phyllo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:35 am
You expect them to defend themselves with one hand tied behind their backs?
It's either that or run the risk of Russia getting desperate at some point and using nukes on Ukraine and maybe starting Armageddon. Which is better. Losing some land or everyone losing EVERYTHING? This is an existential fight for Putin. If he faces losing lock, stock, and barrel, then we could be looking at a nuclear escalation on Putin's part. In all appearances, Ukraine cannot defeat Russia. It's probably hopeless to seek victory over Russia. So what do you see as the answer? To fight forever as Ukraine's manpower is drained to 0? What do you hope to accomplish that is actually accomplishable?
What are 7 long range missiles fired at Russia supposed to accomplish other than to possibly provoke Russia to use its nukes? What does Ukraine hope to accomplish firing missiles into Russia?
Seems like the most rational approach for a deal maker would be for the US to form an economic alliance with Russia, likely based on energy, in exchange for deep concessions concerning Ukraine beginning with ending the war and returning those who were enslaved back into their country, then helping with the rebuilding.
This would require the US to engineer a big boost to the Russian economy in exchange for big nuclear concessions from Russia, military nukes being about all they have in the way of strength, other than throwing infantry into the meatgrinder.
In the meantime, just say that the current POTUS is a whacko as everyone can see, as is his handlers, so don't take those longer range missiles too seriously. Cooler heads see they will soon be gone, but Putin is raising his finger by mentioning the word nuclear, which is saying back off.
But a lot will need to be offered for him to back off himself.
Whoever arranges that will have the Nobel Peace Prize, unless it's an American Republican.
You expect them to defend themselves with one hand tied behind their backs?
It's either that or run the risk of Russia getting desperate at some point and using nukes on Ukraine and maybe starting Armageddon. Which is better. Losing some land or everyone losing EVERYTHING?
It's not binary. You're making it binary.
There is a wide range of options and actions.
As soon as you realize that, you won't be terrified every time Putin says "nuke".
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With 17 days to go, Biden has been sending tens-of-millions of dollars to Ukraine in a mad bid to beat the inauguration date..
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Who has sent money to Ukraine?
The United States alone pledged about $45 billion in arms and military aid to Ukraine between Russia's fullscale invasion in February 2022 and October 2023 and a total surpassing $174 billion by September 2024. Most of this money goes to American companies who make weapons and military equipment.
MagsJ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 11:04 am
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With 17 days to go, Biden has been sending tens-of-millions of dollars to Ukraine in a mad bid to beat the inauguration date..
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Who has sent money to Ukraine?
The United States alone pledged about $45 billion in arms and military aid to Ukraine between Russia's fullscale invasion in February 2022 and October 2023 and a total surpassing $174 billion by September 2024. Most of this money goes to American companies who make weapons and military equipment.
US President Donald Trump has issued a chilling World War Three warning after admitting Vladimir Putin had an “advantage” - just hours before the Russian leader launched a fresh set of attacks on Ukraine.
Speaking on Fox News, the 47th US President claimed the US “could be” involved in the Russia-Ukraine war if tensions escalated to “World War Three”.
With Trump, of course, you really don’t know for sure what’s going on in his head. But some folks have been suggesting of late that he’s not altogether there. That he may be…cracking up?
Trump is 78 years and 9 months old. He knows he’s getting closer and closer to oblivion. And not for a second do I believe he is actually commited to Christianity. And in the event of a nuclear war, he and his family will no doubt be taken to some top secret bunker. But how about you? Me, I live about 35 miles from Washington D.C. And I know that D.C. will be a priority target.
One way or another, at home and abroad, Trump might end up wrecking the lives of millions.
How many here know the start or the origin of the Ukraine crisis? One needs to go back to 1990 with the reunification of Germany, and what lies were told to Russians with that arrangement. If you don't know and cannot be bothered to find out, shut the fuck up!
You can go back much further than that ... to czarist Russia. Ukraine and Russia have a long history.
During the Tsarist era, Ukrainian lands, part of the Russian Empire, experienced policies of Russification, cultural suppression, and limited political participation, with the Tsarist regime actively promoting the elimination of Ukrainian peculiarities.
Here's a more detailed look at Tsarist Ukraine:
Key Features of Tsarist Rule in Ukraine:
Russification:
The Tsarist regime implemented policies aimed at suppressing Ukrainian culture and language, promoting Russian language and culture instead.
The Valuev Circular of 1863, for example, banned the publication of Ukrainian-language literature.
The Russian Orthodox Church became an important vehicle for Russification policies.
Limited Political Participation:
Ukrainians had limited political rights and representation within the Tsarist Empire.
Cossack Hetmanate:
A Cossack state, known as the Cossack Hetmanate or Zaporizhian Host, under Russian protection existed from 1648 to 1764, but was later absorbed into the Russian Empire.
Economic Dependence:
The Ukrainian economy was largely agrarian, with a focus on agriculture, and the Tsarist regime exploited Ukrainian lands for resources and labor.
Religious Policies:
The Tsarist regime promoted the absorption of Ukrainians from the Uniate Church into the Russian Orthodox Church.
Suppression of Ukrainian Identity:
The Tsarist regime actively suppressed Ukrainian national aspirations and identity, viewing Ukraine as a part of a larger Russian identity.
Cossacks:
Cossacks, who were important in Ukrainian history, were used by the Tsarist regime for police service and border guards.
Revolution and Independence:
The Russian Revolution of 1917 led to the collapse of the Tsarist regime and the rise of new political forces in Ukraine, including those advocating for Ukrainian independence.
Post-Revolution Ukraine:
After the Russian Revolution, Ukraine briefly gained independence in 1918, but was later incorporated into the Soviet Union as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1922.
phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 12:47 pm
You can go back much further than that ... to czarist Russia. Ukraine and Russia have a long history.
During the Tsarist era, Ukrainian lands, part of the Russian Empire, experienced policies of Russification, cultural suppression, and limited political participation, with the Tsarist regime actively promoting the elimination of Ukrainian peculiarities.
Here's a more detailed look at Tsarist Ukraine:
Key Features of Tsarist Rule in Ukraine:
Russification:
The Tsarist regime implemented policies aimed at suppressing Ukrainian culture and language, promoting Russian language and culture instead.
The Valuev Circular of 1863, for example, banned the publication of Ukrainian-language literature.
The Russian Orthodox Church became an important vehicle for Russification policies.
Limited Political Participation:
Ukrainians had limited political rights and representation within the Tsarist Empire.
Cossack Hetmanate:
A Cossack state, known as the Cossack Hetmanate or Zaporizhian Host, under Russian protection existed from 1648 to 1764, but was later absorbed into the Russian Empire.
Economic Dependence:
The Ukrainian economy was largely agrarian, with a focus on agriculture, and the Tsarist regime exploited Ukrainian lands for resources and labor.
Religious Policies:
The Tsarist regime promoted the absorption of Ukrainians from the Uniate Church into the Russian Orthodox Church.
Suppression of Ukrainian Identity:
The Tsarist regime actively suppressed Ukrainian national aspirations and identity, viewing Ukraine as a part of a larger Russian identity.
Cossacks:
Cossacks, who were important in Ukrainian history, were used by the Tsarist regime for police service and border guards.
Revolution and Independence:
The Russian Revolution of 1917 led to the collapse of the Tsarist regime and the rise of new political forces in Ukraine, including those advocating for Ukrainian independence.
Post-Revolution Ukraine:
After the Russian Revolution, Ukraine briefly gained independence in 1918, but was later incorporated into the Soviet Union as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1922.
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That is all very nice AI, but what is the most pertaining cause of the present-day crisis? It is the American war machine wanting to occupy Ukraine on Russia's border. Something it promised never to do to get Russia to agree to the unification of Germany. Since 1990 it has been never-ending lies and an ever encroachment of Russia's border. How would America react if Russia or China set up in Canada on the American border? Come on guys, it's not brain surgery.
