Pagan morality

[accelafine]

Well, if you are not the poster otherwise known here as vegetariantaxidermy nothing at all.

I have no clue where or when that thread was, but yeah, I would have said essentially the same thing.

So, you are not vegetariantaxidermy? Because that is how VT responded to Maia on Wed Oct 12, 2022 in "The lie that'll destroy women for generations" thread. To which Maia posted: "I think it's possible to judge a person's capacity for empathy and imagination by the tone of their conversation."

So, if that be the case, what's that tell us about your own capacity for empathy and imagination? If anyone epitomizes a Wokester, it's those like you who, in my opinion, insist that everyone had best wake up and agree with them about, well, so far as I can tell, everything.

If Maia is a male-pandering, traitorous, anti-science, moronic dipshit as your 'quote' indicates then she deserved all she got.

My quote reflects VT's reaction to Maia, not mine.

No wonder you creepy morons are drooling after her.

As for me drooling over her, that's just one more flagrant assumption that your "my way or the highway" mind seems incapable of jettisoning.

In fact, as I noted to iwannaplato above...

Actually, what stirs -- fascinates, intrigues -- me most about Maia is the fact that this is the first time I have ever exchanged posts with someone who is not only blind but was born blind. How on Earth does someone who comes into the world born blind come to understand the world around her...a world she has never seen? How might that [existentially] give her a frame of mind I can only perhaps come closer to understanding.

Then the part where she seems to accept my argument regarding dasein in the is/ought world but is in possession of an Intrinsic Self that enables her to transcend my own fractured and fragmented assessment of conflicting goods.

Finally, the part where she is committed to Paganism and then makes a 7-year commitment to celibacy. And she brought this up in our exchange, not me. Now, admittedly, I don't know all that can possibly be known about Pagans. But I have always connected the dots here between them [and Wiccans] and Dionysus, myself.

Or, sure, maybe in a mind as woke as yours seems to be, that's drooling.

You are insane. That's about all I can say at this point. Perhaps meds would help; or stronger ones? Plus work on your reading comprehension skills? That's always a good start.

[iambiguous]

I have no clue where or when that thread was, but yeah, I would have said essentially the same thing.

So, you are not vegetariantaxidermy? Because that is how VT responded to Maia on Wed Oct 12, 2022 in "The lie that'll destroy women for generations" thread. To which Maia posted: "I think it's possible to judge a person's capacity for empathy and imagination by the tone of their conversation."

So, if that be the case, what's that tell us about your own capacity for empathy and imagination? If anyone epitomizes a Wokester, it's those like you who, in my opinion, insist that everyone had best wake up and agree with them about, well, so far as I can tell, everything.

If Maia is a male-pandering, traitorous, anti-science, moronic dipshit as your 'quote' indicates then she deserved all she got.

My quote reflects VT's reaction to Maia, not mine.

No wonder you creepy morons are drooling after her.

As for me drooling over her, that's just one more flagrant assumption that your "my way or the highway" mind seems incapable of jettisoning.

In fact, as I noted to iwannaplato above...

Actually, what stirs -- fascinates, intrigues -- me most about Maia is the fact that this is the first time I have ever exchanged posts with someone who is not only blind but was born blind. How on Earth does someone who comes into the world born blind come to understand the world around her...a world she has never seen? How might that [existentially] give her a frame of mind I can only perhaps come closer to understanding.

Then the part where she seems to accept my argument regarding dasein in the is/ought world but is in possession of an Intrinsic Self that enables her to transcend my own fractured and fragmented assessment of conflicting goods.

Finally, the part where she is committed to Paganism and then makes a 7-year commitment to celibacy. And she brought this up in our exchange, not me. Now, admittedly, I don't know all that can possibly be known about Pagans. But I have always connected the dots here between them [and Wiccans] and Dionysus, myself.

Or, sure, maybe in a mind as woke as yours seems to be, that's drooling.

You are insane. That's about all I can say at this point. Perhaps meds would help, or stronger ones? And work on your reading comprehension skills? That's always a good start.

Of course: if you are not embarrassed being reduced down to "posts" like this one, why should I be embarrassed to suggest that you ought to be?

[accelafine]

So, you are not vegetariantaxidermy? Because that is how VT responded to Maia on Wed Oct 12, 2022 in "The lie that'll destroy women for generations" thread. To which Maia posted: "I think it's possible to judge a person's capacity for empathy and imagination by the tone of their conversation."

So, if that be the case, what's that tell us about your own capacity for empathy and imagination? If anyone epitomizes a Wokester, it's those like you who, in my opinion, insist that everyone had best wake up and agree with them about, well, so far as I can tell, everything.



My quote reflects VT's reaction to Maia, not mine.



As for me drooling over her, that's just one more flagrant assumption that your "my way or the highway" mind seems incapable of jettisoning.

In fact, as I noted to iwannaplato above...



Or, sure, maybe in a mind as woke as yours seems to be, that's drooling.

You are insane. That's about all I can say at this point. Perhaps meds would help, or stronger ones? And work on your reading comprehension skills? That's always a good start.

Of course: if you are not embarrassed being reduced down to "posts" like this one, why should I be embarrassed to suggest that you ought to be?

Stating facts is an embarrassment? You poor little man. I'm not embarrassed at all to state facts and offer kindly advice. What do you want? A 2000 word essay?

[iambiguous]

Stating facts is an embarrassment?

Okay, how about giving us what you construe to be facts about Pagan morality?

After all, this thread was created to explore that.

[promethean75]

Not so fast. First, you need to give us what you construe to be facts about what giving what someone construes to be facts about something is like. For how can Veg be clear regarding the nature of construing facts as you would see them and accept? Indeed, how might Veg construe a fact at all?

[Wizard22]

Okay, how about giving us what you construe to be facts about Pagan morality?

After all, this thread was created to explore that.

Here's a fact about Pagan Morality... this thread was made specifically to lure, bait, and entice Maia into dialogue, by which you wished to hypnotize her with your incessant Nihilism and Meaningless. You succeeded, and annoyed her away into silence. Let's welcome her back, and deter her in the future from taking you seriously ever again.

[promethean75]

Maia is meaningless now, too?

Way to go, Biggs. Great work, man, really.

[iambiguous]

Ethical Guidelines Pagans
at RE: ONLINE

Pagan ethics tend to the libertarian. There are no commandments revealed by a deity or list of precepts recommended by an enlightened teacher.

And tell me this doesn't make all the difference in the world. You can pretty much intertwine your own rendition of it into what for all practical purposes amounts to a spiritual facsimile of your own life.

Thus...

Pagans tend to dislike notions of sin and guilt as having negative effects on human flourishing. Life is to be enjoyed, in ways that respect the rights of other beings to enjoy their lives too.

Cue Dionyses? And, sure, how could that not be the best of all possible worlds? Well, at least until, in regard to one person's rendition of "human flourishing", another person finds it appalling instead. Then the part where unlike, say, hedonists or the epicureans who generally focus on seeking pleasure for its own sake, among many Pagans there's this "spiritual" component that makes it just another religion for some. But then this part...

Pagan denominations:

"Asatru, Wicca, Druidry Eclectic Paganism, Germanic Paganism, Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism, Kemetism, Polytheism, Animism, Covenant of the Goddess, Greek, Heathenism, Heathenry (new religious movement). Odinism, Stregheria."

Then this part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_paganism

Michael York characterises Pagan ethics as based on ‘honor, trust and friendship’.

Honoring and trusting what? And who to befriend and who to steer completely clear of?

Especially for Pagans who interact by and large in communities where Pagans themselves are few and far between. "What is to be done?" when their spiritual convictions are challenged by others who are not Pagans? Or even challenged by other Pagans given particular sets of circumstances.

With Maia there is an Intrinsic Self which allows her to "just know" that some things like abortion are immoral. But what of those Pagans who embrace a woman's right to choose because they "just know" intuitively, spiritually and naturally that it's moral?

https://www.learnreligions.com/abortion ... ca-2561713 :

Patti Wigington:

There’s an old adage in the Pagan community that says if you invite ten Pagans to an event, you’ll get fifteen different opinions. That’s not too far from the truth. Wiccans and Pagans are people just like everyone else, and so each will have a different perspective on current events.

While some Pagans support a woman's right to make her own reproductive decisions, others believe that terminating a pregnancy is murder.

[iambiguous]

Okay, how about giving us what you construe to be facts about Pagan morality?

After all, this thread was created to explore that.

Here's a fact about Pagan Morality... this thread was made specifically to lure, bait, and entice Maia into dialogue, by which you wished to hypnotize her with your incessant Nihilism and Meaningless. You succeeded, and annoyed her away into silence. Let's welcome her back, and deter her in the future from taking you seriously ever again.

Again, just for the record:

Actually, what stirs -- fascinates, intrigues -- me most about Maia is the fact that this is the first time I have ever exchanged posts with someone who is not only blind but was born blind. How on Earth does someone who comes into the world born blind come to understand the world around her...a world she has never seen? How might that [existentially] give her a frame of mind I can only perhaps come closer to understanding.

Then the part where she seems to accept my argument regarding dasein in the is/ought world but is in possession of an Intrinsic Self that enables her to transcend my own fractured and fragmented assessment of conflicting goods.

Finally, the part where she is committed to Paganism and then makes a 7-year commitment to celibacy. And she brought this up in our exchange, not me. Now, admittedly, I don't know all that can possibly be known about Pagans. But I have always connected the dots here between them [and Wiccans] to Dionysus, myself

Now, I have my own conjectures regarding why this might be the case. And maybe Maia will go there one day or maybe not. Or maybe she will post something here tomorrow to the effect that I am completely full of shit and have completely missed her point.

[iambiguous]

Ethical Guidelines Pagans
at RE: ONLINE

The Pagan perspective that all life is a connected part of the sacred, including all human life and all of nature, has implications for ethical thought about how Pagans interact with the world.

On the other hand, if each Pagan is in sync with Nature given his or her own Intrinsic Self, there will be countless assessments of what it means to behave ethically. And then the part whereby, as with all the rest of us, Pagans can be found all up and down the moral, political and spiritual spectrum.

And it's not for nothing, in my view, that when Pagans are portrayed in, say, movies they tend to belong to a community in which everyone is wholly in sync with whatever the "rules of behavior" are. In other words, communities predicated more on right makes might.

Some Pagans will quote what is known as the ‘Wiccan Rede’: ‘an it harm none, do what thou wilt’ (possibly coined by Doreen Valiente in 1964, and perhaps a response to Crowley’s ‘do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law’).

Still, how exactly is this calculated? Especially given the fact that in regard to any number of moral conflagrations, harm will be done no matter what behaviors are chosen. For instance, does one do greater or lesser harm when having or performing an abortion? The fetus is destroyed but it's seen by some to be only a "clump of cells". The woman is forced to give birth but it's seen by some to be her own fault for getting pregnant in the first place.

Thus...

However, harming none (which has echoes of the ahimsa of Jain, Hindu and Buddhist traditions) can put considerable limits on the notion of doing what you like.

In other words, becoming a Pagan doesn't make the real world -- a world bursting at the seams with conflicting goods -- go away. Though, sure, to the extent Pagans seek to do as little harm to others as possible that's certainly preferable to those who could not care less about what happens to others...as long as they get what they want.

Thus...

Some Pagans are vegetarian or vegan to avoid harming animals or exploiting them in any way, whereas others think eating meat is natural, but that we should be fully aware of and thankful for the life that has been sacrificed to give us nourishment. An ethic not based on codified rules is actually quite difficult as it involves making constant judgments about what is the most loving and least harmful course of action in any given case.

That's the point I raised with Maia. One way or another, "rules of behaviors" -- mores, laws -- are going to either reward or punish what we do. Then back to might makes right, right makes might or moderation, negotiation and compromise.

[accelafine]

[iambiguous]

Like that twit knows anything about anything.

Note to Maia:

I'll be the twit this time, okay?

[promethean75]

This is a trick. Veg is actually very fond of Maia and is trying to lure her back by insulting her so she'll come back and give Veg a knuckle sandwich for calling her a twit.

Don't fall for it, Maia. You just keep not posting and you'll be fine.

[accelafine]

Paedoprom thinks he's so cute and clever, with his miserable life and even more miserable mother.

[promethean75]

I'm actually not miserable yet, but i will be in a year if by then i don't have an apartment and a personal harem of hotties. I'm working on that now. Major expenses and obnoxious crypto behavior has cut into my sizely rent down-payment stash, so i need a few months to get my stacks right.

Also, the miserable troll's health is rapidly declining, so she should be dead soon, thank the gods. If i get five digits after selling this house, I'm buying a big ass boat and sailing up and down the coast like a viking pirate and I'm going to have a salty sun bleached beard like Hanks in Cast Away.