Can the Religious Be Trusted?

[FlashDangerpants]

Do U honestly think I care about "legalities" when a group of idiots make it clear they are about to beat the shit out of me?

...further to that, YA (after all these years of having the shit kicked out of me by gangs), I don't care if they DIE ..ooonooo is that illegal?

FUCK OFF AND MEAT YOUR MAKER

So you've just publicly confessed to attempted murder. Maybe you should speak to a lawyer before you make it worse.

You should definitely be locked up both for your own and the public's safety until you respond to anti-psychotic medication and dry out your liver a little. It's obvious that you start the fights in which you also try to kill people.

Don't forget, many of us will have seen your drunken murder confession in that other thread that Rick deleted.

Why is Fish writing messages to a philosophy chat room? Not to practice his keyboard skills! He seeks to find a better way to live. Prison is not helping is it.

If you think Atto is here to get wisdom from you, you must be as mad as he is. He thinks he has a direct line to God and wants to be your source of wisdom you witless bag of ham sandwiches.

Added to that, he joined this forum in 2011 but only yesterday attempted to murder a stranger while drunk, as he always is, because he is a violent alcoholic. So if he's been searching since 2011 for a better way to live using this site as a resource, we can officially say that this site is not a working way to achieve that aim.

[henry quirk]

That’s the critical difference you keep overlooking.

If this...

Here’s the brutal truth: your brain is a deterministic machine, operating under the same unyielding physical laws as a rock rolling downhill. You don’t control your thoughts, your desires, or your decisions. You are driven by a cascade of external inputs, biological processes, and environmental stimuli—all of which you neither initiated nor directed.

...is true, then it's a difference that doesn't matter. Whatever we do -- write philosophy, debate ideas, contemplate trustworthiness, etc. -- is utterly beyond our control. All of that, and us, are part of a pattern'd motion, begun almost 14 billion years ago. Our accomplishments, our crimes, and everything in-between, all of it causally inevitable. This back & forth between us was always going to happen and always going to happen exactly as it is happening. You, the acolyte of deterministic forces; me, the knuckle-dragger: nuthin' of either us is ours. We are links in a causal chain, points of transmission for blind forces, organic matrices suffused with electricity. Meat machines. We accept inputs, we out put. We're noise-to-signal-to-noise convertors. We're just elements in the biggest heat exchange, ever. We're momentarily stable aggregates of particles.

Who we are, what we think and do, all overwhelmed by what we are, which is, rock-bottom, nuthin' at all.

Now, I don't believe a word of any of that, but you supposedly do, or should, cuz if this...

your brain is a deterministic machine, operating under the same unyielding physical laws as a rock rolling downhill. You don’t control your thoughts, your desires, or your decisions. You are driven by a cascade of external inputs, biological processes, and environmental stimuli—all of which you neither initiated nor directed.

...is true, then all that is true.

(can) faith-based reasoning can reliably lead to truth

Depends on the faith and the faith-holder.

Certainly, we know non-faith-based rationality is no reliable compass. I mean, look at you: your sterile thinkin' has you seein' us all as meat machines, which may, somehow, be of comfort to you, but most certainly is not the truth of us.

[attofishpi]

So you've just publicly confessed to attempted murder. Maybe you should speak to a lawyer before you make it worse.

You should definitely be locked up both for your own and the public's safety until you respond to anti-psychotic medication and dry out your liver a little. It's obvious that you start the fights in which you also try to kill people.

Don't forget, many of us will have seen your drunken murder confession in that other thread that Rick deleted.

Why is Fish writing messages to a philosophy chat room? Not to practice his keyboard skills! He seeks to find a better way to live. Prison is not helping is it.

If you think Atto is here to get wisdom from you,

Laugh my fucking arse off..

Apparently ATHEISTS think they have some form of WISDOM...are U fucking serious? Atheists have NO wisdom.

According to Flashpoopypants, it's OK for 5 men to state they are about to beat the shit out of me (possibly resulting in my DEATH)

...but oooonoooo, atto needs to consider the LAW when he decides to up his hand and throw one of the idiots into an oncoming truck.

[FlashDangerpants]

Why is Fish writing messages to a philosophy chat room? Not to practice his keyboard skills! He seeks to find a better way to live. Prison is not helping is it.

If you think Atto is here to get wisdom from you,

Laugh my fucking arse off..

Apparently ATHEISTS think they have some form of WISDOM...are U fucking serious? Atheists have NO wisdom.

According to Flashpoopypants, it's OK for 5 men to state they are about to beat the shit out of me (possibly resulting in my DEATH)

...but oooonoooo, atto needs to consider the LAW when he decides to up his hand and throw one of the idiots into an oncoming truck.

You started the fight. Nobody gets into as many fights as you claim to without being the instigator. Don't worry, we know you aren't going to accept responsibility for it, you never do that.

Thanks for underlining my point that you aren't on any search for wisdom or a better way to live though.

[Atla]

So you've just publicly confessed to attempted murder. Maybe you should speak to a lawyer before you make it worse.

You should definitely be locked up both for your own and the public's safety until you respond to anti-psychotic medication and dry out your liver a little. It's obvious that you start the fights in which you also try to kill people.

Don't forget, many of us will have seen your drunken murder confession in that other thread that Rick deleted.

Why is Fish writing messages to a philosophy chat room? Not to practice his keyboard skills! He seeks to find a better way to live. Prison is not helping is it.

If you think Atto is here to get wisdom from you, you must be as mad as he is. He thinks he has a direct line to God and wants to be your source of wisdom you witless bag of ham sandwiches.

Added to that, he joined this forum in 2011 but only yesterday attempted to murder a stranger while drunk, as he always is, because he is a violent alcoholic. So if he's been searching since 2011 for a better way to live using this site as a resource, we can officially say that this site is not a working way to achieve that aim.

We know it's over for someone when Belinda starts taking his side, starts saying nice things about him. A million insults are nothing compared to that.

[attofishpi]

If you think Atto is here to get wisdom from you,

Laugh my fucking arse off..

Apparently ATHEISTS think they have some form of WISDOM...are U fucking serious? Atheists have NO wisdom.

According to Flashpoopypants, it's OK for 5 men to state they are about to beat the shit out of me (possibly resulting in my DEATH)

...but oooonoooo, atto needs to consider the LAW when he decides to up his hand and throw one of the idiots into an oncoming truck.

You started the fight.

U R a LIAR (again).

I walked out of a food shop (yiros in hand) and 5 dickheads insisted to me that my bottle of coca-cola and yiros was theirs for the taking,


..and just to put things into perspective (today) ...I had to phone the disabled ol' fella that lives around the corner to tell him Christmas day lunch isn't happening since some idiots fucked my leg up and I cannot wheel him to my place..and cook a Christmas dinner.

[Alexis Jacobi]

This is all fascinating, I admit, but I am still stuck in the problem of discerning if and why BigMike is best understood as “a logician trespassing on philosophic ground” and for thus applying principles only applicable in mathematics to philosophic questions and concerns, and for that reason going far astray in both realms?

(I am not however saying that I don’t wish to kill anyone — or everyone! — so please don’t misunderstand.)

[Alexis Jacobi]

My own view is, naturally, that intellectual man requires an anchor, a pivot-point for his conceptual order, outside of himself and in pre-existing metaphysical or supernatural categories, and that when “mind” is mentioned, as distinct from “brain”, the real reference is to that which is metaphysical and supernatural to man.

Mike’s scientistic view, when considered closely and described as merely neuronal activity, cannot really arrive at “truth” and for that reason cannot really be trusted. It is the scientist in this domain who cannot be “trusted”!

The “discerning intellect” in man is far more than what the brain organizes as perception. “Mind” comes into relation with those invisible, non-tangible, ever- and pre-existent non-physical categories of understanding, and it is that which makes man.

BigMike’s skewed philosophical predicates actually undermine his position as a philosophy of truth. There is no truth in neuronal arrangements. It requires a genuine philosophical platform, grounded in Reality, to make truth claims about Reality. And that requires a Metaphysics, which is arrived at conceptually and through the operation of “mind”.

But mere neuronal arrangement cannot achieve this. In Mike’s world, if there is any agreement between brains, it is temporal, arbitrary, evanescent. Where does the standard lie?

BigMike seeks foundational certainty in a realm that cannot provide it! His endeavor thus mimics both religious and philosophical hope and expectation, which has provided him with a pattern for his innate religious-like and often zealous beliefs. But within his categories this cannot be attained. In fact his own predicates upend that possibility.

[FlashDangerpants]

This is all fascinating, I admit, but I am still stuck in the problem of discerning if and why BigMike is best understood as “a logician trespassing on philosophic ground”

Is he a logician? Or is he that in the same way that he's a writer (self-published, with no sales).

His argument style is strictly 'sales pitch' which would hardly be fitting of a logician, and I maintain that he learned that "<name> you raise a valid point, let's get to the bottom of X" opening ritual he uses in near every post from an NLP guide for sales drones working the phone banks at T-Mobile.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Now and with all that said, I am not opposed to considering the category of the “gyros” and linking it to the present conversation. But I do refuse Coca-Cola! I make my own kombucha and I assure you assholes it is far better.

[FlashDangerpants]

Laugh my fucking arse off..

Apparently ATHEISTS think they have some form of WISDOM...are U fucking serious? Atheists have NO wisdom.

According to Flashpoopypants, it's OK for 5 men to state they are about to beat the shit out of me (possibly resulting in my DEATH)

...but oooonoooo, atto needs to consider the LAW when he decides to up his hand and throw one of the idiots into an oncoming truck.

You started the fight.

U R a LIAR (again).

I walked out of a food shop (yiros in hand) and 5 dickheads insisted to me that my bottle of coca-cola and yiros was theirs for the taking,

Of course, there you were innocently minding your own business, when 5 hungry vagabonds set upon you to relieve you of your greasy sandwich. That's as plausible as all your other excuses for all the fights you start.

[FlashDangerpants]

Why is Fish writing messages to a philosophy chat room? Not to practice his keyboard skills! He seeks to find a better way to live. Prison is not helping is it.

If you think Atto is here to get wisdom from you, you must be as mad as he is. He thinks he has a direct line to God and wants to be your source of wisdom you witless bag of ham sandwiches.

Added to that, he joined this forum in 2011 but only yesterday attempted to murder a stranger while drunk, as he always is, because he is a violent alcoholic. So if he's been searching since 2011 for a better way to live using this site as a resource, we can officially say that this site is not a working way to achieve that aim.

We know it's over for someone when Belinda starts taking his side, starts saying nice things about him. A million insults are nothing compared to that.

She sure does love a bird with a broken wing.

[attofishpi]

You started the fight.

U R a LIAR (again).

I walked out of a food shop (yiros in hand) and 5 dickheads insisted to me that my bottle of coca-cola and yiros was theirs for the taking,


..and just to put things into perspective (today) ...I had to phone the disabled ol' fella that lives around the corner to tell him Christmas day lunch isn't happening since some idiots fucked my leg up and I cannot wheel him to my place..and cook a Christmas dinner.

Of course, there you were innocently minding your own business, when 5 hungry vagabonds set upon you to relieve you of your greasy sandwich. That's as plausible as all your other excuses for all the fights you start.

...yeah, like a pleb like u would ever have a reason to be in a city at 2am. (boring twat)..and comprehend the types of twats that atheists like you breed into the populous.

[FlashDangerpants]

U R a LIAR (again).

I walked out of a food shop (yiros in hand) and 5 dickheads insisted to me that my bottle of coca-cola and yiros was theirs for the taking,

Of course, there you were innocently minding your own business, when 5 hungry vagabonds set upon you to relieve you of your greasy sandwich. That's as plausible as all your other excuses for all the fights you start.

...yeah, like a pleb like u would ever have a reason to be in a city at 2am. (boring twat)..and comprehend the types of twats the your atheist types breed into the populous.

Probably time for you to draw a nice warm puddle of piss to sleep in and get ready for the big day tomorrow.

[attofishpi]

...oh I will insist U have no further existence ever again, considering wot GOD put me through to comprehend IT.

LIARS are shit