Can the Religious Be Trusted?

[accelafine]

Just had to google 'tea bagging'. Thanks fishpi. Now I have that ugly vision in my head

[attofishpi]

Just had to google 'tea bagging'. Thanks fishpi. Now I have that ugly vision in my head

I heard about it some years ago. Some idiots in the office that watched that dumb arse show "Big Brother" were going on about it, actually I think it made the news. The guy did it on some black & white footage to some other guy that was asleep.

Sorry if I've upset your heartthrob though, he'll get over it.

...ooonooo look at this:- "Your response is a complete deflection, and frankly, it's exhausting to see you persist in avoiding accountability for your own words by resorting to childish humor."

He can't spell!

[accelafine]

Just had to google 'tea bagging'. Thanks fishpi. Now I have that ugly vision in my head

I heard about it some years ago. Some idiots in the office that watched that dumb arse show "Big Brother" were going on about it, actually I think it made the news. The guy did it on some black & white footage to some other guy that was asleep.

Sorry if I've upset your heartthrob though, he'll get over it.

...ooonooo look at this:- "Your response is a complete deflection, and frankly, it's exhausting to see you persist in avoiding accountability for your own words by resorting to childish humor."

He can't spell!

He must be American. No one's perfect. And yes, it was a really weird thing for you to suddenly come out with. Do you think that's normal? Or is it another symptom of your schizophrenia?

[henry quirk]

There he goes again...

drop the immaturity, stop deflecting

...ignoring the essential contradiction.

If this...

your brain is a deterministic machine, operating under the same unyielding physical laws as a rock rolling downhill. You don’t control your thoughts, your desires, or your decisions. You are driven by a cascade of external inputs, biological processes, and environmental stimuli—all of which you neither initiated nor directed.

...is true, then, scolding another for immaturity and deflection is as silly as scolding a rock for rollin' to the left instead of the right.

[Belinda]

Just had to google 'tea bagging'. Thanks fishpi. Now I have that ugly vision in my head

I heard about it some years ago. Some idiots in the office that watched that dumb arse show "Big Brother" were going on about it, actually I think it made the news. The guy did it on some black & white footage to some other guy that was asleep.

Sorry if I've upset your heartthrob though, he'll get over it.

Atto, please stop defiling the conversation with obscene images. Obviously you cannot be forced to stop because we must maintain freedom of speech. However strewing obscenities around the conversation is a public nuisance. Is being a public nuisance really what you want to do?

[attofishpi]

I can't believe you are so upset with me when since the Big Bang to now I had no choice in the matter. You can't punish me like this BigMike, it truly hurts (ok, that's a lie).

Why you bring sex into the discussion is beyond me.

The fact remains that I don't know whether I have ever been tea-bagged (as a result of The Big Bang). Apparently it usually happens to the victim when one is asleep. Nobody's ever admitted to me that they had tea-bagged me. You are very upset about this, to the extent that perhaps, just maybe you had a bastard of a friend actually admit to doing it to you. If you want to talk about it, we are all here for you Mike. Thank GOD that the Big Bang made me such a considerate, yet extremely immature gentleman.

Your response is a complete deflection, and frankly, it's exhausting to see you persist in avoiding accountability for your own words by resorting to childish humor. Let me clarify something: this isn’t about being “upset.” It’s about pointing out behavior that derails meaningful discourse and reduces complex discussions to cheap attempts at humor that do nothing but waste time.

You claim that determinism absolves you of responsibility because, "since the Big Bang," you had no choice in the matter. Let’s address that, too. Determinism explains why people behave as they do based on prior causes—upbringing, environment, experiences—but it doesn’t remove the possibility of introspection, growth, or self-awareness. Even within a deterministic framework, people have the capacity to reflect on their actions and recognize when they’re crossing boundaries.

What’s especially troubling is your repeated insistence on introducing perverse or irrelevant commentary into what was intended to be an intellectual discussion. The fact that this response comes so naturally to you raises serious questions about the forces that shaped your behavior. Are you trying to deflect attention from your inability to engage seriously, or are these responses simply what your mind defaults to under pressure? Either way, it’s a clear sign that something in your past—your environment, your social interactions, or your upbringing—has wired you to seek attention through provocation rather than meaningful contribution.

If you truly want to continue this conversation, then drop the immaturity, stop deflecting, and engage in a way that respects the intellectual effort being put into this exchange. Otherwise, you’re just proving my earlier point: when someone can’t rise to the level of the discussion, they try to bring everyone else down to theirs. Don’t let that be the legacy of your contributions here.

Yes, that too. However besides the defensiveness, there was a genuine seeking .

Belinda, although I appreciate you attempting to take me seriously...there truly was no genuine 'seeking'.

Ever since BigMike made it very clear that if we are in a 1. Divine Reality or even 2. a simulation where GOD or "god" AI provides our perceivable reality and (GOD or "god") occasionally alters the course of causality, that it fails the concept of determinism.

Since I am aware that either case 1. or 2. is TRUE, I cannot therefore take this thread seriously in any way shape or form, it's BOLLOCKS (pun re tea-baggin intended)

[attofishpi]

He must be American. No one's perfect. And yes, it was a really weird thing for you to suddenly come out with. Do you think that's normal? Or is it another symptom of your schizophrenia?

What schizophrenia? I have no mental issue whatsoever - the fact that GOD fucked me around and I decided to cash in on people's insistence that I am "deluded", does not make me schizophrenic.

But seriously, you HAVE got very very big problems with your personality or at least ..some of them! Personalities Disorder, perhaps there is a plural form of the problem that you have, get it checked out!

[attofishpi]

There he goes again...

drop the immaturity, stop deflecting

...ignoring the essential contradiction.

If this...

your brain is a deterministic machine, operating under the same unyielding physical laws as a rock rolling downhill. You don’t control your thoughts, your desires, or your decisions. You are driven by a cascade of external inputs, biological processes, and environmental stimuli—all of which you neither initiated nor directed.

...is true, then, scolding another for immaturity and deflection is as silly as scolding a rock for rollin' to the left instead of the right.

Spot on Henry.

[accelafine]

''I'm not schizophrenic. All those voices in my head are just tiny people who happen to live inside my skull''

[attofishpi]

lol

[Belinda]

Your response is a complete deflection, and frankly, it's exhausting to see you persist in avoiding accountability for your own words by resorting to childish humor. Let me clarify something: this isn’t about being “upset.” It’s about pointing out behavior that derails meaningful discourse and reduces complex discussions to cheap attempts at humor that do nothing but waste time.

You claim that determinism absolves you of responsibility because, "since the Big Bang," you had no choice in the matter. Let’s address that, too. Determinism explains why people behave as they do based on prior causes—upbringing, environment, experiences—but it doesn’t remove the possibility of introspection, growth, or self-awareness. Even within a deterministic framework, people have the capacity to reflect on their actions and recognize when they’re crossing boundaries.

What’s especially troubling is your repeated insistence on introducing perverse or irrelevant commentary into what was intended to be an intellectual discussion. The fact that this response comes so naturally to you raises serious questions about the forces that shaped your behavior. Are you trying to deflect attention from your inability to engage seriously, or are these responses simply what your mind defaults to under pressure? Either way, it’s a clear sign that something in your past—your environment, your social interactions, or your upbringing—has wired you to seek attention through provocation rather than meaningful contribution.

If you truly want to continue this conversation, then drop the immaturity, stop deflecting, and engage in a way that respects the intellectual effort being put into this exchange. Otherwise, you’re just proving my earlier point: when someone can’t rise to the level of the discussion, they try to bring everyone else down to theirs. Don’t let that be the legacy of your contributions here.

Yes, that too. However besides the defensiveness, there was a genuine seeking .

Belinda, although I appreciate you attempting to take me seriously...there truly was no genuine 'seeking'.

Ever since BigMike made it very clear that if we are in a 1. Divine Reality or even 2. a simulation where GOD or "god" AI provides our perceivable reality and (GOD or "god") occasionally alters the course of causality, that it fails the concept of determinism.

Since I am aware that either case 1. or 2. is TRUE, I cannot therefore take this thread seriously in any way shape or form, it's BOLLOCKS (pun re tea-baggin intended)

I see what you feel.
I am sorry I could not explain determinism to you as I see it, as a road to personal freedom. I will not nag you any more.

[attofishpi]

I see no naggin Belinda and certainly no apology required.

[Belinda]

I see no naggin Belinda and certainly no apology required.

It's just that I feel I ought to explain a good idea as it deserves to be explained.

[henry quirk]

I am sorry I could not explain determinism to you as I see it, as a road to personal freedom.

If you see determinism as Mike does...

your brain is a deterministic machine, operating under the same unyielding physical laws as a rock rolling downhill. You don’t control your thoughts, your desires, or your decisions. You are driven by a cascade of external inputs, biological processes, and environmental stimuli—all of which you neither initiated nor directed.

...then it, determinism, cannot be a road to any freedom.

[henry quirk]

Spot on Henry.