Is England-Scotland-Ireland Dieing??

[Wizard22]

This video popped up in my suggestion list tonight: "THE UK IS DYING AND I NEED TO VENT"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzstEpSeuwU


What's going on in the British Isles?! I believe this forum (forum.philosophynow.org) is based in UK/England, correct? So what do the British people think? Is this woman deluded? Lying? What's up with her? Why should I take your word, over hers?


Here's another one that got suggested to me, about a South African also leaving to East Asia: "I Changed my Mind About America - Foreigner Shocked"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hePvgiYyhU

So are the British Isles turning into South Africa, a failed country and demography destroyed? These two accounts are, or have, fled to East Asia. I feel like the US is also headed on a downward trajectory, despite the MAGA movement's recent win. I suspect that things are "too little, too late" in the West. So these two persons, fleeing to East Asia, is that the "sign of the times"?

Is East Asia the salvation of humanity, all those who want a better life, civilization advancement, and why is it 'Hope' is dying throughout the West?

[Impenitent]

hope died with god

put your trust in collective humanity

-Imp

[Wizard22]

hope died with god

put your trust in collective humanity

-Imp

The CCP did nothing wrong!!!...???

[accelafine]

What in god's name is 'dieing'?

[Wizard22]

What in god's name is 'dieing'?

Watch the videos and find out?

I'm guessing it's the general 'feeling' of the countries.

[FlashDangerpants]

This video popped up in my suggestion list tonight: "THE UK IS DYING AND I NEED TO VENT"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzstEpSeuwU


What's going on in the British Isles?! I believe this forum (forum.philosophynow.org) is based in UK/England, correct? So what do the British people think? Is this woman deluded? Lying? What's up with her? Why should I take your word, over hers?

She's not the sharpest tool in the box mate. She spends all that time quite obviously describing how she ruined her own life in Scotland by obsessing about buying a house instead of living life. Now she's in Hong Kong and happy. Why? because in Hong Kong she is no longer putting life on hold.This video is kind of stupid.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Over the last 10 years and since I have been paying attention, what was a repressed view and discourse about “in-group preference” that was labeled as racism, has broken out of that designation and has become “acceptable thought” when before it was “forbidden thought”.

This is by Andrew Torba, an American Evangelical who holds some fairly radical ideas on the topic, and feels comfortable couching them within his Christian Evangelical religious understanding:

The debate surrounding H-1B visas and legal immigration has ignited a fiery discourse online this week, exposing a chasm that exists between two fundamentally different worldviews and value systems. The recently-turned-MAGA-five-minutes-ago corner of the Silicon Valley elite, men who champion the post-Enlightenment mindset that views nations as mere "corporations" or "sports teams," find themselves at odds with a growing movement of American citizens that yearns for a deeper, more meaningful connection to their people, place, and God.

We are told by Elon Musk his band of Silicon Valley foreigner friends that America must import more foreigners, "legally" of course, in order to win! "Winning" is not defined outside of making shareholder value go up and increasing the GDP or something. If your home is destroyed and turned into a third-world slum in the process of "winning," well that's just the cost of doing business. If you can't afford to buy a home or start a family while foreigners live like kings when they return home and arbitrage our currency for their own, well that's just a downside of "progress."

These guys have been getting dragged in the comment sections for days on this topic by the American people who are sick and tired of being cast aside for foreign labor in our own country. In response, Elon and his friends have alluded to Americans being "lazy" "unskilled" and even "retarded." After substantial pushback in the comment sections all over his own platform, Elon announced that the algorithm on X would be changing to combat this rising tide of dissent. X also started removing verification badges and locking out accounts that have been pushing back on the call for more "legal" replacement of our people. This has caused a flood of X users to join the Gab community in recent days and we welcome them with open arms to experience both freedom of speech and freedom of reach that our platform has to offer.

The Silicon Valley elite, blinded by their own intellectual arrogance and disconnected from the spiritual needs of the people, have proposed immigration policies that prioritize economic efficiency and their shareholder's interests over the well-being of Americans and the integrity of our communities and culture. Their callous approach to immigration is a direct consequence of the spiritual vacancy that characterizes their post-Enlightenment worldview, which elevates materialism above all else.

These people have lost touch with the fundamental human need for belonging, purpose, and a sense of place. They have forgotten that mass legal migration, just as much as mass illegal migration, is not merely an economic transaction but a deeply personal and spiritual transaction that involves the uprooting of communities, the loss of cultural identity, and the undermining of American citizens.

The H-1B visa program, designed to facilitate the temporary employment of foreign workers in specialty occupations, has become a lightning rod for this clash of worlds and values. Proponents argue that it is essential for driving innovation, maintaining a competitive edge in the global marketplace, and filling skills gaps in the American workforce. Detractors, meanwhile, assert that the program undermines American workers, erodes the fabric of our communities, and prioritizes economic efficiency over the spiritual and cultural well-being of our nation. The reality about the H-1B is that is provides corporations with what are essentially indentured servants who work double the hours for half the cost and literally cannot quit or change jobs or they will be sent back home. How can Americans compete with that? They can't, by design.

This debate is not merely a disagreement over policy, but a manifestation of the chasm that exists between those who have embraced the secular, materialistic worldview of the Enlightenment and those who yearn for a deeper, more meaningful connection to their people, place, and God. The Silicon Valley Sultans, who joined us only after it was evident that President Trump was going to win and it was extremely safe to do so, cannot be allowed to dictate the policy of the movement they joined five minutes ago. We don't care how much money they donated; this movement is not the private sector, and they must understand that they work for and answer to the American people first and foremost, not their corporation's shareholders.

These people have lost touch with the toil that goes into creating something real, something that will last, like our nation. They are unrooted from the soil and thus have no care for its fundamental destruction so long as they can profit from it. Corporations, websites, apps, and games come and go. Society is not built upon pixels; it is built upon the labor, love, and blood of hardworking men and women who pour their hearts into creating and building something real.

Let us not be blinded by their illusions. Let us instead turn our attention to the things that will outlast any pixel or algorithm. Let us build a better future, brick by brick, with our own two hands and with our own exceptional people. The potential for American greatness has never been higher and we do not need to look to talent pools in foreign nations in order to unlock that potential.

We must focus on constructing American manufacturing infrastructure, building hospitals that heal, homes that house, and upgrading our transportation systems to the 21st century. These are the things that will outlast any corporation, pixel, or algorithm and form the foundation of a truly great nation for decades to come.

The immigration debate is a reflection of the profound spiritual rot that permeates the post-Enlightenment mind of our so-called elites and, by extension, the broader society. We must return to the tangible and to the spiritual, to the things that truly matter. Let us not be blinded by the allure of economic efficiency and political expediency. Instead, let us turn our attention to the things and the people who will form the foundation of a truly great nation.

We must build a better future, brick by brick, with our own two hands and with our own exceptional people. The time has come for us to stand up and demand that our elected officials prioritize the well-being of Americans and the integrity of our communities and culture over the interests of multinational corporations and their shareholders. We will not stand by idly and watch the continued erosion of our country and undermining of our people in the name of the "winning" an increased GDP and shareholder value.

Our country is not a sports team. It is not a corporation. It is not an economic zone.

It is our home.

To God be the glory,

Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab.com
Christ is King

[Alexis Jacobi]

Jonathan Bowden on Rotten Structures

[accelafine]

Over the last 10 years and since I have been paying attention, what was a repressed view and discourse about “in-group preference” that was labeled as racism, has broken out of that designation and has become “acceptable thought” when before it was “forbidden thought”.

This is by Andrew Torba, an American Evangelical who holds some fairly radical ideas on the topic, and feels comfortable couching them within his Christian Evangelical religious understanding:

The debate surrounding H-1B visas and legal immigration has ignited a fiery discourse online this week, exposing a chasm that exists between two fundamentally different worldviews and value systems. The recently-turned-MAGA-five-minutes-ago corner of the Silicon Valley elite, men who champion the post-Enlightenment mindset that views nations as mere "corporations" or "sports teams," find themselves at odds with a growing movement of American citizens that yearns for a deeper, more meaningful connection to their people, place, and God.

We are told by Elon Musk his band of Silicon Valley foreigner friends that America must import more foreigners, "legally" of course, in order to win! "Winning" is not defined outside of making shareholder value go up and increasing the GDP or something. If your home is destroyed and turned into a third-world slum in the process of "winning," well that's just the cost of doing business. If you can't afford to buy a home or start a family while foreigners live like kings when they return home and arbitrage our currency for their own, well that's just a downside of "progress."

These guys have been getting dragged in the comment sections for days on this topic by the American people who are sick and tired of being cast aside for foreign labor in our own country. In response, Elon and his friends have alluded to Americans being "lazy" "unskilled" and even "retarded." After substantial pushback in the comment sections all over his own platform, Elon announced that the algorithm on X would be changing to combat this rising tide of dissent. X also started removing verification badges and locking out accounts that have been pushing back on the call for more "legal" replacement of our people. This has caused a flood of X users to join the Gab community in recent days and we welcome them with open arms to experience both freedom of speech and freedom of reach that our platform has to offer.

The Silicon Valley elite, blinded by their own intellectual arrogance and disconnected from the spiritual needs of the people, have proposed immigration policies that prioritize economic efficiency and their shareholder's interests over the well-being of Americans and the integrity of our communities and culture. Their callous approach to immigration is a direct consequence of the spiritual vacancy that characterizes their post-Enlightenment worldview, which elevates materialism above all else.

These people have lost touch with the fundamental human need for belonging, purpose, and a sense of place. They have forgotten that mass legal migration, just as much as mass illegal migration, is not merely an economic transaction but a deeply personal and spiritual transaction that involves the uprooting of communities, the loss of cultural identity, and the undermining of American citizens.

The H-1B visa program, designed to facilitate the temporary employment of foreign workers in specialty occupations, has become a lightning rod for this clash of worlds and values. Proponents argue that it is essential for driving innovation, maintaining a competitive edge in the global marketplace, and filling skills gaps in the American workforce. Detractors, meanwhile, assert that the program undermines American workers, erodes the fabric of our communities, and prioritizes economic efficiency over the spiritual and cultural well-being of our nation. The reality about the H-1B is that is provides corporations with what are essentially indentured servants who work double the hours for half the cost and literally cannot quit or change jobs or they will be sent back home. How can Americans compete with that? They can't, by design.

This debate is not merely a disagreement over policy, but a manifestation of the chasm that exists between those who have embraced the secular, materialistic worldview of the Enlightenment and those who yearn for a deeper, more meaningful connection to their people, place, and God. The Silicon Valley Sultans, who joined us only after it was evident that President Trump was going to win and it was extremely safe to do so, cannot be allowed to dictate the policy of the movement they joined five minutes ago. We don't care how much money they donated; this movement is not the private sector, and they must understand that they work for and answer to the American people first and foremost, not their corporation's shareholders.

These people have lost touch with the toil that goes into creating something real, something that will last, like our nation. They are unrooted from the soil and thus have no care for its fundamental destruction so long as they can profit from it. Corporations, websites, apps, and games come and go. Society is not built upon pixels; it is built upon the labor, love, and blood of hardworking men and women who pour their hearts into creating and building something real.

Let us not be blinded by their illusions. Let us instead turn our attention to the things that will outlast any pixel or algorithm. Let us build a better future, brick by brick, with our own two hands and with our own exceptional people. The potential for American greatness has never been higher and we do not need to look to talent pools in foreign nations in order to unlock that potential.

We must focus on constructing American manufacturing infrastructure, building hospitals that heal, homes that house, and upgrading our transportation systems to the 21st century. These are the things that will outlast any corporation, pixel, or algorithm and form the foundation of a truly great nation for decades to come.

The immigration debate is a reflection of the profound spiritual rot that permeates the post-Enlightenment mind of our so-called elites and, by extension, the broader society. We must return to the tangible and to the spiritual, to the things that truly matter. Let us not be blinded by the allure of economic efficiency and political expediency. Instead, let us turn our attention to the things and the people who will form the foundation of a truly great nation.

We must build a better future, brick by brick, with our own two hands and with our own exceptional people. The time has come for us to stand up and demand that our elected officials prioritize the well-being of Americans and the integrity of our communities and culture over the interests of multinational corporations and their shareholders. We will not stand by idly and watch the continued erosion of our country and undermining of our people in the name of the "winning" an increased GDP and shareholder value.

Our country is not a sports team. It is not a corporation. It is not an economic zone.

It is our home.

To God be the glory,

Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab.com
Christ is King

It's uncanny. Populations are being told in every 'Western' country the same thing; that they are 'lazy' and need 'foreign labour' to get anything done. That can't be mere coincidence. How did anything get done BEFORE the drive for mass immigration? It's clearly a lie. These are perfectly normal, not unpleasant jobs we are talking about. It 'just happens' that most of the immigrant labour comes from countries with extremely low wages (not necessarily poor countries). There is no shortage of builders here, as one example. There is a shortage of builders willing to work for a pittance. Sometimes even a 'pittance' in one country can seem like a fortune to someone from a different country. The 'lazy population' lie is obviously corporate-driven. Politicians are happy to play along and pretend to believe the lie because mass immigration artificially raises GDP, giving the illusion that the country has a 'growing, healthy' economy.

[FlashDangerpants]

Over the last 10 years and since I have been paying attention, what was a repressed view and discourse about “in-group preference” that was labeled as racism, has broken out of that designation and has become “acceptable thought” when before it was “forbidden thought”.

This is by Andrew Torba, an American Evangelical who holds some fairly radical ideas on the topic, and feels comfortable couching them within his Christian Evangelical religious understanding:

...
The Silicon Valley elite, blinded by their own intellectual arrogance and disconnected from the spiritual needs of the people, have proposed immigration policies that prioritize economic efficiency and their shareholder's interests over the well-being of Americans and the integrity of our communities and culture. ...

Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab.com

Bit of an undersell for Torba there. Firstly, he's in competition with Musk, as CEO of a Twitter ripoff called Gab, secondly he's a well known white-supermacist. But Gab is of course notorious as the most Nazi friendly corner of the social network world, being absolutely full of definite real Nazes rather than the beige-shirted mini-nazis we seem to have to tolerate at PN.

Anyway, the "acceptable" thought to you describe is jst old fashioned racism couched in mealy-mouthed circumlocutions such as "integrity of our communities and culture". Everybody knows what that really means, but you are all too pussy to say the actual words.

You better watch out promoting people like him btw. At the moment Veggie cares about antisemitism, so she might disapprove of you promoting the guy who posts stuff like this...

[accelafine]

They are always 'white supremacists'. Who knew that there were SO MANY of them?

BTW, isn't it wokies who hate 'Zionists' (i.e. Jewish people)? So wokies are all 'white supremacists'? That's been obvious for a very long time.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Andrew Torba’s 2nd letter (following the first which I quoted above:

Over the weekend I sent out a simple post that started a firestorm. The context of when I sent this post is important, so let’s start there. Amidst a raging week long debate about immigration all over the internet, people who were arguing in favor of hiring Americans over foreign H-1B workers were being called “racists,” myself included.

Words like “racism” have been so grossly misused and abused over the past few decades that they have lost all real meaning. They have become nothing more than weapons of political correctness, used to silence and demonize anyone who dares to dissent from the prevailing leftist orthodoxy. The term “racism” has also been specifically weaponized against White people. In its contemporary usage, “racism” is essentially synonymous with in-group preference.

Every other race and ethnic group on the planet engages in in-group preference, favoring their own kind in various aspects of life such as employment, neighborhoods, social circles, mate selection, and yes—even the church they attend. One of my favorite clips to illustrate this is the infamous Muhammad Ali “Blue birds fly with blue birds” interview.

And there is nothing wrong with this, I have no problem with other races having an in-group preference. This was the norm for every racial group for all of human history until about five minutes ago when Whites decided to embrace suicidal levels of altruism and atomized individualism. This self-destructive behavior, if not addressed, will have long-lasting effects on the future of the White race and thus Western civilization itself. We simply cannot afford being afraid to state this obvious fact out loud anymore.

My main problem is with the double standard.

When Jewish, Black, Hispanic, or Asian organization lobby for policies that benefit their communities, that is not considered “racist” by any stretch of the imagination by our society, but when Whites exhibit the same in-group preference, they are labeled as “racists” or “White supremacists.” This distortion of the term “racism” is deeply deceptive. It implies that Whites having in-group preference is inherently malicious and irrational, driven solely by a hatred of other races.

This is a gross mischaracterization. In-group preference does not necessitate a venomous animosity towards other races simply because of their ancestry. It is a natural human tendency that has served to maintain the integrity and cohesion of various communities throughout time.

Even in the supposedly “enlightened” cities of the West, we see clear examples of in-group preference and ethnic enclaves. Neighborhoods like Chinatown, Little Italy, and others are designated areas where people of a particular ethnic or cultural background tend to congregate and live together.

There is nothing inherently wrong or “racist” about this. In fact, it is a completely natural and understandable human tendency. People often feel more comfortable and at home among those who share their language, culture, and traditions. Ironically, this is especially true for immigrant communities who may feel alienated and out of place in a predominantly foreign environment.

The existence of ethnic enclaves and nations is a simple fact of life that we should accept and embrace, not demonize and pathologize. It is a reminder that, despite all our attempts to create a “colorblind” society, human beings are inherently tribal creatures who will always be drawn to those who are most like themselves.

The true significance of in-group preference lies in its role as a mechanism for survival and prosperity. When Whites fail to prioritize their own group interests, they leave themselves vulnerable to displacement, replacement, and eventual destruction at the hands of other groups that have no qualms about pursuing their own self-interests.

It is essential for Whites to recognize and understand the importance of in-group preference, not to foster hate or animosity towards other races, but to ensure the continued survival and flourishing of our people and nations. We can, should, and have every right to embrace and advocate for our own interests.

Christians today often conflate the spiritual kingdom, where believers are united in Christ, with the earthly kingdom, which is the realm of human society and government that we share with non-believers. This confusion can lead to misunderstandings and problems. In the spiritual realm, we are all part of the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:12-27). We are united by our faith in Jesus Christ and our shared identity in Him.

We are called to love and care for one another, regardless of our differences (John 13:34-35; Romans 12:10). We are also called to live according to the principles and values of the kingdom of God (Matthew 6:33; Romans 14:17).However, in the earthly realm, we live in a world that is still marked by sin and rebellion against God (Romans 3:23; Ephesians 2:1-3).

This means that there are real differences between Christians and non-believers, as well as between different nations, cultures, and people groups. These differences are not accidental, but are part of God’s plan and design for the world. Pretending that these differences can somehow be erased in the earthly realm is the folly of the egalitarian worldview. Standing idly by while God’s enemies seek to destroy these differences in favor of a uniform, utopian sameness is not acceptable.

As one example of the very real differences–even between Christians– in the civil spehre, the voting patterns of evangelical Christians in the United States exhibit a significant racial divide. While White evangelicals have consistently shown strong allegiance to the Republican Party, with approximately 85% identifying as or leaning toward Republicans, the voting behavior of Black evangelical Christians is markedly different. Historically Black Protestant denominations, which often share similar theological characteristics, overwhelmingly support Democratic candidates. In recent elections, upwards of 80-90% of Black Protestant voters have cast their ballots for Democratic candidates.

This can also be observed by the fact that majority Black, Asian, Hispanic, and White churches exist. It’s telling that despite our spiritual unity in Christ, the vast majority of us choose to worship with people who share our kinship and culture. There’s nothing wrong with this. It doesn’t mean we are any less united spiritually as brothers and sisters in Christ, but to deny that these differences and preferences exist is to deny reality itself.

We should celebrate the unique contributions that each person and people group brings to the table, recognizing that God has designed us with distinct strengths, weaknesses, and perspectives. Rather than seeking to erase our differences or pretend that none exist, we should strive to understand and appreciate them, leveraging our differences to glorify God and serve one another.

In Romans 9:3, Paul reveals the depth of his profound love and devotion to his ethnic kin, the Israelites. This verse stands as one of the most heartfelt and self-sacrificial expressions of love in the New Testament. Paul declares, “For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race.” Here, Paul conveys the extent of his anguish over the spiritual condition of his people, showing that his love for them is so intense that he would willingly endure eternal separation from Christ if it could lead to their salvation.

This sentiment echoes the heart of Christ Himself, who demonstrated sacrificial love by laying down His life for humanity, including his own people who rejected him. While Paul knows that such a wish cannot be fulfilled—since salvation is a personal matter between an individual and God—his statement reflects the deep burden he carries for the Israelites as his people. He recognizes their unique role in redemptive history, as they were entrusted with the covenants, the law, the temple worship, and the lineage of the Messiah (Romans 9:4-5). Yet, despite these blessings, many of them had rejected Christ as the fulfillment of God’s promises and they are the ones who had him killed.

Paul’s declaration also underscores the tension he experiences as a Jew who has embraced Christ. Though he is now an apostle to the Gentiles, his love for his own people has not diminished. Instead, his heart breaks over their spiritual blindness, and he yearns for their reconciliation with God. His statement is not merely a rhetorical flourish; it is a window into his deep intercessory spirit and unwavering commitment to the salvation of his people, even at great personal cost.

This passage challenges believers to examine the depth of their own love and concern for others, especially those within their own communities or ethnic groups. Paul’s example calls for a selfless, Christ-like love that prioritizes the eternal well-being of others over personal comfort or security. It is a reminder that genuine love is willing to bear great burdens for the sake of others, reflecting the heart of God, who desires that all people come to a saving knowledge of the truth (1 Timothy 2:4).

My post is not a call for hatred or division, but rather a call for White people to engage in self-preservation and the pursuit of a prosperous future for their own like everyone else. So make the choice, and it is absolutely a binary choice—you can be “racist” or you can be replaced by those who are.

Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab.com
Christ is King

[FlashDangerpants]

Andrew Torba’s 2nd letter (following the first which I quoted above:

.... So make the choice, and it is absolutely a binary choice—you can be “racist” or you can be replaced by those who are....

What a curious way that is to rebutt allegations of racism.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Anyway, the "acceptable" thought to you describe is just old fashioned racism couched in mealy-mouthed circumlocutions such as "integrity of our communities and culture". Everybody knows what that really means, but you are all too pussy to say the actual words.

I agree with Torba — conceptually — that in-group preference is not necessarily racism. But I certainly admit that there is an area of problematic interface and that a certain number of those promoting in-group preference might support their preference with literal racist ideology (or physiology as the case may be).

I also have a strong suspicion that “diversity” does not necessarily result in positive outcomes.

However, and as you notice (and you do always notice: you have a well-tuned ear!), any mention of race and country will evoke all notions associated with blood & soil. And that complex of ideas, and ideology, runs directly counter to our training in the tenets of Liberalism.

Interestingly, Bowden examines the issue “from a certain distance” and, as a Nietzschean does not feel a need to apologize for his take on the matter.

What are your thoughts on Bowden, Flash? Pure Brownshirt Nazism? Anything redeeming in his outlook?

[Alexis Jacobi]

But Gab is of course notorious as the most Nazi-friendly corner of the social network world, being absolutely full of definite real Nazis rather than the beige-shirted mini-nazis we seem to have to tolerate at PN.

I don’t know anything about Gab but I can affirm that on BitChute where I subscribe to a few radical commentators that virulent Judenhass is quite intense. Also in many of the comments on the Unz Review website.