant, Canines have a 'Dog' Constant, etc. these are every species' "Identifiers".

I like these ideas.

[Gary Childress]

Time is like a wheel, it’s purpose is to move, but in the end, it always came back to the place it started.

I can see truth in the statement that time is "like" a wheel, in the sense that some things in the biological world occur in repetitive cycles. (The growing season and the winter maybe being the most prominent example. I've heard that crime in society has some remote statistical similarity to cycles of epidemic diseases breaking out and then subsiding.)

Of course, in other senses, time seems linear in nature.

[Fairy]

Time is quadratic and geometric by nature.

Does that have anything to do with the Tesseract idea? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

[Fairy]

Time is like a wheel, it’s purpose is to move, but in the end, it always came back to the place it started.

I can see truth in the statement that time is "like" a wheel, in the sense that some things in the biological world occur in repetitive cycles. (The growing season and the winter maybe being the most prominent example. I've heard that crime in society has some remote statistical similarity to cycles of epidemic diseases breaking out and then subsiding.)

Of course, in other senses, time seems linear in nature.

I remember watching this video years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGguwYPC32I

[Eodnhoj7]

Time is quadratic and geometric by nature.

Does that have anything to do with the Tesseract idea? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

The post did not have that in mind, it neither argues against it. The tesseract could be broken down to an advanced loop.

The four foundational aspects of time are a circle/line/spiral/point as inherent processes...the tesseract cube functions like these shapes.

[Eodnhoj7]

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct. Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity' So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular. When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

True, but I believe it can be taken a step further:

1. The rhythmic qualities of time necessitates a circularity.
2. The progressive change necessitates a linearism.
3. Both simultaneously argues time as a spiral of transition.
4. The strict occurence of the thing is the point of observation.

Time is quadratic and geometric by nature.

The only observation of time is a malleable conception. I have noticed in my meditations points where the only experience of it is a ticking clock that signifies nothing, sometimes, and at other points it seems relatively fast or relatively slow given the emphasis of how I choose to value it.

On the other hand time is what allows distinctions to occur and is interwoven within this dimension of existence. This vaguely reminds me of Zeno's paradox, but in effect nullifies it for the changing measurements of the mind are part of the inherent reality it observes.

I have argued with AI, to some success, that time is merely expanding and contracting space. Movement, through time, is space merely folding itself...thus the birth of percievable form. An observation of time is merely an observation of a dimension of space within space.

Always a pleasure to read your contributions.


There is nowhere but here, nowhere to go. The absolute is here already. It is just about our perception. The zero-point field is showing us already that there is no place to go. You already are what you are seeking, you are it. What you are seeking is seeking you.
Our natural "beingness," is always the place of least resistance. It is the realm of the absolute. It is the unnameable and unknowable and the source of all things. It is accessible within you, because it is you. Life has no form. We give it form with our perception.
Absolute Freedom at Zero Point.

Thank you, the same sentiments apply to you as well.

Anyhow:

Form is paradox given the foundations of it being a point (nothingness)

Simple geometry shows this.

A line is points between points, thus the point is both finite localization and an infinite continuum, one (as self-referential) and many (as infinite variations as self-referencing). The point is the foundational experiential occurence of reality, and with it premises the experience of reality in paradox.

All forms are the negation of nothingness (0d point) by distinction (recursive continuity as the individuation of the 0d point). Looking at form, one can say that form is space between space.

[Age]

you two BOTH BELIEVE, ABSOLUTELY, that 'Everything IS nothing', and ANY view OPPOSING 'that BELIEF' of BOTH of yours is Wrong. So, WHY do you two NOT just KEEP 'TRYING TO" argue and fight FOR 'that BELIEF' of yours? Or, is all of this part of your ARGUING and FIGHTING, here?

Eod and Fairy are simply sharing views each and the other have with each and the other. That's the purpose and what a philosophy forum is used for.

AGAIN 'this' is just your view. Others view is a 'philosophy forum' is NOT just used for 'sharing views', only, but for actually questioning and challenging views, while also backing up and supporting views with actual proof and/or sound and valid arguments.

If one wants to just SHARE views, only, then there are a multitude of other websites and forums for such a thing.

To me anyway, 'philosophy' involves 'logical reasoning', itself, and NOT simply just sharing views, only.

As for belief that (everything is nothing) ...allow me to explain what everything is nothing means to me personally. I'm not speaking for anyone else here.

My self-biased opinion is that Nothing / nothingness isn't a thing / something / some thing / something else / someone else.

These are appearing self referential concepts or conceptualisations. Nothing's appearing. Nothing's happening.

''The elephant in the room'' is infinite, being ''the room'' … not inside any thing - and is unthinkable.

It is with these types of so-called 'explanations' WHY you are, REALLY, just simply sharing views, ONLY.

Which, again, to some is NOT what a 'philosophy forum' is USED FOR.

[Age]

More information about the mysterious concept of time. . https://mindandsoul.space/home/2019/8/2 ... r-circular

'Time', itself, is NOT 'mysterious' AT ALL. Well not to some of 'us', here, anyway.

The word 'time' is just referring to ' the measuring of the duration between perceived 'events' '.

If and when ANY one 'tries to' 'look at' and 'see' 'time' as some thing else, then this is WHEN 'mysterious concepts of time' BEGIN and ARISE.

[Age]

Time implies a Constant.

'Time', itself, does NOT 'imply' ANY thing AT ALL.

There is, however, an implied definition or an implication envisioned when the word 'time' is read, heard, or thought about. But what is implied, and inferred, of ANY word ALWAYS DEPENDS on the 'you', ALONE, and NEVER on the 'word', itself.

What your Consciousness does during Perception,[/quote]

What is 'this thing', EXACTLY, which you CLAIM, here, HAS or OWNS a 'Consciousness'?

And, WHY did 'you' USE a 'C' and a 'P', here?

is it takes an image, memorizes it, holds it in short-term memory, and begins comparing all incoming sensation to its original 'self'. As long as the Memorized-image matches Incoming information (Sensory Input), it can be used as a Constant. But when Sensation changes, and the original image is lost (ie. cannot be found objectively, outside yourself), Perception then turns to the original short-term memory for 'grounding' itself.

This analogy can be applied to the most 'Truthful' memories of an organic lifetime. What do animals remember the most? What experiences are most impactful, most long-lasting?

What Conscious-Perceived-Memory is the most Constant of them all?


The "Circular" Motion is your brain checking-back to your long-term memory, the most consistent and constant memories, which you use as your platform for comparison.

SO WHAT?

HOW, EXACTLY, does 'this' RELATE TO the SUPPOSED, 'time' IMPLIES 'a constant', CLAIM?

[Age]

True, but I believe it can be taken a step further:

1. The rhythmic qualities of time necessitates a circularity.
2. The progressive change necessitates a linearism.
3. Both simultaneously argues time as a spiral of transition.
4. The strict occurence of the thing is the point of observation.

Time is quadratic and geometric by nature.

The only observation of time is a malleable conception. I have noticed in my meditations points where the only experience of it is a ticking clock that signifies nothing, sometimes, and at other points it seems relatively fast or relatively slow given the emphasis of how I choose to value it.

On the other hand time is what allows distinctions to occur and is interwoven within this dimension of existence. This vaguely reminds me of Zeno's paradox, but in effect nullifies it for the changing measurements of the mind are part of the inherent reality it observes.

I have argued with AI, to some success, that time is merely expanding and contracting space. Movement, through time, is space merely folding itself...thus the birth of percievable form. An observation of time is merely an observation of a dimension of space within space.

Always a pleasure to read your contributions.


There is nowhere but here, nowhere to go. The absolute is here already. It is just about our perception. The zero-point field is showing us already that there is no place to go. You already are what you are seeking, you are it. What you are seeking is seeking you.
Our natural "beingness," is always the place of least resistance. It is the realm of the absolute. It is the unnameable and unknowable and the source of all things. It is accessible within you, because it is you. Life has no form. We give it form with our perception.
Absolute Freedom at Zero Point.

Thank you, the same sentiments apply to you as well.

Anyhow:

Form is paradox

Saying, 'Form is paradox', is like saying, 'Cat is paradox', 'Elephant is paradox', 'Earth is paradox', 'The world is paradox', or 'you are paradox'. As NONE of them make ABSOLUTELY ANY SENSE AT ALL.

given the foundations of it being a point (nothingness)

Simple geometry shows this.

A line is points between points, thus the point is both finite localization and an infinite continuum, one (as self-referential) and many (as infinite variations as self-referencing). The point is the foundational experiential occurence of reality, and with it premises the experience of reality in paradox.

All forms are the negation of nothingness (0d point) by distinction (recursive continuity as the individuation of the 0d point). Looking at form, one can say that form is space between space.