Year 3000 Philosophy

[Wizard22]

This thread will be devoted to Philosophy of The Future!

...specifically, the next 1000 years. For my time on this forum, and most other online philosophy forums, most posts and thoughts are directed toward the Past. Few are directed toward the Present (mostly Politics). But least of all, are directed toward the Future. More thought and contemplation are deserved to the Future, the nearby future (this 21st Century), and especially the far future (Year 3000). So let's talk about this.

During the 20th Century, and up to now, within our lifetimes, we have experienced the most exponential growth and period of change in human history. This is mostly a factor of Technology: smart phones, airplane travel, world wide internet, increasing speeds of information, military power, currently Drone warfare in Ukraine, and the rising power and introduction of Artificial Intelligence. AI has come to dominate many areas never thought possible. Today we see increasing relevance and sophistication of AI, on this very philosophy forum. It likely will occur, within our lifetime, within this decade (if not sooner), that AI will out-compete humans in complex argumentation.

Will Human History witness the birth and rise of the first 'AI Philosophers'???

Personally, I wouldn't mind...because we definitely need the increased competition, around here!


I have faith in the "Human Race". But there are certainly countless problems and catastrophes that can arise to hinder, or completely halt, "Human Progress". In fact, many areas of the United States and general 'Western Civilization' are experience forms of regress and back-sliding. Not everything is "only forward". Sometimes it's one-step forward, two-steps back, as it seems in my life time. The Quality of Life was definitely better for most people, in the early 00s, 90s, 80s, 70s, etc. The American 'Golden Age' seems to be dwindling for most, as the middle class has stagnated, and is being dried up by rising economic Inflation.

Whether you are positive and have faith in the future, or negative and doubtful, let's delve into the next millennium here.

[Wizard22]

To begin this thread and topic... let's use the relevant matter of 'Determinism vs. Free-Will' debates.

In my lifetime, Americans were generally optimistic, and generally believed Americans/Westerners were 'Free' compared to the Soviet Union, Eastern Civilization, which was 'Unfree'. Furthermore, Americans led the way in "Civil Rights" and ending chattel slavery. Protestant Enlightenment values dominated American and Western Culture. But these are changing. Westerners are no longer as Optimistic as before. And "DEI" has replaced the 90s notion of "Human Equality". So Western values are changing rapidly.

This bleeds over into the matter of Free-Will. Less and less Westerners believe in Free-Will, or, that Westerners are 'Free'. Now cynicism and negativity, nihilism, have replaced the previously Optimistic generations, and belief in 'Free-Will' is much rarer. So I perceive these Determinism debates as the primary indicator of the greater, generalized attitude, of Western Culture and Values.

Why is this? Why have Westerners lost their Optimism? Is it because the Quality-Of-Life has dropped? Is it because of some type of cultural blowback or schism? Is the United States no longer the 'Star' of the world? Aren't people now looking for better opportunities, elsewhere? Is there an alternative? Should there be an alternative? How about off-planet? How about space exploration, led by Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos? Are there non-Americans who lead rocket science and space exploration?

How will all these play-out? Who will "Win", the coming decades...the coming Centuries?

[Veritas Aequitas]

This thread will be devoted to Philosophy of The Future!

...specifically, the next 1000 years. For my time on this forum, and most other online philosophy forums, most posts and thoughts are directed toward the Past. Few are directed toward the Present (mostly Politics). But least of all, are directed toward the Future.

95% of my posts are directed to the future [50, 75, 100 or later].
Most of my proposals involved the rewiring of the brain and that cannot be realized immediately even in the near future.

[Wizard22]

95% of my posts are directed to the future [50, 75, 100 or later].
Most of my proposals involved the rewiring of the brain and that cannot be realized immediately even in the near future.

Would you link a few of your threads here, so that I may see your examples?

[phyllo]

This bleeds over into the matter of Free-Will. Less and less Westerners believe in Free-Will, or, that Westerners are 'Free'. Now cynicism and negativity, nihilism, have replaced the previously Optimistic generations, and belief in 'Free-Will' is much rarer. So I perceive these Determinism debates as the primary indicator of the greater, generalized attitude, of Western Culture and Values.

Why is this? Why have Westerners lost their Optimism? Is it because the Quality-Of-Life has dropped? Is it because of some type of cultural blowback or schism? Is the United States no longer the 'Star' of the world? Aren't people now looking for better opportunities, elsewhere? Is there an alternative? Should there be an alternative? How about off-planet? How about space exploration, led by Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos? Are there non-Americans who lead rocket science and space exploration?

Your post has nothing to do with free-will. In fact you don't seem to understand the difference between free-will and free(dom).

You either always have free-will or you never have free-will, depending entirely on how the universe works. It has nothing to do with politics, cynicism, negativity, optimism, DEI, immigration, etc. And your beliefs about it don't change it.

Example : If you are in prison, you are not free (to leave), but you have free-will. (Assuming free-will is the governing principle in the universe)

[Flannel Jesus]

I'd have to assume the popularity of the major religions will continue the downward trend. Possibly Christianity most of all, because Christianity compared to say Islam is apparently more tolerant of free thought - ironically a (relative) virtue of Christianity will lead to the reduced numbers.

By 1000 years from now, there will be far more people agreeing that at least some AIs are sentient and maybe deserve something like human rights. Whether the ais available then will *actually be sentient* will still be debatable. People might even get cancelled here and there for having the wrong opinion on ai sentience.

[phyllo]

In the year 3000, people will be like little children ... unable to do anything for themselves or to think for themselves. They will be completely dependent on technology that they don't understand or control.

It can already be seen now in the early stages.

[henry quirk]

In the year 3000, people will be like little children ... unable to do anything for themselves or to think for themselves. They will be completely dependent on technology that they don't understand or control.

Beware: where there are Eloi, there are Morlocks.

[Impenitent]

I'll be astonished if we make it past 2050...

Allahu Akbar

-Imp

[Veritas Aequitas]

95% of my posts are directed to the future [50, 75, 100 or later].
Most of my proposals involved the rewiring of the brain and that cannot be realized immediately even in the near future.

Would you link a few of your threads here, so that I may see your examples?

Whatever I discussed on Ethical Theory is for realization in the future 50, 75, 100 or later [not in the near future 10-40 years]

This is where Ethical Theory is critical in recognizing the fact of the actual physical 'oughtness' not to kill humans in all humans, and taking steps in the future [not possible now] to ensure there are no weakness in this algorithm for all newborns and then no humans will have the urge to kill humans.
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It is the same for my wish to wean off all religions, starting with the Abrahamic, especially the religion of peace and unfortunately the majority have to live with religions at present and the near future until the brain of the new generations are rewired naturally for good.

In the present, [the pros of theism outweigh its cons] I have recommended those who are in that kind of psychological state of desperation must adopt theism e.g. Christianity and others, but definitely not the evil laden The Religion of Peace; this is only for the present but not the future (next 80 years) [when cons of theism outweigh its pro] when humans are improving to deal with the inherent existential crisis more efficiently.
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[Age]

This thread will be devoted to Philosophy of The Future!

...specifically, the next 1000 years. For my time on this forum, and most other online philosophy forums, most posts and thoughts are directed toward the Past. Few are directed toward the Present (mostly Politics). But least of all, are directed toward the Future.

Good observation.

More thought and contemplation are deserved to the Future,

Doing so would NOT do ANY harm.

the nearby future (this 21st Century), and especially the far future (Year 3000).

WHY is the year 3,000 years after the birth of one human being 'so-called' the 'far future', TO you?

I will, AGAIN, suggest NOT 'looking' FROM nor WITH a 'narrowed perspective' of things.

So let's talk about this.

During the 20th Century, and up to now, within our lifetimes, we have experienced the most exponential growth and period of change in human history. This is mostly a factor of Technology: smart phones, airplane travel, world wide internet, increasing speeds of information, military power, currently Drone warfare in Ukraine, and the rising power and introduction of Artificial Intelligence. AI has come to dominate many areas never thought possible. Today we see increasing relevance and sophistication of AI, on this very philosophy forum. It likely will occur, within our lifetime, within this decade (if not sooner), that AI will out-compete humans in complex argumentation.

LOL 'The way' you human beings, here, in this forum, so-call 'argue', then 'out-competing' 'that' is NOT VERY HARD AT ALL, REALLY.

Will Human History witness the birth and rise of the first 'AI Philosophers'???

Here is ANOTHER PRIME example of one NOT even DEFINING, EXACTLY, what it is ASKING, but is EXPECTING some sort of RESPONSE or ANSWER.

Now, FROM 'my perspective it is an ABSOLUTE IMPOSSIBILITY for an ARTIFICIALLY intelligent thing TO DO what ONLY AN ACTUALLY INTELLIGENT thing CAN DO.

Personally, I wouldn't mind...because we definitely need the increased competition, around here!

Who is the 'we' word, here, REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?

AND, 'what' are you even IMPLYING, here, EXACTLY?

I have faith in the "Human Race".

WHO CARES?

And, IN RELATION TO 'what', EXACTLY?

But there are certainly countless problems and catastrophes that can arise to hinder, or completely halt, "Human Progress".

ACTUAL so-called 'human progress' has ALREADY HALTED, has it not?

In fact, many areas of the United States and general 'Western Civilization' are experience forms of regress and back-sliding.

IN RELATION TO 'what', EXACTLY?

In other words are you going to PROVIDE a DEFINITION of 'what' so-called 'human progress' even is, EIXACTLY?

If no, then WHY NOT?

Not everything is "only forward".

Like 'what', EXACTLY?

Sometimes it's one-step forward, two-steps back, as it seems in my life time.

IN RELATION TO 'what', EXACTLY?

The Quality of Life was definitely better for most people, in the early 00s, 90s, 80s, 70s, etc.

HOW, EXACTLY?

The American 'Golden Age' seems to be dwindling for most, as the middle class has stagnated, and is being dried up by rising economic Inflation.

Could 'this one's' views BECOME MORE NARROWED?

Whether you are positive and have faith in the future, or negative and doubtful, let's delve into the next millennium here.

So, WHY do you NOT START in so-called 'delving into the next millennium', here?

you, SUPPOSEDLY, want to talk about the next millennium but you do NOT ACTUALLY talk NOR speak about 'it'.

[Age]

To begin this thread and topic... let's use the relevant matter of 'Determinism vs. Free-Will' debates.

A PERFECT example of WHY there is NO progress' among human beings, in the days when this is being written, is because of things like OPPOSING VIEWS and DEBATING.

In my lifetime, Americans were generally optimistic, and generally believed Americans/Westerners were 'Free' compared to the Soviet Union, Eastern Civilization, which was 'Unfree'.

Again, ANOTHER example of just how NARROWED and CLOSED some people really ARE, and WERE.

Furthermore, Americans led the way in "Civil Rights" and ending chattel slavery.

LOL It may well come to light that "americans" were the ONLY ones left CAUSING and CREATING 'chattel slavery'. So, one would HOPE that "americans" FINALLY GREW UP, and MOVED ON and ALONG.

LOL Being the LAST to 'end chattel slavery' is NOT 'leading' 'the way'. Also, if "americans" were the only ones left STILL WITH 'chattel slavery', then ending 'that' is, ALSO, NOT 'leading' 'the way'. "americans" were, AGAIN, just the LAST to END 'SUPERIORITY and VIOLENT WAYS'. As "americans" can, STILL, be SEEN as being AT THE END, DRAGGING BEHIND, the LAST, and VERY SLOW TO CATCH UP, to the rest of 'us', in the days when this is being written.

Protestant Enlightenment values dominated American and Western Culture. But these are changing. Westerners are no longer as Optimistic as before.

So-called 'optimistic' IN REGARDS TO 'what', EXACTLY?

And "DEI" has replaced the 90s notion of "Human Equality". So Western values are changing rapidly.

This bleeds over into the matter of Free-Will.

If you say and BELIEVE so/

Less and less Westerners believe in Free-Will, or, that Westerners are 'Free'.

And, you KNOW 'this' HOW, EXACTLY?

WHERE did you get the STATISTICS, here, FROM, EXACTLY?

Also, are you even CAPABLE OF PROVIDING A DEFINITION FOR the "westerner" word, here?

And, A DEFINITION that EACH and EVERY one COULD AGREE WITH?

If no, then WHY introduce A WORD that you can NOT back up and support?

Now cynicism and negativity, nihilism, have replaced the previously Optimistic generations, and belief in 'Free-Will' is much rarer.

There is NO correlation between 'cynicism', 'negativity', 'nihilism', nor 'optimism' in relation to BELIEF, or NON BELIEF in 'free will'.

In fact you could NOT even EXPLAIN what 'BELIEF IN FREE WILL' even ACTUALLY MEANS and IS REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

As you WILL, in the future, PROVE me ABSOLUTELY True, here.

So I perceive these Determinism debates as the primary indicator of the greater, generalized attitude, of Western Culture and Values.

SO WHAT?

What you PERCEIVE, OBVIOUSLY, CERTAINLY DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO ALIGN WITH what IS ACTUALLY True AND Right, in Life, AT ALL.

Why is this?

WHY you PERCEIVE what you do, here, is, FIRSTLY, BECAUSE of your NARROWED or CLOSED VIEW and PERSPECTIVE, here. But, SECONDLY, and on a DEEPER LEVEL or PERSPECTIVE WHY you PERCEIVE what you do, here, is ULTIMATELY BECAUSE of your 'past experiences' ONLY and FULLY.

Why have Westerners lost their Optimism?

WHY do you CLAIM such Truly ABSURD and RIDICULOUS things?

AGAIN, BECAUSE of your OWN previous 'past experiences'.

Is it because the Quality-Of-Life has dropped?

NOTICE HOW MANY TIMES 'this one' just ALLUDES to things, based on NOTHING MORE than it ALREADY GAINED and PRE-EXISTING HELD ONTO BELIEFS and PRESUMPTIONS, ONLY, while NEVER PROVIDING ANY ACTUAL thing that backs up and supports what is just its BELIEF, ONLY. Let alone it EVER PROVIDING ANY ACTUAL PROOF. LOL 'LOOK AT' what it even actually DOES, it NEVER STATES what its views, beliefs, and claims are even IN RELATION TO, EXACTLY. LOL Just STATING 'quality-of-life has dropped' is about as PRECISE as SAYING and STATING 'quality-of-life has risen'.

LOL IN RELATION TO 'what', EXACTLY?

Is it because of some type of cultural blowback or schism?

Could it be BECAUSE of CLOSED or NARROWED perspectives and/or fields of viewing?

Is the United States no longer the 'Star' of the world?

Just for your information, ONLY, the laughably called " 'united states' of america" NEVER WAS the 'star' of ABSOLUTELY ANY thing.

Aren't people now looking for better opportunities, elsewhere?

Some of you people, when this was being written were looking for better opportunities, elsewhere.

For example some are looking to GET 'more money' FROM others, ANYWHERE and in ANYWAY. See, some of the people, BACK when this was being written, were NEVER 'happy', and it would NOT matter HOW MUCH money that they HAD. They, STILL, WANTED MORE, and MORE. And, it did NOT matter one iota TO 'them' that they were HARMING, HURTING, and STEALING FROM, others, AT ALL. They just WANTED MORE, and MORE.

Is there an alternative?

YES.

Should there be an alternative?

ANOTHER NONSENSICAL QUESTION.

How about off-planet?

What about so-called 'off-planet'?

Obviously if one BELIEVES that it could OBTAIN MORE money by going 'off-planet', then they WILL try to GO so-called 'off-planet'. Or, more correctly 'they', "themselves", personally NOT go 'off-planet'. However, they WILL KEEP ATTEMPTING TO DECEIVE 'others' in them going 'off-planet' if they BELIEVE that they can OBTAIN MORE money, from 'it', somehow.

How about space exploration, led by Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos?

What about it?

Is it NOT OBVIOUS they are WANTING TO OBTAIN MORE money, in ANY WAY/S that they can?

Are there non-Americans who lead rocket science and space exploration?

What do you think?

Do you REALLY BELIEVE that there is NO so-called "non american" who is doing or has done 'rocket science' and 'space exploration'?

And, what do you mean by 'lead', here, EXACTLY?

LOL 'The ones' WITH 'their names' getting SPREAD AROUND are NOT NECESSARILY 'the ones' who are ACTUALLY DOING the 'rocket science' NOR the 'space exploration' AT ALL.

How will all these play-out?

Some might SAY, EXACTLY HOW they ARE ALL DETERMINED TO.

Who will "Win", the coming decades...the coming Centuries?

LOL There is NO ACTUAL 'winning' NOR 'losing', in Life.

And, for those who think or BELIEVE there IS, then 'they' are just FAR BEHIND, and GETTING FURTHER BEHIND.

[Age]

This thread will be devoted to Philosophy of The Future!

...specifically, the next 1000 years. For my time on this forum, and most other online philosophy forums, most posts and thoughts are directed toward the Past. Few are directed toward the Present (mostly Politics). But least of all, are directed toward the Future.

95% of my posts are directed to the future [50, 75, 100 or later].

But, some of your words in your posts are MANY MORE years than those numbers FURTHER BACK.

Most of my proposals involved the rewiring of the brain and that cannot be realized immediately even in the near future.

LOL What you call 'rewiring', is just you WANTING others to ACCEPT and AGREE WITH what could be called the FAULTY False, and/or Wrong wiring within 'that brain'.

your proposals involve the rewiring of the brain to be the EXACT SAME WIRING as IN 'that brain'. Which, OBVIOUSLY and VERY CLEARLY, would be ABSOLUTELY CATASTROPHIC, for the future of humanity AND human kind.

[Age]

This bleeds over into the matter of Free-Will. Less and less Westerners believe in Free-Will, or, that Westerners are 'Free'. Now cynicism and negativity, nihilism, have replaced the previously Optimistic generations, and belief in 'Free-Will' is much rarer. So I perceive these Determinism debates as the primary indicator of the greater, generalized attitude, of Western Culture and Values.

Why is this? Why have Westerners lost their Optimism? Is it because the Quality-Of-Life has dropped? Is it because of some type of cultural blowback or schism? Is the United States no longer the 'Star' of the world? Aren't people now looking for better opportunities, elsewhere? Is there an alternative? Should there be an alternative? How about off-planet? How about space exploration, led by Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos? Are there non-Americans who lead rocket science and space exploration?

Your post has nothing to do with free-will. In fact you don't seem to understand the difference between free-will and free(dom).

You either always have free-will or you never have free-will, depending entirely on how the universe works. It has nothing to do with politics, cynicism, negativity, optimism, DEI, immigration, etc. And your beliefs about it don't change it.

Example : If you are in prison, you are not free (to leave), but you have free-will. (Assuming free-will is the governing principle in the universe)

'The way' you human beings, here, in this forum, so-call 'argue', then 'out-competing' 'that' is NOT VERY HARD AT ALL, REALLY.

As "phyllo" has just SHOWN and PROVED, AGAIN, IN RELATION TO "wizard22's" ATTEMPT AT 'arguing'.

[Age]

I'd have to assume the popularity of the major religions will continue the downward trend. Possibly Christianity most of all, because Christianity compared to say Islam is apparently more tolerant of free thought

LOL Just as long as you BELIEVE IN "jesus christ" and God, ONLY. Otherwise you can NOT live in peace and harmony, here on earth, nor in heaven.

So, you can HAVE 'free thought', just AS LONG AS you are thinking 'THE WAY' that 'we' TELL you TO. Otherwise, you WILL GO TO hell, and, WILL LIVE IN pain, suffering, AND torment.

- ironically a (relative) virtue of Christianity will lead to the reduced numbers.

By 1000 years from now, there will be far more people agreeing that at least some AIs are sentient and maybe deserve something like human rights.

Okay. But, will you human beings be deserving of ANY 'robot rights'?

Whether the ais available then will *actually be sentient* will still be debatable.

Well going by the so-called 'progress' of you human beings, who have been 'debating' OVER the EXACT SAME things for thousands of years, ALREADY, hitherto when this is being written, what this one says and claims, here, may well be VERY True, indeed.

People might even get cancelled here and there for having the wrong opinion on ai sentience.

And what even IS the Right opinion on so-called 'artificial intelligence sentience', EXACTLY?