Corporation Socialism

[iambiguous]

If they can read and think, they do.

On the other hand, lots and lots of these folks...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions

...are adamant in fiercely insisting that only their own God is the One True God.

Again...it matters not a stitch. If you could do basic logic, you'd know that yourself.

Why am I wasting time... Pointing out logic to you is like trying to drill a hole in water.

Right. You refuse to explore in depth with me the extent to which William Lane Craig has successfully demonstrated historically and scientifically that a God, the God is his own Christian God here: viewtopic.php?t=40750

You wiggle, wiggle, wiggle out of addressing the points I raised above by simply insisting I'm not really pointing out anything that matters at all.

Now, it seems, you have the gall to actually suggest, what, that it is perfectly logical to believe that Jesus Christ is both the son of God and God Himself. And, in turn, perfectly logical to believe that all the folks here who are not Christians --https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions -- are wrong when, in sharing your point of view about a God, the God, they insist that it's their God and not yours. Also, that it is perfectly logical that they will all burn in Hell for eternity if they don't accept Jesus Christ as their own personal savior.

Right, henry?

[Will Bouwman]

Name a country in which the working class is better off for the government being Socialist.

The United Kingdom for one.

It's not a Socialist state.

You don't understand your own question. The working class in the UK is better off for the policies implemented by socialist governments for, among others, the reasons I listed:

Quite apart from the NHS which treats everyone, regardless of how much they have paid, we have statutory paid holiday entitlement of 5.6 weeks every year, which is not affected by sick days. We also have statutory sick pay if we are too ill to work long term. Up to 52 weeks of maternity leave, the first 39 weeks of which is paid. We pay zero income tax up to £12,570, (just over $16,000 at today's rate). Our national minimum wage is £11.44 ($14.60) per hour, more than twice the US federal minimum of $7.25 where socialism is a dirty word.

It just has a rather wildly foolish "workers' party," that can be voted out quite as easily as the Conservatives or others can be voted in.

That's called democracy.

And its economy does not run on Socialst principles.

Well, tax was originally collected by feudal lords to fund wars that only they might gain from. Any other collection of tax to fund projects that might benefit the broader population have a social element. The fact that you straw man socialism, by insisting that only what are essentially feudal states qualify as socialist, doesn't alter that.

You could as easily call it a "monarchy," -- which is to say, not really, at all, just vaguely.

For all King Charles' vagueness, he remains our monarch.

Also, you'll notice that the UK economy is presently going in the tank, and a lot of the cause of that is Socialist ideology, such as "open borders."

Overwhelmingly the key reason the UK economy is not doing as well as some others is that we decided to leave the open borders of the EU. Second to that is 14 years of Conservative government resisting investment in anything that might benefit society. Third is Liz Truss and Kwazi Kwarteng's catastrophic tax slashing mini budget of September 2022. So it absolutely is not "Socialist ideology" that is to blame; it is very much conservative ideology.

[Immanuel Can]

On the other hand, lots and lots of these folks...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions

...are adamant in fiercely insisting that only their own God is the One True God.

Again...it matters not a stitch. If you could do basic logic, you'd know that yourself.

Why am I wasting time... Pointing out logic to you is like trying to drill a hole in water.

Right.

Finally, something we agree on.

Bye.

[Immanuel Can]

It just has a rather wildly foolish "workers' party," that can be voted out quite as easily as the Conservatives or others can be voted in.

That's called democracy.

Yes, it is. It's not called "Socialism." Now you've got it.

...you straw man socialism...

Not a bit. I use the Marx-Engels definition: state ownership of the means of production.

You could as easily call it a "monarchy," -- which is to say, not really, at all, just vaguely.

For all King Charles' vagueness, he remains our monarch.

The worse for Albion.

Also, you'll notice that the UK economy is presently going in the tank, and a lot of the cause of that is Socialist ideology, such as "open borders."

Overwhelmingly the key reason the UK economy is not doing as well as some others is that we decided to leave the open borders of the EU.

Yeah, have a nice day.

[iambiguous]

Again...it matters not a stitch. If you could do basic logic, you'd know that yourself.

Why am I wasting time... Pointing out logic to you is like trying to drill a hole in water.

Right. You refuse to explore in depth with me the extent to which William Lane Craig has successfully demonstrated historically and scientifically that a God, the God is his own Christian God here: viewtopic.php?t=40750

You wiggle, wiggle, wiggle out of addressing the points I raised above by simply insisting I'm not really pointing out anything that matters at all.

Now, it seems, you have the gall to actually suggest, what, that it is perfectly logical to believe that Jesus Christ is both the son of God and God Himself. And, in turn, perfectly logical to believe that all the folks here who are not Christians --https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions -- are wrong when, in sharing your point of view about a God, the God, they insist that it's their God and not yours. Also, that it is perfectly logical that they will all burn in Hell for eternity if they don't accept Jesus Christ as their own personal savior.

Right, henry?

Finally, something we agree on.

Bye.

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle it is then.


Note to others:

Sure, you can continue to pursue corporation socialism with IC as though it has far more to do with philosophy, political science, theology and Christianity than say the stuff Marx and Engels spoke of.

On the other hand, come on, if you are not a True Christian [and IC it seems can somehow just tell] then you are Hell bound if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your own personal savior.

Now, here's IC claiming that his own commitment to the Christian God goes beyond a leap of faith, and beyond "it says so in the Bible". No, instead, he's here to assure you that there is plenty of hard historical and scientific evidence to prove that a God, the God is the Christian God.

Don't you want to be saved?

[Will Bouwman]

Also, you'll notice that the UK economy is presently going in the tank, and a lot of the cause of that is Socialist ideology, such as "open borders."

Overwhelmingly the key reason the UK economy is not doing as well as some others is that we decided to leave the open borders of the EU.

Yeah, have a nice day.

By your own definition:

I use the Marx-Engels definition: state ownership of the means of production.

"open borders" has nothing to do with "Socialist ideology." So quite clearly you do straw man socialism.
That aside, from your reaction, I take it you don't think leaving the EU has adversely affected the UK economy. Where are you getting your figures from?

[Immanuel Can]

"open borders" has nothing to do with "Socialist ideology." So quite clearly you do straw man socialism.

You move too fast. It depends on what kind of Socialism is in view: Communism, or Fascism.

Fascism is very adamant about borders, but keeps extending its own "leibensraum," apparently. But Communism is inevitably international, and aims at globalism. So "open borders" are essential to its vision. Unlike National Socialism, International Socialism (i.e. Communism) aims at the elimination of nations and nationhood, so requires the dissolution of all national borders.

I take it you don't think leaving the EU has adversely affected the UK economy.

Oh, I've never said that. But I would say this: that whatever pains it takes, it's worth it, so that England may remain free, and may remain England. In fact, England's very existence depends on not being subordinated to the insane ideologues of the EU, who are busy destroying their own countries, and will not hesitate to do the same to England. What's at stake is nothing less than national sovereignty: and whatever price must be paid for that, it's a good price.

[attofishpi]

Overwhelmingly the key reason the UK economy is not doing as well as some others is that we decided to leave the open borders of the EU.

Do you think women walking alone remain just as safe on the streets of Europe's main cities since open borders Will?

[Will Bouwman]

Fascism is very adamant about borders, but keeps extending its own "leibensraum," apparently. But Communism is inevitably international, and aims at globalism.

What does Christianity aim at?

I take it you don't think leaving the EU has adversely affected the UK economy.

Oh, I've never said that. But I would say this: that whatever pains it takes, it's worth it, so that England may remain free, and may remain England. In fact, England's very existence depends on not being subordinated to the insane ideologues of the EU, who are busy destroying their own countries, and will not hesitate to do the same to England.

Who of the ideologues of the EU do you consider insane?
You seem to be unaware that England has long been part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain (of which Scotland and Wales are also members) and Northern Ireland. Not everyone is happy with the situation; some would wish to be free of insane Westminster ideologues, including many English, but very few people think their national identity is threatened.

What's at stake is nothing less than national sovereignty: and whatever price must be paid for that, it's a good price.

Well, as the UK has demonstrated, each member state retains its absolute sovereignty in that it can decide to leave. What is at stake is how much sovereignty a nation is prepared to share in return for free access to the world's largest trading bloc.

[Immanuel Can]

Fascism is very adamant about borders, but keeps extending its own "leibensraum," apparently. But Communism is inevitably international, and aims at globalism.

What does Christianity aim at?

The sanctity of each individual.

I take it you don't think leaving the EU has adversely affected the UK economy.

Oh, I've never said that. But I would say this: that whatever pains it takes, it's worth it, so that England may remain free, and may remain England. In fact, England's very existence depends on not being subordinated to the insane ideologues of the EU, who are busy destroying their own countries, and will not hesitate to do the same to England.

Who of the ideologues of the EU do you consider insane?

The globalists. All the unelected bureaucrats who staff the whole thing, and who are more dedicated to liquidating all countries into the EU than they are to preserving any identity for any of the countries. They're just plain nuts -- but with a kind of "insanity" that is born of being ideologically-possessed (which is rather like being demon-possessed, actually, because it deprives ordinarily sane people of all capacity to reason well).

You seem to be unaware that England has long been part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain (of which Scotland and Wales are also members) and Northern Ireland.

Next, you'll assume I don't know the British Empire, too.

What is at stake is how much sovereignty a nation is prepared to share in return for free access to the world's largest trading bloc.

"Free"? Not at all. It would be access, it's true: but ever under the watchful eye and on the terms dictated by Brussels. Of course, the inducements to surrender national identity are that the Brussels gang promise it will produce much greater power, in various forms, one of which is economic, or will forward the mad, rash ideological dash towards globalization. But it will come at a terrible cost: because the unelected busybodies in Brussels will get to dictate absolutely everything about how the UK runs...whether it suits the UK or not. So while the unelected tyrants GAIN power, that same power, freedom and choice is LOST to the UK itself.

Is it worth that?

Well, if you were to think the UK is a nondescript, generic piece of land with nothing special to offer the world, maybe you'd think so. But if you think the UK is a great and distinct civilization, with its own rich tradition in culture, history, law, values, science, economics, exploration, literature, music and the various other arts, and the single greatest and most influential language cluster in all of human history, perhaps you might spare a thought for what is being lost on the way to getting entrance to the Vanity Fair of Brussels economics.

Or not. It would be up to you what you decide. But I certainly understand Englishmen and Englishwomen who are proud to be English, and who still think it's a thing worth being.

[Alexiev]

Overwhelmingly the key reason the UK economy is not doing as well as some others is that we decided to leave the open borders of the EU.

Do you think women walking alone remain just as safe on the streets of Europe's main cities since open borders Will?

A quick glance shows that homicide rates in Europe have trended downward since 1350. IN the last 70 years they have remained relatively stable.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/homi ... ern-europe

So, yes, I'd guess people (women included) are just as safe. They are certainly safer than they were during the 1940s, or during the 1990s in
Bosnia or Kosovo. Perhaps the EU has helped create this safer environment.

[Immanuel Can]

A quick glance shows that homicide rates in Europe have trended downward since 1350. IN the last 70 years they have remained relatively stable.

Er...No. And let's add this:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Rap ... _276597069

Incidentally, how do we account for the sudden, astronomical rate of sexual assaults in a place like Sweden? What has happened recently, that might account for that....hmmmmm....

[attofishpi]

Overwhelmingly the key reason the UK economy is not doing as well as some others is that we decided to leave the open borders of the EU.

Do you think women walking alone remain just as safe on the streets of Europe's main cities since open borders Will?

A quick glance shows that homicide rates in Europe have trended downward since 1350. IN the last 70 years they have remained relatively stable.

So, yes, I'd guess people (women included) are just as safe. They are certainly safer than they were during the 1940s, or during the 1990s in
Bosnia or Kosovo. Perhaps the EU has helped create this safer environment.

OMG, wot an idiot! "In comparison to the Middle Ages & the second world war.."

Immigration is a Women's Rights Issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtz4_W04yqw

GERMANY:
Germany has recently begun to acknowledge that non-Western men hold non-Western attitudes towards women, which influences their behavior. This has come as a shock to many, with some finding it surprising to hear. The IC reporting is particularly alarming.
In 2023, according to official statistics, Germany experienced a 5.5% increase in crimes compared to the previous year. The number of suspects rose by 7.3%, with 41% of those being foreigners. The foreign proportion of Germany's population is likely around 20%, which suggests a massive overrepresentation in crime rates, especially in certain types of offenses.
In terms of violent crimes, there were 214,000 incidents, marking a 15-year high, which represents an 8.6% increase. Robberies, homicides, and sex crimes all saw notable increases. Sex crimes accounted for 2.4% of all crimes. Crimes involving knives nearly tripled, and various internal analyses revealed that 80% of pickpockets, 47% of shoplifters, and 47% of burglars were foreigners. Additionally, 37% of suspects involved in sex crimes were foreigners.
For a population that makes up only 15-20% of the overall population, such high overrepresentation in these criminal categories is deeply concerning.
Between 2015 and 2023, there were 7,000 sexual assaults, ranging from groping to gang rape. Despite making up only 2.5% of the population, asylum seekers accounted for 13.1% of all sexual assault suspects in 2021. In 2023, there were 761 gang rapes in Germany, which averages to two per day. Of those, 47% of the suspects were foreigners.

ITALY:
I’ll be called a racist, but foreigners are overrepresented in violent crimes against women, which is totally true. Of course, the same is true in Germany and in Italy. In Italy, 43% of sexual assaults were committed by just 8% of the population.

[Alexiev]

Do you think women walking alone remain just as safe on the streets of Europe's main cities since open borders Will?

A quick glance shows that homicide rates in Europe have trended downward since 1350. IN the last 70 years they have remained relatively stable.

So, yes, I'd guess people (women included) are just as safe. They are certainly safer than they were during the 1940s, or during the 1990s in
Bosnia or Kosovo. Perhaps the EU has helped create this safer environment.

OMG, wot an idiot! "In comparison to the Middle Ages & the second world war.."

You don't get it, do you. Perhaps a united Europe and weakening of Nationalism is one reason Europeans are far safer now than in the past. That was the question , wasn't it?

"Do you think women...remain just as safe....?"

Well no, I don't. I think they are far safer, as does anyone with a brain.

[attofishpi]

A quick glance shows that homicide rates in Europe have trended downward since 1350. IN the last 70 years they have remained relatively stable.

So, yes, I'd guess people (women included) are just as safe. They are certainly safer than they were during the 1940s, or during the 1990s in
Bosnia or Kosovo. Perhaps the EU has helped create this safer environment.

OMG, wot an idiot! "In comparison to the Middle Ages & the second world war.."

You don't get it, do you. Perhaps a united Europe and weakening of Nationalism is one reason Europeans are far safer now than in the past. That was the question , wasn't it?

"Do you think women...remain just as safe....?"

Well no, I don't. I think they are far safer, as does anyone with a brain.

Oh, you use a brain to think do you? I wonder how an idiot like you that doesn't understand statistical data, can work out how to climb out of bed each day, let alone manage to type words onto an internet forum.