TIME to get RID OF RELIGION

[Fairy]

BTW …ic just before I pop off, did your 24740 ideas get you anywhere?

Have you reached any final conclusion as to what it is you think you are talking about?

Or, are you just still running on the spot hoping to get somewhere but going nowhere.


Baby knows nothing, baby grows old still knowing nothing, old baby died never having known anything.

Spoiler alert You cannot take your knowledge with you when you die.


Baby blank slate over and out.

See ya next time with more baby blank slate fun.

[Fairy]

Baby blank slate loves babbling about nothing, it’s the only thing baby blank slate knows anything about.

[Immanuel Can]

If I have no idea.

That's exactly what I said.

IF there's no idea worth having in what you write, I'm not at all interested. Nor, to your great surprise, will anyone else with half a brain be.

What is an idea ?

Yeah. You really don't seem to have a clue.

[Age]

I'm sorry, B, but this is simply nonsense. I know the literature that puts forward this idea, but it has always struck me as clearly nothing more than a Humanist wish-fulfillment fantasy, and a poor excuse for avoiding facing the reality of the Christ that gives any meaning to the concept of the purported "iconization."

Let me be the iconoclast here. There is no "Christ" but the real one, and He is also the only "Christ" worth having faith in. An "icon" is an invention of man, seeking means to reach the eternal...which man can never do. Icons are tools on a fool's mission. The only Christ there is, is the real Man who lived and walked the Earth. And those who think they can turn Him into an "icon" are thereby admitting that they do not know Him at all.

Well, now you know the truth about icons.

Yes, and Marilyn Monroe. One's own belly, the drug-addled balladeers, the high-priced prostitute. How tawdry, awful and shallow would we be, if we thought the mere human artifacts we worship were a substitute for the one true God? How pathetic that would be! How unworthy a substitution we would be making!

As for John Lennon, I am always bemused to think of him. However, I simply quote Elvis Costello, who once said, "Was it a millionaire who wrote, 'Imagine no possessions'?" Yes, Elvis, it was. And if he didn't know what a fool and hypocrite he was then, he knows it now. All the worse for him, I would think.

So the "icons" you mention might just be a tiny bit overrated, don't you think?

The haggis is iconic among Scottish foods. When traditional Scotsmen worship the haggis ,as once a year they do, they are not substituting the haggis for God, they are just having a bit of fun.

That's why "icon," in that context, is just a hyperbolical metaphor, and isn't at all literal.

...some people like you, Immanuel, try to describe all God's attributes....

You mean like the Bible describes God's attributes? Yes, I do agree that God has specific attributes

Yes, you BELIEVE, ABSOLUTELY, that God has the specific 'male gendered' attributes of a penis and testicles. Which goes to SHOW and PROVE just how Truly DELUDED you really are, here.

And that you can not and will not respond to TOTALLY ABSURD CLAIMS, shows and proves just how Truly IGNORANT you really are, here.

-- just as the Bible describes, actually.

And this SHOWS and PROVES just how Truly DECEIVED, and INDOCTRINATED, you really have been. Again, these people IN CULTS did NOT RECOGNIZE and were NOT AWARE that they ARE.

But of course, you don't believe in a real God, one with his own characteristics, nature and will... you just believe in the "iconic" God, of the fertile human imagination, right?

LOL
LOL
LOL

'This' coming from the VERY one who BELIEVES God is a male gendered being/creature that created the WHOLE Universe, Itself.

How do you keep "the iconic God" from becoming simply anything anybody can wish to imagine?

The IRONY here is ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS to WATCH 'play out'.

[Age]

The haggis is iconic among Scottish foods. When traditional Scotsmen worship the haggis ,as once a year they do, they are not substituting the haggis for God, they are just having a bit of fun.

That's why "icon," in that context, is just a hyperbolical metaphor, and isn't at all literal.

...some people like you, Immanuel, try to describe all God's attributes....

You mean like the Bible describes God's attributes? Yes, I do agree that God has specific attributes -- just as the Bible describes, actually. But of course, you don't believe in a real God, one with his own characteristics, nature and will... you just believe in the "iconic" God, of the fertile human imagination, right?

How do you keep "the iconic God" from becoming simply anything anybody can wish to imagine?

"The iconic God" is an absurd notion. Icons are based on things or persons, whereas God does not, never did ,merely exist , but is existence itself . Please look into the meaning of 'word' in the context of discussing God; God's word means his immutable diktat. God is a determinist's concept, to the effect that the world does truly exist as a patterned, causal, nomic , structured entity which we may discover but not invent.

God has how many names does Islam say?---- ninety -two or thereabouts ? Which is clearly a trope about how God has infinite names. That is why God has a holy prophet, Jesus Christ or Muhammad , to explain to us how to live good lives in accordance with God's holy word. Therefore God is not "anything I wish to imagine" but must be explained to me by an acceptable prophet before I even know what I am even talking about.

The Bible seems to contradict itself unless the reader reads it a historical development of God which ,including the New Testament, show how the God idea has developed through the centuries from a tribal deity to a universal deity. Consider how when Jesus entered Jerusalem in triumph he was actualising a prophecy from Isaiah. History, Immanuel, matters!

Could you control your proclivity to sarcasm please. And I'd prefer if you did not misrepresent what I write.

While it's true that any icon is an invention of man, iconography and icons are useful heuristics . The most usual application of an icon is as an aid to prayer. Symbols that attain iconic status do so for a reason and part of that reason is social need. Another part of that reason is artistic expression.

Anyway, thank you for the opportunity to express what I think about.

The bible only contradicts itself because it was written by adult males, who have obviously just presented their own misinterpretations of things.

[Age]

There is no answer for a How question…

Well, I wasn't talking to you anyway, so that's just fine.

By the way, stop asking for answers to the How

As if you are appealing to some authority that exists out there beyond your own knowledge, that doesn’t.

How long is a piece of string?

For all strings, twice the distance of half its length, but which one are you referring to, exactly?

Try to be accommodating of other’s participation in these open discussions…. This forum doesn’t belong to you exclusively, it belongs to all of us. Try being nice for once in your pompous self righteous life. It’s not that difficult.

As "immanuel can" has proved so far, it is only able to be condescending.

[Age]

That's why "icon," in that context, is just a hyperbolical metaphor, and isn't at all literal.
You mean like the Bible describes God's attributes? Yes, I do agree that God has specific attributes -- just as the Bible describes, actually. But of course, you don't believe in a real God, one with his own characteristics, nature and will... you just believe in the "iconic" God, of the fertile human imagination, right?

How do you keep "the iconic God" from becoming simply anything anybody can wish to imagine?

"The iconic God" is an absurd notion.

Well, I agree: but "the iconic Jesus" is every bit as silly an idea.

God is a determinist's concept...

Most Christians, myself included, would tell you you're wrong about that, and plainly so.

God has how many names does Islam say?

Islam says many silly things. It's almost never right, in fact.

Talk about PROVING just how INDOCTRINATED one can become.

This one ACTUALLY BELIEVES ABSOLUTELY that God is a 'male'. And, BELIEVES this ABSOLUTELY based upon NOTHING AT ALL than some words written down by "adult males".

So, OBVIOUSLY, so-called "christians" ALSO say some Truly VERY SILLY things.

History, Immanuel, matters!

It's the Christ of history I'm pointing out to you.

AGAIN this one PROVES just how ABSOLUTELY CLOSED it REALLY IS, here.

While it's true that any icon is an invention of man, iconography and icons are useful heuristics .

Very useful to the elaboration of walls, ceilings and floors, to art museums, to metaphors about morally-debased pop culture heroes and local cuisines, to various delusions, and particularly to the practices of idolatry.

Useful they are, in all those capacities...but not to faith, and not to truth.

Anyway, thank you for the opportunity to express what I think about.

You're most welcome.

See HOW this one ACTUALLY BELIEVES that the posters here in this forum, and this forum itself, REVOLVES around "immanuel can". This one BELIEVES IN its 'own superiority' SO MUCH that it ACTUALLY BELIEVES that it should be 'thanked' for what the posters, here, express.

[Age]

Well, I wasn't talking to you anyway, so that's just fine.

This is an open forum for readers to respond to.

Don’t be so condescending the world doesn’t revolve around just you and your ideas. Rude!

If you had an idea, I'd comment on it. But they above is more typical of what you've been offering lately, and it means nothing. In fact, it's just flatly untrue...and having to simply contradict an idea that's just so wrong it cannot be reformed is just really boring. It doesn't make for good conversation, at all.

I'm convinced you're capable of better.

The CONDESCENSION from this one just does NOT STOP.

But until you offer something more in keeping with what you are capable of, I have no interest in what you're writing. Why waste the time?

BUT, you FIND 'the time' to TELL people that 'they are capable of BETTER'.

I can simply say once, "This is nonsense," and it will stand for all the rest.

Could you have a MORE SUPERIORITY COMPLEX "Immanuel can"?

Not that you would ever ANSWER this, BECAUSE you are ABSOLUTELY CLOSED and an ABSOLUTE ARROGANT human being.

[Age]

This is an open forum for readers to respond to.

Don’t be so condescending the world doesn’t revolve around just you and your ideas. Rude!

If you had an idea, I'd comment on it. But they above is more typical of what you've been offering lately, and it means nothing. In fact, it's just flatly untrue...and having to simply contradict an idea that's just so wrong it cannot be reformed is just really boring. It doesn't make for good conversation, at all.

I'm convinced you're capable of better. But until you offer something more in keeping with what you are capable of, I have no interest in what you're writing. Why waste the time?

I can simply say once, "This is nonsense," and it will stand for all the rest.

Said the very annoying guy. . notice there’s always somehow one annoyingly arrogant guy with like 24739 posts who still doesn’t know what an idea is. He openly confesses I have no idea. So can’t really comment on what doesn’t exist, so his 24739 comments offer nothing either.


If I have no idea. What makes you so certain you have one?
You have no idea what an idea is do you?

Prove me wrong, or else carry on offering nothing to anyone.

What WILL BECOME BLATANTLY CLEAR is that "immanuel can" WILL NOT OFFER ANY ACTUAL thing of ANY ACTUAL IMPORTANCE, here.

[Age]

If you had an idea, I'd comment on it. But they above is more typical of what you've been offering lately, and it means nothing. In fact, it's just flatly untrue...and having to simply contradict an idea that's just so wrong it cannot be reformed is just really boring. It doesn't make for good conversation, at all.

I'm convinced you're capable of better. But until you offer something more in keeping with what you are capable of, I have no interest in what you're writing. Why waste the time?

I can simply say once, "This is nonsense," and it will stand for all the rest.

If I have no idea.

That's exactly what I said.

IF there's no idea worth having in what you write, I'm not at all interested. Nor, to your great surprise, will anyone else with half a brain be.

ONCE MORE, the CONDESCENDING and SUPERIOR ATTITUDE, ONLY, is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS. And, while providing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of ANY SIGNIFICANCE.

In fact all this one has REALLY DONE, here, is just CONTRADICT "itself", ONCE AGAIN, by CLAIMING that it is 'not interested', but still having 'enough interest' to ATTEMPT to RIDICULE and BELITTLE 'the other'.

[Age]

That's exactly what I said.

IF there's no idea worth having in what you write, I'm not at all interested. Nor, to your great surprise, will anyone else with half a brain be.

What is an idea ?

Yeah. You really don't seem to have a clue.

ANOTHER CONDESCENDING RESPONSE to JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION, which OBVIOUSLY "immanuel can" is AGAIN NOT ABLE to ANSWER, and CLARIFY.

For some one who is SO SURE of "itself" "immanuel can" REALLY DOES come across as the MOST LEAST KNOWLEDGEABLE person, and especially so when regarding 'God', "jesus christ", "christians", and 'religion'. "belinda" has expressed MORE ACTUAL Truth regarding things here in just a few short sentences in this thread than "immanuel can" has throughout this WHOLE FORUM.

[Fairy]

That's exactly what I said.

IF there's no idea worth having in what you write, I'm not at all interested. Nor, to your great surprise, will anyone else with half a brain be.

What is an idea ?

Yeah. You really don't seem to have a clue.

I’m delighted you agree.

[Fairy]

What is an idea ?

Yeah. You really don't seem to have a clue.

ANOTHER CONDESCENDING RESPONSE to JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION, which OBVIOUSLY "immanuel can" is AGAIN NOT ABLE to ANSWER, and CLARIFY.

For some one who is SO SURE of "itself" "immanuel can" REALLY DOES come across as the MOST LEAST KNOWLEDGEABLE person, and especially so when regarding 'God', "jesus christ", "christians", and 'religion'. "belinda" has expressed MORE ACTUAL Truth regarding things here in just a few short sentences in this thread than "immanuel can" has throughout this WHOLE FORUM.

IC is an imposter. He just doesn’t know it.

Well, come to think of it, he does now. Because he’ll have been made aware of it in the form of a word on this forum.

[Age]

Yeah. You really don't seem to have a clue.

ANOTHER CONDESCENDING RESPONSE to JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION, which OBVIOUSLY "immanuel can" is AGAIN NOT ABLE to ANSWER, and CLARIFY.

For some one who is SO SURE of "itself" "immanuel can" REALLY DOES come across as the MOST LEAST KNOWLEDGEABLE person, and especially so when regarding 'God', "jesus christ", "christians", and 'religion'. "belinda" has expressed MORE ACTUAL Truth regarding things here in just a few short sentences in this thread than "immanuel can" has throughout this WHOLE FORUM.

IC is an imposter. He just doesn’t know it.

Well, come to think of it, he does now. Because he’ll have been made aware of it in the form of a word on this forum.

BUT, "immanuel can" has ALREADY SHOWN and PROVED, IRREFUTABLY, that it is NOT OPEN to ANY 'words' that it does NOT WANT TO SEE and be MADE AWARE OF.