Ukraine Crisis

[Gary Childress]

From the NYT:

Ukraine has asked to use Western long-range weapons to strike deeper into Russia for months. It argues that it needs those weapons to hit military sites that house Russian warplanes and that launch missiles into Ukrainian cities.

Those entreaties were a major topic of discussion on Friday as President Biden met with Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain, who is trying to nudge the United States to give more latitude to the Ukrainians. Mr. Starmer would especially like Mr. Biden’s support for Britain to allow Ukraine to use British Storm Shadow missiles to fire farther into Russia.

And now this from the NYT:

Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia With Long-Range U.S. Missiles

With two months left in office, the president for the first time authorized the Ukrainian military to use the system known as ATACMS to help defend its forces in the Kursk region of Russia.

What's troublesome is that Biden is no doubt still preoccupied with -- and pissed off about -- being driven out of the race. And I suspect he is convinced that had he been the candidate he would have won.

So, instead of the potential for being the most powerful man in world for another 4 years, it's all over for him. What more has he got to lose over the next two months?

Who the hell really knows what is going on inside his head. Maybe it is just a response to those 10,000 North Korean soldiers. Or maybe he figures fuck it, I'll go out with a bang.

Kind of a dick move by Biden. I have to say I had thought better of him. I was wrong about Biden. Good riddance, Joe.

[phyllo]

Kind of a dick move by Biden. I have to say I had thought better of him. I was wrong about Biden. Good riddance, Joe.

It's a way for Ukraine to hang on to the Kursk region and prevent further losses of territory so that they are in a better negotiating position when Trump starts giving away their territory to his buddy Putin.

[Gary Childress]

Kind of a dick move by Biden. I have to say I had thought better of him. I was wrong about Biden. Good riddance, Joe.

It's a way for Ukraine to hang on to the Kursk region and prevent further losses of territory so that they are in a better negotiating position when Trump starts giving away their territory to his buddy Putin.

The war is pretty much Biden's fault for advocating for Ukrainian membership in NATO. The CIA predicted that Putin wouldn't allow it. Biden didn't listen. Ukraine wouldn't be in the mess it's in now if it wasn't for the Democrats.

[FlashDangerpants]

Gary's true hero

[Gary Childress]

Gary's true hero

I doubt Putin poses any threat to Europe.

[phyllo]

Yeah.
Putin is an angel and Biden is the devil.

[Gary Childress]

Yeah.
Putin is an angel and Biden is the devil.

Putin is clearly not an angel. However, unless the Russian people themselves depose him, there's not much any of the rest of us can do as the Russian military has nukes. Putin is not going to give up those parts of Ukraine that he holds. It must surely be better to try to negotiate a settlement that will end the fighting rather than see more young Ukrainians lose their lives in combat in a wasteful war. Putin will pay dearly for his deeds. If there is a God and if God is good, then there is no escape for Putin from God's judgement.

[phyllo]

Putin is clearly not an angel. However, unless the Russian people themselves depose him, there's not much any of the rest of us can do as the Russian military has nukes. Putin is not going to give up those parts of Ukraine that he holds.

We can help Ukraine defend itself from Russian aggression. Which is what we have been doing and can continue to do for at least a few more months.

It must surely be better to try to negotiate a settlement that will end the fighting rather than see more young Ukrainians lose their lives in combat in a wasteful war.

Ukrainians are choosing to fight rather than surrender.

They understand the consequences better than any Americans.

If there is a God and if God is good, then there is no escape for Putin from God's judgement.

Yeah, whatever.

Handing it off to some 'maybe' God, lets the religious walk away with a clear conscience.

[Impenitent]

biden gave putin a reason to nuke america by allowing ukraine to attack russia

putin will launch before trump takes office because trump will finish putin.

communism is wonderful

-Imp

[phyllo]

Putin will do one of two things :

Sit tight and wait for Trump to hand him "his gift".

or

Launch an offensive to regain some territory so that he end up with even more after Trump hands him "his gift".


He's not going to use nukes, because he doesn't need to use nukes.

[iambiguous]

From the NYT:

"On the 1,000th day of the war in Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelensky took advantage of Washington’s new willingness to allow long-range missiles to be shot deep into Russia. Until this weekend, President Biden had declined to allow such strikes using American weapons, out of fear they could prompt World War III.

"On the same day, Russia formally announced a new nuclear doctrine that it had signaled two months ago, declaring for the first time that it would use nuclear weapons not only in response to an attack that threatened its survival, but also in response to any attack that posed a “critical threat” to its sovereignty and territorial integrity — a situation very similar to what was playing out in the Kursk region, as American-made ballistic missiles struck Russian weapons arsenals."

Not only is Biden pissed off at how things turned out in the presidential race, but any number of folks have expressed the concern that he is not altogether of sound mind anyway. As for figuring out how far Putin can be pushed...?

And now Trump will be back in office in a couple of months.

What could go possibly go wrong then, right?

[Gary Childress]

Handing it off to some 'maybe' God, lets the religious walk away with a clear conscience.

As opposed to seeing more human beings lose their lives, yes, finding a peaceful settlement would be better. The Democrats are being hawkish and reckless. It's irresponsible and clearly not what the majority of Americans want.

[phyllo]

[As opposed to seeing more human beings lose their lives, yes, finding a peaceful settlement would be better. The Democrats are being hawkish and reckless. It's irresponsible and clearly not what the majority of Americans want.

Last I saw, 48% of Americans wanted to support Ukraine for "as long as it takes".

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/more ... -it-takes/

Would you like to tell us what the majority of Americans want.

[Gary Childress]

[As opposed to seeing more human beings lose their lives, yes, finding a peaceful settlement would be better. The Democrats are being hawkish and reckless. It's irresponsible and clearly not what the majority of Americans want.

Last I saw, 48% of Americans wanted to support Ukraine for "as long as it takes".

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/more ... -it-takes/

Would you like to tell us what the majority of Americans want.

There can be a difference between supporting Ukraine to defend itself and sending Ukraine missiles for striking into Russia.

[phyllo]

You expect them to defend themselves with one hand tied behind their backs?