Atla wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 7:51 am
"Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?"
I find the topic title a bit strange, we can only know that something is impossible if we can prove a negative with absolute certainty. How do we do that?
Maybe when you were born, God put you into this Matrix-like simulation of this universe, in which the rational thing to do is to follow what science says. And he told his followers what's actually going on, but didn't tell you. Because God gets a kick out of that or something.
BigMike wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 12:14 am
Your next move—the “Newton didn’t study the other side of the universe” gambit—is just embarrassing. Are you genuinely arguing that the consistency of physical laws across the observable universe is somehow invalid because we haven’t directly measured
everything? Newsflash: the predictive success of physical laws across countless experiments and technologies is a stronger validation than your philosophical armchair musings. If the laws of physics weren’t consistent, you wouldn’t be typing on a computer powered by those same principles.
Maybe the laws of physics aren't consistent outside the observable universe, some scientists nowadays argue that there is some evidence that laws of physics aren't even consistent within the observable universe.
It's not that "if the laws of physics weren’t consistent, you wouldn’t be typing", it's that "if the laws of physics weren’t
consistent or consistent enough, in our corner of the universe, you wouldn't be typing".
“Maybe God Put You in a Matrix”? Seriously?
Atla, this argument isn’t just ridiculous—it’s a masterclass in how to lose credibility in a single post. Let’s break this down step by step, because clearly, you need help navigating the basics of logic and evidence.
First, your assertion that “we can only know something is impossible if we can prove a negative with absolute certainty” is a textbook example of missing the point. Science doesn’t operate on “absolute certainty.” It operates on evidence, falsifiability, and probabilities. When something repeatedly fails every test thrown at it—like claims of miracles, gods, or metaphysical tinkering—we don’t “prove” it impossible; we dismiss it as irrelevant nonsense because it has no supporting evidence. Your insistence on “absolute certainty” is a smokescreen for ignoring reality in favor of baseless speculation.
Now let’s tackle your
chef’s kiss of absurdity: “Maybe God put you in a Matrix-like simulation.” Right, because when faced with mountains of evidence supporting the consistency of physical laws, your brilliant counter is, “But what if God is trolling us?” If your defense of religion relies on invoking an all-powerful prankster who set up a fake reality for kicks, you’ve already lost. Science works precisely because it doesn’t entertain these childish “what if” scenarios without evidence. It focuses on what we can observe and test, not on indulging every whimsical fantasy about divine trolling.
Then there’s this: “Maybe the laws of physics aren’t consistent outside the observable universe.” Let me help you out here:
maybe is not evidence. You don’t get to just hand-wave and speculate without proof. Science builds on what we can observe, test, and predict. If you think there’s evidence that the laws of physics aren’t consistent, great! Show it. Until then, this is nothing more than philosophical hot air. You don’t get to undermine centuries of scientific progress with a lazy “what if.”
And let’s not forget the clincher: “If the laws of physics weren’t consistent or consistent enough in our corner of the universe, you wouldn’t be typing.” Exactly! And yet, here we are, typing and reading on computers powered by principles of electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, and other consistent physical laws. You want to speculate that the laws might be inconsistent elsewhere? Fine, but until you provide a shred of evidence, it’s about as useful as arguing that invisible unicorns are hiding in your attic.
What you’re doing here is classic intellectual dodging—clinging to vague “maybes” and hypothetical inconsistencies because you can’t refute the real point: that science works. It delivers results. Religion, on the other hand, delivers excuses, evasions, and fairy tales about gods who “might” be pulling the strings. If your best argument is “but what if God is messing with us,” you’ve already conceded that you have no evidence and no real argument.
So here’s the deal, Atla. If you want to live in a fantasy world where gods create Matrix simulations to troll humanity, be my guest. But don’t pretend that your whimsical speculation is remotely comparable to the predictive power, consistency, and results of science. Religion thrives on these mental gymnastics because it has no evidence to stand on. Science doesn’t need such games—it’s built on reality, and it works.
Let’s drop the philosophical whataboutism and face facts: the observable universe operates on principles we can test and understand. If that’s too much reality for you, feel free to retreat into your Matrix daydreams. The rest of us will stick with science, where the real progress happens.