Is ChatGPT worth bothering with?

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attofishpi wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:55 pm
CIN wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:24 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:12 am Just so we're clear, this is the question asked of ChatGPT: 'is good self-recommending?'

So, according to you, that's not at all an obscure question in the field of Ethical Theory?

* bullshit *
'Obscure' is a purely subjective term. No question is either clear or obscure in itself, it merely seems clear or obscure to the person considering it. Like Flash, I don't find this question obscure; you do. All that really shows is that you haven't spent as much time thinking about questions like this as Flash and I have.
Need I point out the irony in the above? You subjectively think that yourself and Flash have given consideration to boring questions like the one you posed to an AI, more than me! (* you were correct)

I far more interested in comprehending the true nature of REAL IT Y ...to waste my time on such nonsense.
If you spoke and wrote the word properly and Correctly, then you would start to have more of a chance of comprehending the true nature of it.
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Age wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:24 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:55 pm
CIN wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:24 am
'Obscure' is a purely subjective term. No question is either clear or obscure in itself, it merely seems clear or obscure to the person considering it. Like Flash, I don't find this question obscure; you do. All that really shows is that you haven't spent as much time thinking about questions like this as Flash and I have.
Need I point out the irony in the above? You subjectively think that yourself and Flash have given consideration to boring questions like the one you posed to an AI, more than me! (* you were correct)

I far more interested in comprehending the true nature of REAL IT Y ...to waste my time on such nonsense.
If you spoke and wrote the word properly and Correctly, then you would start to have more of a chance of comprehending the true nature of it.
Wow, thanks for pointing it out. I looked it up in my dictionary, it's spelt "I'm"
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attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 5:05 am
Age wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:24 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:55 pm

Need I point out the irony in the above? You subjectively think that yourself and Flash have given consideration to boring questions like the one you posed to an AI, more than me! (* you were correct)

I far more interested in comprehending the true nature of REAL IT Y ...to waste my time on such nonsense.
If you spoke and wrote the word properly and Correctly, then you would start to have more of a chance of comprehending the true nature of it.
Wow, thanks for pointing it out. I looked it up in my dictionary, it's spelt "I'm"
LOL
LOL
LOL

ONCE AGAIN this one HAS COMPLETELY and UTTERLY MISSED what was ACTUALLY BEING TALKING ABOUT, and MEANT.
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attofishpi wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:35 pm
CIN wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:32 pm
attofishpi wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:55 pm

Need I point out the irony in the above? You subjectively think that yourself and Flash have given consideration to boring questions like the one you posed to an AI, more than me! (* you were correct)

I far more interested in comprehending the true nature of REAL IT Y ...to waste my time on such nonsense.
That's fine. You do things your way, I'll do them mine. No need for us to talk to each other again.
,

Are you sure?

Don't say things like that, you know you need me.....you're 72 :D
No, that's okay — the nurses do a good job with my medication, and tell me what my name is when I forget it. No worries. :)
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CIN wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:05 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:35 pm
CIN wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:32 pm
That's fine. You do things your way, I'll do them mine. No need for us to talk to each other again.
,

Are you sure?

Don't say things like that, you know you need me.....you're 72 :D
No, that's okay — the nurses do a good job with my medication, and tell me what my name is when I forget it. No worries. :)
..so ya caved! :)

I looooove morphine. I used to separate the codeine from the paracetamol in tablets just for the codeine (liver converts it to morphine)...but I am a good boy now.
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attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:49 am ..so ya caved! :)
You made a joke of it, which is fine. Eggcellophane, or whatever his name is, was just rude. You do rude, you get rude back.

attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:49 am I looooove morphine. I used to separate the codeine from the paracetamol in tablets just for the codeine (liver converts it to morphine)...but I am a good boy now.
Clearly some history here you're not sharing with us....

I'm strictly a strong coffee man myself. Was 8 mugs a day when I was a student, only allowed 3 cups now, doctor's orders. :(
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CIN wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:44 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:49 am ..so ya caved! :)
You made a joke of it, which is fine. Eggcellophane, or whatever his name is, was just rude. You do rude, you get rude back.

attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:49 am I looooove morphine. I used to separate the codeine from the paracetamol in tablets just for the codeine (liver converts it to morphine)...but I am a good boy now.
Clearly some history here you're not sharing with us....

I'm strictly a strong coffee man myself. Was 8 mugs a day when I was a student, only allowed 3 cups now, doctor's orders. :(
I think coffee is one of the worst drugs that's infected the planet. I used to read BBC news with a cup of tea before I started my shift - their science/tech section, there was a study done by one of the UK uni's into caffeine and when these students concluded their research ALL of them stopped drinking coffee..not sure if they also stopped tea. (*screw that, i loves a brew)

The codeine thang was a way for me to relax when GOD was pissing me off years ago.. :wink:
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CIN wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 8:37 pm I can see that AI can be useful as a tool for pointing you towards people you may not have read. I want to read Christine Korsgaard — I came across an interesting article by her a few days ago, and I've put one of her books on my Christmas wish list, though I don't know if Santa will deliver it. :)
I have one of hers on order at the moment myself - Sources of Normativity. I'm guessing from previous conversations you are probably looking at Kingdom of Ends or one of the others with more of a focus on animal rights?

Obviously I am no Kantian, but I have liked what I have seen from her in the past.
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attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:56 pm I think coffee is one of the worst drugs that's infected the planet. I used to read BBC news with a cup of tea before I started my shift - their science/tech section, there was a study done by one of the UK uni's into caffeine and when these students concluded their research ALL of them stopped drinking coffee..not sure if they also stopped tea. (*screw that, i loves a brew)
Caffeine causes my brain to try very hard to shut my eyes. This is a bit awkward if I'm driving my car.
attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:56 pm The codeine thang was a way for me to relax when GOD was pissing me off years ago.. :wink:
He and I haven't spoken much since I stopped being a Christian 58 years ago. I kinda hope he's there, but I suspect he isn't.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 2:40 pm
CIN wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 8:37 pm I can see that AI can be useful as a tool for pointing you towards people you may not have read. I want to read Christine Korsgaard — I came across an interesting article by her a few days ago, and I've put one of her books on my Christmas wish list, though I don't know if Santa will deliver it. :)
I have one of hers on order at the moment myself - Sources of Normativity. I'm guessing from previous conversations you are probably looking at Kingdom of Ends or one of the others with more of a focus on animal rights?

Obviously I am no Kantian, but I have liked what I have seen from her in the past.
Yes, she seems to be trying to extend Kantian ethics to include non-humans. This is very much my thing, though I doubt if old Manny himself would have been impressed.
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CIN wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:47 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:56 pm I think coffee is one of the worst drugs that's infected the planet. I used to read BBC news with a cup of tea before I started my shift - their science/tech section, there was a study done by one of the UK uni's into caffeine and when these students concluded their research ALL of them stopped drinking coffee..not sure if they also stopped tea. (*screw that, i loves a brew)
Caffeine causes my brain to try very hard to shut my eyes. This is a bit awkward if I'm driving my car.
Well, that's no good.
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attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:56 pm The codeine thang was a way for me to relax when GOD was pissing me off years ago.. :wink:
He and I haven't spoken much since I stopped being a Christian 58 years ago. I kinda hope he's there, but I suspect he isn't.
@ 14 years old, wow. What was your reasoning to think, Jesus didn't do any of it?
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attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:37 pm
CIN wrote:
attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:56 pm The codeine thang was a way for me to relax when GOD was pissing me off years ago.. :wink:
He and I haven't spoken much since I stopped being a Christian 58 years ago. I kinda hope he's there, but I suspect he isn't.
@ 14 years old, wow. What was your reasoning to think, Jesus didn't do any of it?
I read a book on reincarnation. It didn't make me believe in reincarnation, but it made me aware of other religions. I became an intolerable precocious teenage smartarse, always questioning whether one could believe anything any religion said. I called myself an atheist, and had huge fights with my Christian parents. Then I read philosophy at Oxford, encountered Descartes, and realised that I didn't know even enough to call myself an atheist. Since 1973 I've been an agnostic, and much more tolerant of other people's beliefs.

What is your take on religion?
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CIN wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 6:49 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:37 pm
CIN wrote: He and I haven't spoken much since I stopped being a Christian 58 years ago. I kinda hope he's there, but I suspect he isn't.
@ 14 years old, wow. What was your reasoning to think, Jesus didn't do any of it?
I read a book on reincarnation. It didn't make me believe in reincarnation, but it made me aware of other religions. I became an intolerable precocious teenage smartarse, always questioning whether one could believe anything any religion said. I called myself an atheist, and had huge fights with my Christian parents. Then I read philosophy at Oxford, encountered Descartes, and realised that I didn't know even enough to call myself an atheist. Since 1973 I've been an agnostic, and much more tolerant of other people's beliefs.

What is your take on religion?
I consider religion to be man made constructs from those that have been influenced/interacted throughout time via the divine being. Thus, the various religions formed within the cultures around the world until here and now, in the present day.

In 1997 GOD began to introduce itself to me in a rather strange way, by manipulating standard REAL IT Y..

So personally I know there is an intelligence behind the construct to our perceivable reality (thus I no longer consider myself theist)

I need to formulate my own terminology because Christian Pantheist doesn't accurately represent my standing based on 27 years of personal empirical evidence of GOD.

May I ask what form of Christianity were you born into? I was born into a Roman Catholic upbringing, but my parents were not religious in any major way - neither went to church.
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attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:45 pm
CIN wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 6:49 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:37 pm

@ 14 years old, wow. What was your reasoning to think, Jesus didn't do any of it?
I read a book on reincarnation. It didn't make me believe in reincarnation, but it made me aware of other religions. I became an intolerable precocious teenage smartarse, always questioning whether one could believe anything any religion said. I called myself an atheist, and had huge fights with my Christian parents. Then I read philosophy at Oxford, encountered Descartes, and realised that I didn't know even enough to call myself an atheist. Since 1973 I've been an agnostic, and much more tolerant of other people's beliefs.

What is your take on religion?
I consider religion to be man made constructs from those that have been influenced/interacted throughout time via the divine being. Thus, the various religions formed within the cultures around the world until here and now, in the present day.

In 1997 GOD began to introduce itself to me in a rather strange way, by manipulating standard REAL IT Y..

So personally I know there is an intelligence behind the construct to our perceivable reality (thus I no longer consider myself theist)

I need to formulate my own terminology because Christian Pantheist doesn't accurately represent my standing based on 27 years of personal empirical evidence of GOD.

May I ask what form of Christianity were you born into? I was born into a Roman Catholic upbringing, but my parents were not religious in any major way - neither went to church.
I was born into a Baptist family. We were all regular churchgoers, though from age 14 to 18 I went to church under protest.

In what way did God manipulate your reality, or is that not really something you can describe?
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CIN wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:00 am
attofishpi wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:45 pm
CIN wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 6:49 pm
I read a book on reincarnation. It didn't make me believe in reincarnation, but it made me aware of other religions. I became an intolerable precocious teenage smartarse, always questioning whether one could believe anything any religion said. I called myself an atheist, and had huge fights with my Christian parents. Then I read philosophy at Oxford, encountered Descartes, and realised that I didn't know even enough to call myself an atheist. Since 1973 I've been an agnostic, and much more tolerant of other people's beliefs.

What is your take on religion?
I consider religion to be man made constructs from those that have been influenced/interacted throughout time via the divine being. Thus, the various religions formed within the cultures around the world until here and now, in the present day.

In 1997 GOD began to introduce itself to me in a rather strange way, by manipulating standard REAL IT Y..

So personally I know there is an intelligence behind the construct to our perceivable reality (thus I no longer consider myself theist)

I need to formulate my own terminology because Christian Pantheist doesn't accurately represent my standing based on 27 years of personal empirical evidence of GOD.

May I ask what form of Christianity were you born into? I was born into a Roman Catholic upbringing, but my parents were not religious in any major way - neither went to church.
I was born into a Baptist family. We were all regular churchgoers, though from age 14 to 18 I went to church under protest.

In what way did God manipulate your reality, or is that not really something you can describe?
I just did some basic research on Baptist Church. So, did you opt for the baptism, and if so, at what age?

I only really went to church around the age of 7, our Irish neighbour walked me to church every Sunday for a while around the confirmation, where I selected St Peter (I liked Peter Pan) so Peter is part of my name now. I didn't like Church, very boring, especially because the priest was from Poland and I couldn't understand via his v strong accent. The Church did have a massive stained glass window and looked beautiful with morning Sun streaming in.

RE The manipulation of reality, a lot of it is very easy to explain. I am going to finish typing up a document to account for a lot of it to upload on the web soon. I have posted many accounts over the years on the forum (to receive the typical atheist ridicule)

The most common one I have presented often I will copy n paste from my doc (quick draft!):-

** remember, I have known GOD to exist throughout all reality since 1997.

On November 13th 2005, I climbed out of bed and the words were said to me (very loud and clear – as if someone was in my room) “Tonight, bad luck.”
I was playing cards with a bunch of lads that night, so I thought ok, maybe I am going to lose at cards. I did not lose, in fact I won a bunch of money. I staggered drunk out to a taxi, I fell asleep in the taxi and awoke to the driver forcing me to get out, miles away from where I live (we were outside a petrol station).
I sat on some grass and considered I was going to have to call another taxi. A guy and a girl approached me, the girl started yelling obscenities to me so I stood up, she then told me to “sit”, like I’m a dog! I ignored her but considered I was about to get into a fist fight with the bloke. Then I noticed the ‘man’ get a metal baseball bat from under his jacket. He broke my arm and nose. I must have blocked the bat with my arm and my arm must have ricocheted and broke my nose (certainly the bat would have made more of a mess of my face if it landed – I’d be dead even)
I must have been unconscious, but when I came to the police were there.
I ended up in hospital. After a day or two, since they were no longer giving me morphine, I decided to check-out and go home. The prescription they gave me for pain killers apparently was only valid at the hospital, so to my dismay when I got to my local chemist and could only get paracetamol and on calling the hospital – their dispensary was now closed. I was in a LOT of pain, I had pins and wires in my not so funny bone.
That night, I was in tears with the agony. Eventually, since I knew God existed, I decided to say a prayer (In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) I asked for the pain to disappear. The reply from the aether:- “Would you like me to erase that?” – to which of course I replied YES!
The pain disappeared for about 10 mins, great relief. But then eventually the pain started to return and the voice stated “Do you understand?” – to which I shouted NO! And probably called it all sorts of names. (I understand now however) Eventually, whenever I was close to finally getting to sleep, an energy would surge through my body, ensuring I was re-awoken. I said, “Who are you, are you God?” To which the reply was, “I am a sage.”

I didn’t know what a sage was (apart from a herb) so I thought about climbing out of bed and looking it up in my dictionary, as I thought this I was tapped heavily on my right knee – as in ‘right’ do that. (this was a form of communication this entity had already been doing to me for many years prior - weird way to comms)
My dictionary read re sage:- “An extremely wise person.”

** I got some answers from the sage that night - re reincarnation too. (tapped on left knee 'no' right 'right')

Oh yes, my attacker had stolen my mobile phone. When I got a replacement, my new number rather amazing, it has in the middle these numbers xxx 007 666 x (license to kill & da beast)

Rarely a day goes by that GOD/sage do not interact with me - all good now. There were reasons, I ate of the Tree of Life & kept returning to the Tree of Know_Ledge.
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