More Determinism = More Free-Will???

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bahman
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Re: More Determinism = More Free-Will???

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Fairy wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:24 am
Belinda wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:19 am
Fairy wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:51 am

But he did include the notion of involuntary movement which suggests control is only an artificial human construct.

I'm also sure that most philosophers on this forum understand the concept of what is a nervous system and how it works.
Yes, indeed he did. But when he said "involuntary" he did not differentiate between spinal reflexes for instance and automatic reactions that can be inhibited. Second stage labour pains for instance are so intense that I doubt if any woman can inhibit bearing down. However in a pathological nervous condition called dyskinesia the involuntary movements can sometimes be inhibited.
The point is, it's all you anyway. It's all the illusion of control where there is none. I think Bahman is on that level of understanding, he'll have to clarify.
I think I was clear. You can resist emptying your bladder until you have no control over it! :mrgreen:
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Re: More Determinism = More Free-Will???

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bahman wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:22 pm
Fairy wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:24 am
Belinda wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:19 am
Yes, indeed he did. But when he said "involuntary" he did not differentiate between spinal reflexes for instance and automatic reactions that can be inhibited. Second stage labour pains for instance are so intense that I doubt if any woman can inhibit bearing down. However in a pathological nervous condition called dyskinesia the involuntary movements can sometimes be inhibited.
The point is, it's all you anyway. It's all the illusion of control where there is none. I think Bahman is on that level of understanding, he'll have to clarify.
I think I was clear. You can resist emptying your bladder until you have no control over it! :mrgreen:
Yes, that's exactly how I interpreted what you said, meant. :)
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