Pagan morality

[Maia]

+++Absolutely we are all part of Earth while we are alive. When we are dead our matter can return to Earth or shoot off into space. Earth might be missing some elements but that is all, rather miniscule really.

Personally, I think our 'soul' is a mere pointer within (living) matter (computer programming stuff). The GOD has made our REAL_IT_Y as efficient as possible, and I comprehend reason for that. Once the encompassing matter is dead it matters not what happens to it. Perhaps it would be a good idea to power turbines and create clean energy from our dead bodies +++

I think nature, that is, evolution, has made living things as efficient as practicable, within the limits of what was available to work with

I agree.

..but I wouldn't ascribe any intelligence or plan to this. And I certainly wouldn't use any computer analogy.

Well you'll again disagree with me, but you should. There are so many things about the nature of computers that correlate to the nature of our ability to perceive reality, apart from the elephant fact that computers have no actual ability to perceive anything - just measure and calculate, no qualia at all.

+++I understand that. Whenever I have gone to confession (about the only time I bother venturing into a church) I see some of the same people, all ready to eat and drink Christ. Rituals are rather daft. Christ stated do this in memory of me --- he didn't say do it every friggin day, week etc..

GOD is not impressed with daft people...those that are sheep and don't think for themselves.+++

The only Christian services I've ever attended are things like weddings and funerals. Personally, I wouldn't be able to find a spiritual connection stuck inside a stuffy building, but that's just me. As always, each of us is different.

Honestly I've never been inside a church and considered it 'stuffy' in any way. Houses are often stuffy, but the big old stone churches are so beautiful inside and out. I sometimes go to St Francis Xavier Cathedral (very rarely) but at the right time in the afternoon the sunlight streams through the stained glass windows, honestly if ever you have a vision in a dream I will pray that is the first one.

+++Yes, not my version. Last time I checked WIKI Pantheism is defined as having no personal attribute GOD -- basically, a Spinozan version of "GOD" ...ridiculous. So for years I considered then I must be a Panentheist which does allow for a willing personal GOD, but then GOD has to be outside of the perceivable universe - again, a logic fail.

Thus, and alas, I must redefine Pantheism to suit myself. ALL REALITY IS GOD. Whether GOD exists throughout what we perceive of the universe matters not to me -- from my empirical observations of the power of this GOD entity I can safely state in all confidence that GOD has full dominion over MY reality, ergo I believe GOD has full dominion over the reality of other minds (yours, Rick Lewis etc etc.. everyone that has conscious awareness basically).

So a basic definition of Pantheism for me is, GOD is pan reality and EXTREMELY intelligent, willing and personal beyond any comprehension laid out in any scripture. Indeed, we are biological robots when this entity wants a causal result from our being human. +++

If those beliefs work for you, that's absolutely fine.

Last time we spoke you stated that you thought I was trying to convert you - to Christianity I suppose. I am not. I tell everyone on the forum believe whatever you want, I honestly don't think that the GOD I know as the intelligence projecting our perceivable reality from below the Planck scale cares too much as to whether you believe in Christ or not.
Now that I am being a good Brian, not returning to the Tree of Know Ledge I am finally on good terms with this entity, it's lovely actually.

I love that you are into Paganism. I understand that from you perspective a church would seem stuffy where the 'church' of the Pagan is all of nature, well actually that's mine too as a Pantheist Christian. Everyday I walk my dog Donnie I marvel at the perfection of this creation, I also am the light.

What do you love about Paganism the most? I truly know very little of it and am genuinely interested in it and this Wiccan thing you mentioned?

+++Honestly I've never been inside a church and considered it 'stuffy' in any way. Houses are often stuffy, but the big old stone churches are so beautiful inside and out. I sometimes go to St Francis Xavier Cathedral (very rarely) but at the right time in the afternoon the sunlight streams through the stained glass windows, honestly if ever you have a vision in a dream I will pray that is the first one.+++

Those church services that I've attended, weddings and funerals mainly, have always been stuffy, in my experience, extremely tedious too, and spiritually dead. That, of course, is just my own experience of them, and I'm sure the experiences of others will differ. I've also visited churches, of course, when no services are taking place, especially medieval ones, as they are interesting for historical reasons, but have always felt them to be cold and lifeless.

I'm sure stained glass windows are beautiful, for those who can see, but they certainly wouldn't be my first choice, if I could choose a vision to have in a dream.

+++Last time we spoke you stated that you thought I was trying to convert you - to Christianity I suppose. I am not. I tell everyone on the forum believe whatever you want, I honestly don't think that the GOD I know as the intelligence projecting our perceivable reality from below the Planck scale cares too much as to whether you believe in Christ or not.
Now that I am being a good Brian, not returning to the Tree of Know Ledge I am finally on good terms with this entity, it's lovely actually.+++

If those are your beliefs, that's absolutely fine. They're not mine.

+++I love that you are into Paganism. I understand that from you perspective a church would seem stuffy where the 'church' of the Pagan is all of nature, well actually that's mine too as a Pantheist Christian. Everyday I walk my dog Donnie I marvel at the perfection of this creation, I also am the light.

What do you love about Paganism the most? I truly know very little of it and am genuinely interested in it and this Wiccan thing you mentioned?+++

I think the thing I love about Paganism the most is the sense of connection to the earth, to all living things, and the universe. We are all part of nature.

Wicca is a specific branch of Paganism, founded in the 1940s, that is highly structured in its organisation, drawing its inspiration from ceremonial magic and witchcraft. I used to be a member of a Wiccan coven but eventually left, as I found its formalised and ritualised nature not really to my taste.

[attofishpi]

+++Honestly I've never been inside a church and considered it 'stuffy' in any way. Houses are often stuffy, but the big old stone churches are so beautiful inside and out. I sometimes go to St Francis Xavier Cathedral (very rarely) but at the right time in the afternoon the sunlight streams through the stained glass windows, honestly if ever you have a vision in a dream I will pray that is the first one.+++

Those church services that I've attended, weddings and funerals mainly, have always been stuffy, in my experience, extremely tedious too, and spiritually dead.

The last wedding I went to was best man for an atheist friend of mine - it was weird because some woman - marriage celebrant - bla bla talking boring stuff for ages, so ya very tedious, and in a church.

I'm sure stained glass windows are beautiful, for those who can see, but they certainly wouldn't be my first choice, if I could choose a vision to have in a dream.

Well, I imagined in my mind's eye the image from within the church as I stated the prayer, so maybe you can have your own vision. Would do no harm to say some Pagan words as a prayer, even a little thought of the Christ might help if you care enough, the dude did say he is the light, up to you and no need to reply on that last bit - it's personal.

+++I love that you are into Paganism. I understand that from you perspective a church would seem stuffy where the 'church' of the Pagan is all of nature, well actually that's mine too as a Pantheist Christian. Everyday I walk my dog Donnie I marvel at the perfection of this creation, I also am the light.

What do you love about Paganism the most? I truly know very little of it and am genuinely interested in it and this Wiccan thing you mentioned?+++

I think the thing I love about Paganism the most is the sense of connection to the earth, to all living things, and the universe. We are all part of nature.

Cool, I feel the same way. I think you are in one of the best countries in the world for sensations beyond sight. My mothers favourite time of year was Autumn, going out to the New Forest and seeing all the various shades in the leaves of the trees, but beyond that, in the forest the smell of the forest has changed from the sweeter summer smell, to the damper, more Earthy smell of Autumn. Then the rustling as you crunch through the heaps of leaves..I'm missing England now!

It does make you think poetically - I bet you write awesome poems with your keen sense of other senses - you likely pick up things that the sighted overlook.

On other matters, I spoke to my friend that's a graphic designer and she is very spiritual and has many similar experiences relating to GOD or whatever she calls this being. I wanted her opinion on my website currently and one of the things that stood out to her and she was really impressed with was that my description on the front page where I talk about GOD i am not insisting that people accept my way of thinking and also refer to "it" as GOD - this intelligence.

In particular this line from my site:- "much has been revealed and it is clear that this sage has an interface to the intelligence, some refer to as God, some refer to as SIMULATION, that permits ongoing communication with Androcies."

I need to start coding for the JAWS software soon and have found some good ARIA tutorials online.

If you are interested in checking my site as it is now, without any ARIA coding for JAWS I'd be interested in finding out how much improvement there is once I embed the coding for JAWS to work with. Perhaps you could give it a rating from 0 to 20 - I'm not looking for feedback re the site content, just how you are able to perceive the content at the moment. Then once I get the site with the coding for JAWS to work with, then perhaps you could rate it again...it'd be very interesting for me to know how much improvement the ARIA coding does. Just an option, no worries if you don't have the time.
Site is: www.androcies.com

One thing I have been thinking about recently is regarding maps of countries and their shape (this is important with my paintings), do you have comprehension of the shapes of landmasses? UK & Ireland for example (everyone else reading, don't worry I am not going to bamboozle Maia with my weird shit!!)

Wicca is a specific branch of Paganism, founded in the 1940s, that is highly structured in its organisation, drawing its inspiration from ceremonial magic and witchcraft. I used to be a member of a Wiccan coven but eventually left, as I found its formalised and ritualised nature not really to my taste.

Understandable but sounds fun to maybe mix up potions and stuff. Mmm, White Rum (Bacardi), Mint, lime, soda, palm sugar - oooh what a wonderful potion! (* I call it, reveal your secrets potion )

[Maia]

+++Honestly I've never been inside a church and considered it 'stuffy' in any way. Houses are often stuffy, but the big old stone churches are so beautiful inside and out. I sometimes go to St Francis Xavier Cathedral (very rarely) but at the right time in the afternoon the sunlight streams through the stained glass windows, honestly if ever you have a vision in a dream I will pray that is the first one.+++

Those church services that I've attended, weddings and funerals mainly, have always been stuffy, in my experience, extremely tedious too, and spiritually dead.

The last wedding I went to was best man for an atheist friend of mine - it was weird because some woman - marriage celebrant - bla bla talking boring stuff for ages, so ya very tedious, and in a church.

I'm sure stained glass windows are beautiful, for those who can see, but they certainly wouldn't be my first choice, if I could choose a vision to have in a dream.

Well, I imagined in my mind's eye the image from within the church as I stated the prayer, so maybe you can have your own vision. Would do no harm to say some Pagan words as a prayer, even a little thought of the Christ might help if you care enough, the dude did say he is the light, up to you and no need to reply on that last bit - it's personal.

+++I love that you are into Paganism. I understand that from you perspective a church would seem stuffy where the 'church' of the Pagan is all of nature, well actually that's mine too as a Pantheist Christian. Everyday I walk my dog Donnie I marvel at the perfection of this creation, I also am the light.

What do you love about Paganism the most? I truly know very little of it and am genuinely interested in it and this Wiccan thing you mentioned?+++

I think the thing I love about Paganism the most is the sense of connection to the earth, to all living things, and the universe. We are all part of nature.

Cool, I feel the same way. I think you are in one of the best countries in the world for sensations beyond sight. My mothers favourite time of year was Autumn, going out to the New Forest and seeing all the various shades in the leaves of the trees, but beyond that, in the forest the smell of the forest has changed from the sweeter summer smell, to the damper, more Earthy smell of Autumn. Then the rustling as you crunch through the heaps of leaves..I'm missing England now!

It does make you think poetically - I bet you write awesome poems with your keen sense of other senses - you likely pick up things that the sighted overlook.

On other matters, I spoke to my friend that's a graphic designer and she is very spiritual and has many similar experiences relating to GOD or whatever she calls this being. I wanted her opinion on my website currently and one of the things that stood out to her and she was really impressed with was that my description on the front page where I talk about GOD i am not insisting that people accept my way of thinking and also refer to "it" as GOD - this intelligence.

In particular this line from my site:- "much has been revealed and it is clear that this sage has an interface to the intelligence, some refer to as God, some refer to as SIMULATION, that permits ongoing communication with Androcies."

I need to start coding for the JAWS software soon and have found some good ARIA tutorials online.

If you are interested in checking my site as it is now, without any ARIA coding for JAWS I'd be interested in finding out how much improvement there is once I embed the coding for JAWS to work with. Perhaps you could give it a rating from 0 to 20 - I'm not looking for feedback re the site content, just how you are able to perceive the content at the moment. Then once I get the site with the coding for JAWS to work with, then perhaps you could rate it again...it'd be very interesting for me to know how much improvement the ARIA coding does. Just an option, no worries if you don't have the time.
Site is: www.androcies.com

One thing I have been thinking about recently is regarding maps of countries and their shape (this is important with my paintings), do you have comprehension of the shapes of landmasses? UK & Ireland for example (everyone else reading, don't worry I am not going to bamboozle Maia with my weird shit!!)

Wicca is a specific branch of Paganism, founded in the 1940s, that is highly structured in its organisation, drawing its inspiration from ceremonial magic and witchcraft. I used to be a member of a Wiccan coven but eventually left, as I found its formalised and ritualised nature not really to my taste.

Understandable but sounds fun to maybe mix up potions and stuff. Mmm, White Rum (Bacardi), Mint, lime, soda, palm sugar - oooh what a wonderful potion! (* I call it, reveal your secrets potion )

+++Well, I imagined in my mind's eye the image from within the church as I stated the prayer, so maybe you can have your own vision. Would do no harm to say some Pagan words as a prayer, even a little thought of the Christ might help if you care enough, the dude did say he is the light, up to you and no need to reply on that last bit - it's personal.+++

Pagans don't say prayers. If they wish to honour a god or goddess, they will most likely make an offering, usually of food or drink.

+++Cool, I feel the same way. I think you are in one of the best countries in the world for sensations beyond sight. My mothers favourite time of year was Autumn, going out to the New Forest and seeing all the various shades in the leaves of the trees, but beyond that, in the forest the smell of the forest has changed from the sweeter summer smell, to the damper, more Earthy smell of Autumn. Then the rustling as you crunch through the heaps of leaves..I'm missing England now!+++

Autumn is indeed magical, but my favourite season is winter, especially around January. It's my favourite time of year for camping, for example. I don't like hot weather very much.

+++It does make you think poetically - I bet you write awesome poems with your keen sense of other senses - you likely pick up things that the sighted overlook.+++

I have indeed written the occasional poem, and I think I even posted one here once, then quickly deleted it out of embarrassment, mainly.

+++On other matters, I spoke to my friend that's a graphic designer and she is very spiritual and has many similar experiences relating to GOD or whatever she calls this being. I wanted her opinion on my website currently and one of the things that stood out to her and she was really impressed with was that my description on the front page where I talk about GOD i am not insisting that people accept my way of thinking and also refer to "it" as GOD - this intelligence.

In particular this line from my site:- "much has been revealed and it is clear that this sage has an interface to the intelligence, some refer to as God, some refer to as SIMULATION, that permits ongoing communication with Androcies."+++

These are not things that I feel competent to comment on, to be honest.

+++I need to start coding for the JAWS software soon and have found some good ARIA tutorials online.

If you are interested in checking my site as it is now, without any ARIA coding for JAWS I'd be interested in finding out how much improvement there is once I embed the coding for JAWS to work with. Perhaps you could give it a rating from 0 to 20 - I'm not looking for feedback re the site content, just how you are able to perceive the content at the moment. Then once I get the site with the coding for JAWS to work with, then perhaps you could rate it again...it'd be very interesting for me to know how much improvement the ARIA coding does. Just an option, no worries if you don't have the time.
Site is: www.androcies.com+++

Maybe when I have time.

+++One thing I have been thinking about recently is regarding maps of countries and their shape (this is important with my paintings), do you have comprehension of the shapes of landmasses? UK & Ireland for example (everyone else reading, don't worry I am not going to bamboozle Maia with my weird shit!!)+++

I have an embossed globe and atlases with embossed maps of the world, and the UK, all labelled in Braille.

+++Understandable but sounds fun to maybe mix up potions and stuff. Mmm, White Rum (Bacardi), Mint, lime, soda, palm sugar - oooh what a wonderful potion! (* I call it, reveal your secrets potion )+++

I used to quite like the occasional Bloody Mary, but now I just have the tomato juice with a dash of Worcester sauce and a pinch of Cayenne pepper.

[attofishpi]

If you are interested in checking my site as it is now, without any ARIA coding for JAWS I'd be interested in finding out how much improvement there is once I embed the coding for JAWS to work with. Perhaps you could give it a rating from 0 to 20 - I'm not looking for feedback re the site content, just how you are able to perceive the content at the moment. Then once I get the site with the coding for JAWS to work with, then perhaps you could rate it again...it'd be very interesting for me to know how much improvement the ARIA coding does. Just an option, no worries if you don't have the time.
Site is: www.androcies.com+++

Maybe when I have time.

No worries. I think JAWS has a free trial period so I could try that first before ARIA coding (wearing a blind fold) and then test it once coded up. Certainly you have way more comprehension as to what works or doesn't.

By the way, how does the forum go with JAWS, do you find it good or needs areas of improvement?

+++One thing I have been thinking about recently is regarding maps of countries and their shape (this is important with my paintings), do you have comprehension of the shapes of landmasses? UK & Ireland for example (everyone else reading, don't worry I am not going to bamboozle Maia with my weird shit!!)+++

I have an embossed globe and atlases with embossed maps of the world, and the UK, all labelled in Braille.

Wow..! That's been on my mind for a while. Do you own a smart phone, if so does it use any particular software for blind people?

+++Understandable but sounds fun to maybe mix up potions and stuff. Mmm, White Rum (Bacardi), Mint, lime, soda, palm sugar - oooh what a wonderful potion! (* I call it, reveal your secrets potion )+++

I used to quite like the occasional Bloody Mary, but now I just have the tomato juice with a dash of Worcester sauce and a pinch of Cayenne pepper.

..the breakfast of champions.

[Maia]

If you are interested in checking my site as it is now, without any ARIA coding for JAWS I'd be interested in finding out how much improvement there is once I embed the coding for JAWS to work with. Perhaps you could give it a rating from 0 to 20 - I'm not looking for feedback re the site content, just how you are able to perceive the content at the moment. Then once I get the site with the coding for JAWS to work with, then perhaps you could rate it again...it'd be very interesting for me to know how much improvement the ARIA coding does. Just an option, no worries if you don't have the time.
Site is: www.androcies.com+++

Maybe when I have time.

No worries. I think JAWS has a free trial period so I could try that first before ARIA coding (wearing a blind fold) and then test it once coded up. Certainly you have way more comprehension as to what works or doesn't.

By the way, how does the forum go with JAWS, do you find it good or needs areas of improvement?

+++One thing I have been thinking about recently is regarding maps of countries and their shape (this is important with my paintings), do you have comprehension of the shapes of landmasses? UK & Ireland for example (everyone else reading, don't worry I am not going to bamboozle Maia with my weird shit!!)+++

I have an embossed globe and atlases with embossed maps of the world, and the UK, all labelled in Braille.

Wow..! That's been on my mind for a while. Do you own a smart phone, if so does it use any particular software for blind people?

+++Understandable but sounds fun to maybe mix up potions and stuff. Mmm, White Rum (Bacardi), Mint, lime, soda, palm sugar - oooh what a wonderful potion! (* I call it, reveal your secrets potion )+++

I used to quite like the occasional Bloody Mary, but now I just have the tomato juice with a dash of Worcester sauce and a pinch of Cayenne pepper.

..the breakfast of champions.

This forum is pretty good with JAWS, as ILP used to be, too. But since they updated the latter, it's a bit more tricky to use, in particular, scrolling through threads. Nothing major though, and, as with everything, it's just a question of getting used to it.

It's also one of the reasons why I stopped using Facebook, namely, their constant minor updates. To be fair, though, the main reason why I stopped using it is because it's rubbish.

I do indeed have a smart phone, though rarely use it, and much prefer my laptop, for example, for anything I need to do online. While certainly not a technophobe, my attitude to technology is that I'll use it if it genuinely make a difference, but no further. I don't want to get dependent on it, any more than I have to. With regard to phones, this article from the RNIB will no doubt tell you everything you need to know.

https://www.rnib.org.uk/living-with-sig ... d-tablets/

[attofishpi]

Thank you Maia.

[iambiguous]

These Desperate Degenerates have no way to justify their infantile self-serving (subjective) views, so what they do is adopt the feminine tactic of undermining those who can justify their views. Unable to rise to the challenge, they try to tear the threat down to their level.

[attofishpi]

These Desperate Degenerates have no way to justify their infantile self-serving (subjective) views, so what they do is adopt the feminine tactic of undermining those who can justify their views. Unable to rise to the challenge, they try to tear the threat down to their level.

Talking to yourself again? Maia didn't post that, in fact nobody on the forum apart from you did...weirdo

[iambiguous]

These Desperate Degenerates have no way to justify their infantile self-serving (subjective) views, so what they do is adopt the feminine tactic of undermining those who can justify their views. Unable to rise to the challenge, they try to tear the threat down to their level.

Talking to yourself again? Maia didn't post that, in fact nobody on the forum apart from you did...weirdo

I know! Let's run this by Satyr!!

[attofishpi]

Talking to yourself again? Maia didn't post that, in fact nobody on the forum apart from you did...weirdo

I know! Let's run this by Satyr!!

Get a room with the dude, you can't stop salivating over him. I mean, wot did that quote have to do with anything in this thread?

[attofishpi]

..ah, hang on - are u suggesting Maia is Satyr? Some idiot experiment to see how a blind lady is treated?

[iambiguous]

Talking to yourself again? Maia didn't post that, in fact nobody on the forum apart from you did...weirdo

I know! Let's run this by Satyr!!

Get a room with the dude, you can't stop salivating over him. I mean, wot did that quote have to do with anything in this thread?

I KNOW! Let's RUN this BY Age!!

As for his point, I only suspect I understand it, of course. Why? Because like most things of this nature, my reaction is no less rooted existentially in dasein.

[iambiguous]

..ah, hang on - are u suggesting Maia is Satyr?

Actually, Maia once sustained an exchange with him at KTS. And, in some very important respects, he embraces Paganism as well. Why? Because it's all about nature of course.

But it is ever and always only about nature as he and the clique/claque there encompass it. Pertaining to, among other things, race and gender and sexuality. And, of course, those terrible, terrible Jews.

Some idiot experiment to see how a blind lady is treated?

It's not an experiment so much as probing something that has always fascinated me about philosophy forums going back nearly 25 years now. The part where they become another rendition of...the dating game?

Now, don't get me wrong. As I noted above to Prom75, I have absolutely no problem with this. Instead, it's the part where "looks" come into play. For some, that changes everything.

If you get my drift.

[promethean75]

Yeah, i have my suspicions about her ladyship (Maia) because in the halloween pic of her she appears as young or even younger than the very old ILP pic of her posing in the skirt (school uniform maybe) in which she looks twentyish. So she should look much older than the halloween pic. I put her in her late twenties or early thirties. I dunno, maybe the halloween pic is old.

If she is a fake, she's a very very consistent one that has been around ILP for milennia. That means the person running Maia, if she's fake, is a very, very sick person in their own special way which we shant be judgemental of since we don't know what the poor bastard has been through.

Maia, we may have to do some verification photos of you then. You'll have to write "fishpie is bonkers" on paper and have a friend take a pic with you holding it up. And wear your sexy Austin Powers sunglasses, please.

[attofishpi]

lol...may I suggest "promethean is a pillock"

NB: Pagan is part of propaganda!

Which is pro_pagan_da!