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[Jack Daydream]

To the moderators,
My recent thread was deleted. It was a fairly controversial one on JK Rowling, Gender and Non-binary ideas. I created it for what I intended to be genuine philosophical discussion but did feel that a lot of what I was receiving were replies of an extremely transphobic nature. So, it is with mixed feelings that I see the removal of the thread.

However, I would like feedback from Rick or any other moderators as to the reason for the complete removal of the thread. I wonder if that affects my status as a member and if I am in danger of being banned. I have a genuine interest in many aspects of philosophy and also have seen so much poor quality and trolling on the site generally. I would like to use the site but may avoid discussion of gender issues presently.

[Atla]

Piscean male mistakes his sensitive and somewhat rudderless nature for a gender thing?

[FlashDangerpants]

Gender

The gender sub is poison, don't take it personally if your work there gets deleted.

[Jack Daydream]

Gender

The gender sub is poison, don't take it personally if your work there gets deleted.

Right at the beginning when I started the thread, I felt that it was opening up poison. I have participated on threads on gender in 2 other forums, some of which go a bit haywire. I probably started the thread seeing a subforum on gender, but this was probably created before the heated cultural wars of the last few years.

I have recovered after the shock of seeing, 'This thread does not exist' and will try not to take the removal of the thread personally. I will take a break and then, perhaps, create some threads on different topics. It is difficult writing threads because many philosophy itself can spark heated online wars. In a way, safe topics and titles are wise, but it is tricky because titles need to be captivating but it is a hard juggling act on a media site.

[Iwannaplato]

Gender

The gender sub is poison, don't take it personally if your work there gets deleted.

It seems to me it would be better to lock with an explanation. Unless there are concerns about litigation or something else I can't think of at the moment. There's very little moderation here with all the attendant plusses and minuses of that. Couldn't hurt to mention in place what led to the decision to stop a discussion, and it could help.

[Jack Daydream]

Gender

The gender sub is poison, don't take it personally if your work there gets deleted.

It seems to me it would be better to lock with an explanation. Unless there are concerns about litigation or something else I can't think of at the moment. There's very little moderation here with all the attendant plusses and minuses of that. Couldn't hurt to mention in place what led to the decision to stop a discussion, and it could help.

I will be very glad if I do get some kind of moderation response. That is because on the couple of forums I have written on before there is more communication. As it, it feels like mere cancel culture. I am left uncertain whether I was at fault for starting the topic or people who the responses on it, or both. I am simply not sure whether I will get a reply from Rick and whether there are any other staff moderators at all.

[Iwannaplato]

The gender sub is poison, don't take it personally if your work there gets deleted.

It seems to me it would be better to lock with an explanation. Unless there are concerns about litigation or something else I can't think of at the moment. There's very little moderation here with all the attendant plusses and minuses of that. Couldn't hurt to mention in place what led to the decision to stop a discussion, and it could help.

I will be very glad if I do get some kind of moderation response. That is because on the couple of forums I have written on before there is more communication. As it, it feels like mere cancel culture. I am left uncertain whether I was at fault for starting the topic or people who the responses on it, or both. I am simply not sure whether I will get a reply from Rick and whether there are any other staff moderators at all.

I doubt very much it was your bringing up the topic that led to its removal. That seems unlikely in the extreme. I did read your OP though not everything after that. But it'd good to get this confirmed, and then good to find out what led to the removal.

[Jack Daydream]

It seems to me it would be better to lock with an explanation. Unless there are concerns about litigation or something else I can't think of at the moment. There's very little moderation here with all the attendant plusses and minuses of that. Couldn't hurt to mention in place what led to the decision to stop a discussion, and it could help.

I will be very glad if I do get some kind of moderation response. That is because on the couple of forums I have written on before there is more communication. As it, it feels like mere cancel culture. I am left uncertain whether I was at fault for starting the topic or people who the responses on it, or both. I am simply not sure whether I will get a reply from Rick and whether there are any other staff moderators at all.

I doubt very much it was your bringing up the topic that led to its removal. That seems unlikely in the extreme. I did read your OP though not everything after that. But it'd good to get this confirmed, and then good to find out what led to the removal.

In terms of what went wrong, it is possible that I responded to trolls but I felt a need to challenge someone who kept posting pictures of individuals and making abusive comments about them. It is possible that I should have pressed the button to complain and there were so many posts of this. Also, it would seem as if I was wishing for censorship, as if wishing to drive certain views underground to ferment in the collective subconscious.

Also, another issue was that gender identity is such a personal and sensitive issue. One poster was trying to ask me about my own personal inclinations. This made me realise that there was a risk that individuals may self-disclose on the thread and it was not a therapeutic safe space.

But yes, I would like some moderation response! I am partly writing this reply post for anyone who noticed that a 14 page thread, which had been going since Wednesday has just evaporated into a black hole of nothingness. I would also consider rewriting the thread in a different way so as to enable the ideas of non-binary and ideas of JK Rowling (which are 2 different topics) in a way to gain meaningful philosophical discourse. There again, I might just open another can of worms and give myself many headaches...

[Jack Daydream]

I have just noticed that a thread on 'Sex and Gender' has popped up. I guess I could have written in that one but it is such a huge topic. I am certainly not going to add the ideas I expressed in that one. It might end up with all the posts I received landing in that one and I may be in severe trouble with moderators. If I continue on this forum, perhaps I am best to stay away from the topic of gender completely, because I am interested in so many other aspects of philosophy.

[FlashDangerpants]

Your wasn't the only thread to go awol in the last 24 hours. The one in the politics sub that accused the mayor of London of being a political jihadist with murderous intentions has been deleted for probably obvious reasons.

[Jack Daydream]

Your wasn't the only thread to go awol in the last 24 hours. The one in the politics sub that accused the mayor of London of being a political jihadist with murderous intentions has been deleted for probably obvious reasons.

I guess that the moderator(s) have to think about how a thread comes across on a public site to readers. It is a platform of expression but reading a site does have impacts on people reading it too. I know that what I read on my phone, alone in my room, influences my own state of mind and thinking so much.

[Walker]

I have just noticed that a thread on 'Sex and Gender' has popped up. I guess I could have written in that one but it is such a huge topic. I am certainly not going to add the ideas I expressed in that one. It might end up with all the posts I received landing in that one and I may be in severe trouble with moderators. If I continue on this forum, perhaps I am best to stay away from the topic of gender completely, because I am interested in so many other aspects of philosophy.

- I posted in that old, similar thread so you might find a source of clues as to why it didn't vanish, should you be interested and apparently you are.

- It is a bit of a shock when the vanishing first appears, isn’t it. It’s a forced change in perspective. You’re dealing with it in a most civilized way. The question is, if you get no explicit answer to your questions, will the uncertainty constrict your thoughts into what you think is conformity?

- Perhaps the lesson is how to constructively adapt and transmogrify perceived injustice into a higher perspective that provides a broader horizon. Could be a lesson for those hooked on gender, too.

- Besides, another’s motives for what they do (the hocus pocus vanishing act) are not really relevant to what you have been doing here, which is essentially honing your own thoughts rather than quibble over another’s explanations about vanishing, explanations which you might think are ostensible, and justifying that would become your new focus in order to justify your own insights.

Also, an explanation would burden the moderator with more questions such as, why did you delete mine and not his, or hers? (Should hers be her’s? What do you think?)

The Uncertainty of Knowledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkhBcLk_8f0
“I’m not absolutely sure about anything.” - Feynman

[henry quirk]

Mebbe it was my shoot, shovel, shut up idea that off'd that other thread.

[Iwannaplato]

Also, an explanation would burden the moderator with more questions such as, why did you delete mine and not his, or hers? (Should hers be her’s?

I thought this was a useful post for Jack and any of us. And I thought this was a good point about the practicality of the moderators not responding to this thread.

But for the moderators, they could explain in a post that locks the thread and refuse to answer threads with questions. The explanation might be a single word.

Of course, in life itself, things disappear, often without explanation. The moderators could choose to be like that, perhaps as a life lesson for posters, or they could perhaps consider the forum a portion of reality where that happens less.

[Walker]

Mebbe it was my shoot, shovel, shut up idea that off'd that other thread.