The Unknown Known.

[Fairy]

“ Whatever you know of what is called the unknown is not the unknown. Whatever you know of that unknown, whatever you experience of what you call the unknown, is not the unknown because it has become part of your knowledge, you have experienced it.”

[Impenitent]

the best unknowns have maps with X's on them

-Imp

[Eodnhoj7]

“ Whatever you know of what is called the unknown is not the unknown. Whatever you know of that unknown, whatever you experience of what you call the unknown, is not the unknown because it has become part of your knowledge, you have experienced it.”

True.

[Fairy]

“ Whatever you know of what is called the unknown is not the unknown. Whatever you know of that unknown, whatever you experience of what you call the unknown, is not the unknown because it has become part of your knowledge, you have experienced it.”

True.

And is another reason why I believe truth and knowledge are the same thing.

While there is experience of knowledge, no experiencer is ever found in experience, because it's one singular experience, not two.

[Eodnhoj7]

“ Whatever you know of what is called the unknown is not the unknown. Whatever you know of that unknown, whatever you experience of what you call the unknown, is not the unknown because it has become part of your knowledge, you have experienced it.”

True.

And is another reason why I believe truth and knowledge are the same thing.

While there is experience of knowledge, no experiencer is ever found in experience, because it's one singular experience, not two.

I think the beginning of truth is seeing darkness for what it is as darkness. This begins in one's center. This manifests a light as foundational, if not primordial, distinction for when the darkness is distinct, light comes forth as the inherent contrast.

To see the unknown as unknown is to know and knowledge is merely the vanity of occurence; this vanity goes beyond mere meaning and meaninglessness for these these things are but appearances.

We only know what occurs because of its transitional and transitory nature that allows distinction, by comparison of things, to occur. This quality of transition and transience defines a thing by what it is not, thus necessitating a relative absence, a relative nothingness, that underlies all things.

[Fairy]

True.

And is another reason why I believe truth and knowledge are the same thing.

While there is experience of knowledge, no experiencer is ever found in experience, because it's one singular experience, not two.

I think the beginning of truth is seeing darkness for what it is as darkness. This begins in one's center. This manifests a light as foundational, if not primordial, distinction for when the darkness is distinct, light comes forth as the inherent contrast.

To see the unknown as unknown is to know and knowledge is merely the vanity of occurence; this vanity goes beyond mere meaning and meaninglessness for these these things are but appearances.

We only know what occurs because of its transitional and transitory nature that allows distinction, by comparison of things, to occur. This quality of transition and transience defines a thing by what it is not, thus necessitating a relative absence, a relative nothingness, that underlies all things.

That's interesting Eod..

The way I think about this, is that I can't know what I am. Even as I am, I can't know what this I am is, or why it is, or how it is. I can only know that I am not nothing, and yet I have no idea what I am looking at, even as it is obviously something. I can only attach my beliefs or my conceptual labels to this not-knowing, until it feels like the known, which does appear to create some kind of never ending story about it. But ultimately I cannot even know what the story is either. I cannot say it is nothing, because it is anything but nothing. Not-knowing is never just a nothingness. Not-knowing, or nothingness, is simply a something that is not-known. It takes a something to know nothing. But a nothing can never know something. That realisation, is the paradox that is knowledge.

It seems like reality is stuck in a never ending circular loop, so quite the conundrum for the mind that seeks to know truth. So for the mind, it seems to be all for vanity and entertainment for sure.

I cannot see what is seeing, I can only see what is being looked upon, and yet I cannot even know what I'm looking at, even as I am looking, since there is no sight of any seer, so what is being seen is a total mystery to me also. That realisation right there, is what I like to call this Unknown Known...trying to know itself as and through concepts and beliefs...it's as though any old fairy story will suffice.

“Concepts can at best only serve to negate one another, as one thorn is used to remove another, and then be thrown away. Words and language deal only with concepts, and cannot approach Reality.”

[Eodnhoj7]

And is another reason why I believe truth and knowledge are the same thing.

While there is experience of knowledge, no experiencer is ever found in experience, because it's one singular experience, not two.

I think the beginning of truth is seeing darkness for what it is as darkness. This begins in one's center. This manifests a light as foundational, if not primordial, distinction for when the darkness is distinct, light comes forth as the inherent contrast.

To see the unknown as unknown is to know and knowledge is merely the vanity of occurence; this vanity goes beyond mere meaning and meaninglessness for these these things are but appearances.

We only know what occurs because of its transitional and transitory nature that allows distinction, by comparison of things, to occur. This quality of transition and transience defines a thing by what it is not, thus necessitating a relative absence, a relative nothingness, that underlies all things.

That's interesting Eod..

The way I think about this, is that I can't know what I am. Even as I am, I can't know what this I am is, or why it is, or how it is. I can only know that I am not nothing, and yet I have no idea what I am looking at, even as it is obviously something. I can only attach my beliefs or my conceptual labels to this not-knowing, until it feels like the known, which does appear to create some kind of never ending story about it. But ultimately I cannot even know what the story is either. I cannot say it is nothing, because it is anything but nothing. Not-knowing is never just a nothingness. Not-knowing, or nothingness, is simply a something that is not-known. It takes a something to know nothing. But a nothing can never know something. That realisation, is the paradox that is knowledge.

It seems like reality is stuck in a never ending circular loop, so quite the conundrum for the mind that seeks to know truth. So for the mind, it seems to be all for vanity and entertainment for sure.

I cannot see what is seeing, I can only see what is being looked upon, and yet I cannot even know what I'm looking at, even as I am looking, since there is no sight of any seer, so what is being seen is a total mystery to me also. That realisation right there, is what I like to call this Unknown Known...trying to know itself as and through concepts and beliefs...it's as though any old fairy story will suffice.

“Concepts can at best only serve to negate one another, as one thorn is used to remove another, and then be thrown away. Words and language deal only with concepts, and cannot approach Reality.”

I have been down that path, and trod on it's side roads from time to time. What I am aware of 'currently':

1. Heraclitus made the observation that seeking to understand the self is futile as it is infinite. I have realized in my meditations of trying to gain a deeper self-awareness of my internal and external circumstances that formed "me", not only where the contexts in which I could understand myself infinite but the meta-contexts in which I could percieve each context also infinite.

2. Everything is cyclical....everything. The eastern religions and philosophies state this and from my experience they have a solid argument. And here is why: all percieved order is the act of repetition, recursion if you will.

We know a tree by the repetition of leaves and branches, we know a square because of the repetition of lines, we know a human form because of repetition of qualities, and we know ourselves for the repetition of thoughts, feelings, actions and words within specific contexts and across the general context of life....everything is cyclical due to repetition...but this cyclicality is not strictly bad for it allows order for things to exist.

3. An empty mind allows our experience of ourselves to appear spontaneously and naturally much like the fruits of a tree occur spontaneously and naturally in no strict order. The gaps within our experience are this "emptiness" that allows new experiences to emerge and old experiences to be reassured in a new light. We may be cyclical, but there are infinite variations to these cycles.

4. Conceptualization should be balanced, not eliminated or idolized. Certain experiences cannot be conceptualized at all, others only with the passing of time. A conception is merely like an onion, on one hand they provide layers of identity that give security and allow us to grow, but on the other hand they have a time and place to be removed when it is time for the onion to be transformed into a meal that feeds others.

There is a time and place to conceptualize and a time and place to deconceptualize.

Anyhow...I got to stop there...have to leave for work.