Thought experiment

[Age]

The ship takes four years to travel that distance, which NO could soundly, validly, and logically refute. However, because absolutely EVERY thing is relative, to the observer, what APPEARS to each other observer may well be VERY DIFFERENT, but it is only when ALL three perspectives here are put together, and then 'looked at', does the ACTUAL Truth of things come-to-light.

This is HOW the IRREFUTABLE Truth of things is UNCOVERED, SEEN, and thus is REVEALED.

And, EXACTLY, as I have been SHOWING, and CLAIMING, about HOW the Mind and the brain works, what these posters here are doing in this thread is PROVING, EXACTLY, WHY these human beings, back then, took SO, SO LONG to CATCH UP with LEARNING HOW TO FIND and RECOGNIZE the ACTUAL Truths, in Life.

Just about EVERY one of them has SHUT "themselves" OFF, COMPLETELY, TO LEARNING, and UNDERSTANDING. Which was what had just become a COMMON TRAIT among older human beings, back in those times.

[Age]

As can be clearly seen, here, these people, back in the days when this was being written, had not evolved enough to even be able to do a thought experiment, let alone come to realize what this thought experiment proved True, and led to.

[Will Bouwman]

It has taken OT four years to get to and arrive at planet B. The clock was observed to change by four years, and the fact that OT roughly woke up, slept, showered, ate, had haircuts, and went to the toilet, every 24 hours just as much as it did on earth, aligns with OT having also aged by four years.

This is where you are going wrong. Even if we allow that OT's spaceship can travel at the speed of light, it is still the case that the speed of light is as fast as anything can go. Imagine then two atoms, one above the other. If they are travelling at c, there can be no interaction between them; the reason being that for any information, a photon for example, to pass from one to the other, it would have to have a vertical component to its trajectory - it has to travel further than the atoms. If the atoms are travelling at c, the photon has to exceed c, which it can't and if nothing happens between atoms, nothing happens full stop.

[Age]

It has taken OT four years to get to and arrive at planet B. The clock was observed to change by four years, and the fact that OT roughly woke up, slept, showered, ate, had haircuts, and went to the toilet, every 24 hours just as much as it did on earth, aligns with OT having also aged by four years.

This is where you are going wrong.

WHERE, exactly, am I, supposedly, going wrong. There is nothing in your following eords that applies to where I am going.

Even if we allow that OT's spaceship can travel at the speed of light, it is still the case that the speed of light is as fast as anything can go.

Every speed you human beings have reached/achieved was once seen, and believed, as the fastest you can go. Just because you BELIEVE, ABSOLUTELY, in those very few short little years that you exist for that absolutely NOTHING AT ALL in the whole Universe can go faster than the speed of light does not mean that your BELIEF is ABSOLUTELY true and right. So, how about you just WAIT, BEFORE you start MAKING ASSUMPTIONS and start JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. Obviously your pre-existing views and beliefs are affecting your ability to see CLEARLY.

Now that 'we' have WASTED 'time', once again, on this completely UNNECESSARY PART, here, which let 'us' NOT FORGET I had ALREADY ADDRESSED PREVIOUSLY, ANYWAY.

So, let 'us'.get back to the actual thought experiment itself.

Imagine then

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you want me to imagine some thing, here now, when you obviously could NOT even imagine what I presented.

two atoms, one above the other. If they are travelling at c, there can be no interaction between them; the reason being that for any information, a photon for example, to pass from one to the other, it would have to have a vertical component to its trajectory - it has to travel further than the atoms. If the atoms are travelling at c, the photon has to exceed c, which it can't and if nothing happens between atoms, nothing happens full stop.

1. I have ALREADY DEALT WITH THIS, LAST TIME YOU PRESENTED and EXPRESSED THIS. I COUNTERED what you said through EXPLANATION {Which, let 'us' NOT FORGET, you IGNORED, COMPLETELY, LAST TIME.}

2. What 'we' have here is another one who did NOT read, and comprehend and understand, the ACTUAL words that I put forth. Which is WHY this one is SO LOST, AS WELL here.

3. This one has, OBVIOUSLY, chosen to just 'cherry pick', as some would say, some words only, and then just respond to them, ONLY. Obviously it has completely and utterly MISSED the 'if' word, and the OTHER words that went along with it.

Now, for the IDIOTS who can NOT think, for "themselves", and/or can NOT do this thought experiment, by "themselves", then by all means do this thought experiment at 99.9999% the speed of light, if you like. Doing so will NOT change the OUTCOME and what it is to be SEEN, UNDERSTOOD, and LEARNT, here.

For those with THE ABILITY to LOOK AT and SEE things from a Truly INTELLIGENT perspective, then those ones will NOT see and say Truly STUPID things like, 'it will arrive almost instantly', like "atla" did.

Again, as can be clearly seen, here, these people, back in the days when this was being written, had not evolved enough to even be able to do this thought experiment, let alone come to realize what this thought experiment proved True, and led to. As "will bouwman" has just showed and further proved, for 'us' AGAIN, here, now.

[Age]

Now, if ANY one would like to have a discussion about what "will bouwman" claims, which is:

'two atoms, one above the other. If they are travelling at c, there can be no interaction between them; the reason being that for any information, a photon for example, to pass from one to the other, it would have to have a vertical component to its trajectory - it has to travel further than the atoms. If the atoms are travelling at c, the photon has to exceed c, which it can't and if nothing happens between atoms, nothing happens full stop',

Then let let 'us' have a DISCUSSION.

BUT, just make it clear that you UNDERSTAND that 'this discussion' has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the ACTUAL 'thought experiment' that I have presented, here.

I will start A discussion on the DIFFERENT TOPIC, which "will bouwman" has presented here, by just stating that "will bouwman" is looking and seeing from a VERY NARROWED perspective. But, "will bouwman" just had this because of its pre-existing BELIEFS, a d so it is, subconsciously, only WANTING to see what confirms its already existing biases.