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It's all very silly and meaningless, but: if *we're gonna take this stuff seriously, then let's take it seriously.
*Americans, not you other folks...you all can do as you like with your countries

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Elections ought happen on election day, in-person. No by mail, on-line, or drop box hooey.

The polls should open at midnight and close at midnight. No exceptions.

No picture ID, no vote. No exceptions.

No registering to vote on the day of, on-line, or by mail (get thee to the Registrar's office well in advance). Better yet: all native-born and naturalized citizens are, as a matter of course, registered to vote. Then, all citizens need is a picture ID.

Voting is for citizens (native-born or legitimately naturalized), not guests or illegals. No friggin' exceptions.

Paper ballots only. No exceptions.

No behind closed doors activity of any kind. No exceptions.

All votes are deposited by the voters in a lock box. The box remains locked till the count begins, once the polls close. No exceptions.

The ballots are counted three times, by three different teams, in full public view: if any count disagrees with the others, start the count over with a new team. Keep recounting, with a new team each time, till all three counts match. No exceptions.

Armed security (preferably libertarians who hate everyone) ought be present to beat the ever-livin' crap out of any election official who shenaniganizes. The beating ought happen in full view of the public. Any voter caught doin' shenanigans on-scene ought get the same treatment.

The only early, or non-on-site, voting that ought happen is for folks who cannot legitimately make their way to the polls. For example: a guy in an iron lung, a paraplegic lady. Such folks ought be visited by three reps from the Registrar of Voters to assist the voter. The vote, once completed, is sealed in a lock box and deposited in a safe in the Registrar's office. It stays there till the vote count begins after the close of polls.

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NONE OF THE ABOVE ought be a viable voting option, and, if NOTA wins, it ought be binding. NOTA wins, the election is done, losers go home, no exceptions, no exemptions, no loopholes, and the position stays empty. Wanna fill that office? Hold a new election, with new candidates...at your expense. The majority, who voted NOTA, ought not foot the bill cuz the minority want an office holder.

Every candidate, win or lose, ought be mocked by the public for havin' the temerity to presume they can lead anything or anyone outside of themselves. Elected officials ought fear rightous assassination. Such folks ought tread lightly in offerin' up any legislation (outside of such canceling or negating or striking down current legislation). Tax hikes, therefore, ought only be proposed by the suicidal and insane. Any kind of rights control, therefore, ought only see the light of day when crafted by elected folks with a death wish.

As an aside: no more immunity (qualified or full) for any law enforcers. Break the law: like any citizen, you pay the price.

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The Electoral College, apart from its origins, is a fine way to assert state sovereignty. It ought not be discarded, only revamped.

Each state gets ONE electoral vote. The popular vote of the state determines which presidential candidate gets that one electoral vote. If, for example, the simple majority in my state, Louisiana, pick RED MAN DEFIANT, then he gets our one electoral vote, and if the simple majority of California picks the café au lait whore, then she gets their one electoral vote. 26 or better wins the office. In an unlikely 25 - 25 split, Congress, house and senate, convenes and votes (just as outlined at this post's beginning). 243 or better wins Congress's one, tie-breakin', electoral vote.

State sovereignty is preserved, the popular vote is elevated, and everyone is happy (yeah, right... :D )

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Please note: not a one of my suggestions has a snowball's chance of bein' implemented, particularly since all must be implemented simultaneously.

But I can dream...

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Further...

The Constitution ought be cleaved to like it's your life preserver on stormy seas. It ought be taken literally, as is. In other words: if what you, Mr or Miss Elected Person, or private citizen, want to do isn't in that document, you can't do it.

The entirety of any legislative body ought face, at the least, severe beatings, daily, until they balance the budget.

We ought be called The Constitutional Republic of America (or Freedonia, as Samuel Mitchill suggested).

Our flag ought be the Gadsden.

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And, lastly, the suggestion makin' all others unnecessary: start with a simple declarative, say, every citizen has an absolute right to his or her, and no one else's, life, liberty, and property. Add to that a simple, one person-one vote system. Run that vote as described above with one change: the vote -- yay or nay -- must be unanimous. Even one contrary vote (like *ahem* mine) and you have the equivalent of NOTA.

That's crazy, Henry! Government would never get anything done!

Yes, exactly.

Again: I can dream...

Oh Henry, if any of that garbage were implemented your country would fall and you'd be in Somalia!

Mebbe, mebbe not. Don't worry yer lil head about it, non-American person.

Oh, that's just more of your libertarian, minarchist, garbage, Henry.

Yep.

You suck Henry.

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"Elections ought happen on election day, in-person. No by mail, on-line, or drop box hooey. The polls should open at midnight and close at midnight. No exceptions."

How many voting stations you reckon we'll need to be able to move the entire voting population of this beloved country through a voting booth in twenty four hours or less?
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promethean75 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:17 pmHow many voting stations you reckon we'll need to be able to move the entire voting population of this beloved country through a voting booth in twenty four hours or less?
As an American you oughta know it wasn't too many years back when movin' the voting population thru the polls was SOP. and the polls weren't open for 24 hours either. Wasn't till the beer virus nonsense that this votin' on any day 'cept voting day, votin' by any means 'cept at the polls crap really took off.

Thing is: those who vote, who actually want to, will do their part: it's the system that fails over and over. Anyway: if we wanted to run elections the way I suggest: we could.
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I've never voted and have only vague memories of the booth when as a youngin' i went in with the old man whenever he voted.

I always thought you were given a bigger window than 24 hours to vote because that was somehow more efficient and cheaper for the states. You sayin' its physically possible to move everyone through a booth in only 24 hours without building many more stations than what already exist?

I'm asking, i don't know... haven't done the math.

And the fact that most work the same nine to five hours... so how is a whole city going to make it to a booth on a Wednesday after work without spending three hours in a traffic jam if they even make it there at all. I don't see it happening, chief.
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promethean75 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:02 pmYou sayin' its physically possible to move everyone through a booth in only 24 hours without building many more stations than what already exist?
I think so, yeah.
how is a whole city going to make it to a booth on a Wednesday after work without spending three hours in a traffic jam if they even make it there at all. I don't see it happening, chief.
First, it's Tuesday, not Wednesday. Second, my idea gives everyone 24 hours to vote. Third, even today, you vote in your precinct. No one has to travel three hours, even in A major city, to get their precinct polls.
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It's all very silly and meaningless, but: if *we're gonna take this stuff seriously, then let's take it seriously.
*Americans, not you other folks...you all can do as you like with your countries
I will gladly agree to that if Americans agree to have absolutely no interaction with non-Americans.

Let the doors be shut upon them, that they may play the fool nowhere but in's own house.
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phyllo wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:42 pm
I agree. It's well past tine for the US to stop bein' a buttinsky.

Tuesday may very well be the first step in that.

See, before the US can be booted out of there, it has to be reigned in here.
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Nope. Americans are not going to stay on their island.
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phyllo wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 12:54 amAmericans are not going to stay on their island.
Americans already do. The US (the State) is another matter.
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It's been a while. I'll have to pay attention when I go today, however, I seem to remember having to be registered to vote and other hoops a person has to jump through to be allowed to vote. I seem to recall that you don't just walk into a voting site and say, "I want to vote." I've had to actually be on their list of people eligible at the particular site I'm registered to go to. So it's not like there aren't precautions in place. Most news sources I've seen say that voter fraud in the US is very rare. In 30 years, Pennsylvania only had something like 39 verified cases of voter fraud.

What is voting like in your state, Henry? Do you just walk in and say, "Hi, I'm here to vote, don't ask me my name or address"? I have never seen that happen or done that so it sounds to me like you are worried about a problem that is not a really big problem. Why do you worry about something like that?
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How prevalent is voter fraud among illegal immigrants in the United States?
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Studies have consistently found that voter fraud, including voting by non-citizens, is extremely rare in the United States. Multiple investigations, including those by state governments and nonpartisan research institutions, show that voter fraud incidents overall are rare and typically involve isolated cases.

The Brennan Center for Justice, for example, conducted studies that found few substantiated cases of non-citizen voting, noting that strict penalties for voter fraud act as a significant deterrent. Furthermore, various safeguards are in place to prevent ineligible voting, such as identity verification requirements and voter registration checks.

While occasional isolated cases have been documented, they do not indicate widespread or systemic issues. In general, the data supports that cases of voter fraud by non-citizens are very rare, and the U.S. voting system has various controls to address it effectively.
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henry quirk wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 7:00 pm The Electoral College, apart from its origins, is a fine way to assert state sovereignty. It ought not be discarded, only revamped.

Each state gets ONE electoral vote. The popular vote of the state determines which presidential candidate gets that one electoral vote. If, for example, the simple majority in my state, Louisiana, pick RED MAN DEFIANT, then he gets our one electoral vote, and if the simple majority of California picks the café au lait whore, then she gets their one electoral vote. 26 or better wins the office. In an unlikely 25 - 25 split, Congress, house and senate, convenes and votes (just as outlined at this post's beginning). 243 or better wins Congress's one, tie-breakin', electoral vote.
The only problem with that is it's still not very representative of the popular vote. Technically, a candidate could win the electoral vote without receiving the majority of votes nationwide, simply by winning in states with smaller populations even though they lose in highly populated states. I don't see where that would make things any fairer than the "winner take all" approach currently used. It seems to me that if the electoral college is to stay, then it would make more sense to allow states to split their electoral vote between candidates based on the number of voters for each candidate within the state. Does that not seem like a good idea to you, Henry?
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:01 amvoter fraud
I didn't say nuthin' about that in my post. Funny that's where your head went to.

Anyway, since you brought it up: whether or not voter fraud is real or not, or widespread or rare, there's a growing perception that sumthin' underhanded is goin' down. TPTB are aware of this but, aside from platitudes, have done little to change that perception. Everything is fine they say, we don't need no stinkin' badges, er, reforms!

Leavin' aside all my impossible suggestions, wouldn't even a token effort by TPTB be wise? Sumthin' to allay public suspicion?
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:32 am
The only problem with that is it's still not very representative of the popular vote.
As long as we have states, a national popular vote can't work. The closest we can get to that is with the population of each state determining who a particular state backs. Some kind of electoral system is neccessary
Does that not seem like a good idea to you, Henry?
I'm not keen on it, no. It would, I think, muddy the waters more than they already are.
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henry quirk wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 2:15 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:32 am
The only problem with that is it's still not very representative of the popular vote.
As long as we have states, a national popular vote can't work. The closest we can get to that is with the population of each state determining who a particular state backs. Some kind of electoral system is neccessary
Does that not seem like a good idea to you, Henry?
I'm not keen on it, no. It would, I think, muddy the waters more than they already are.
Why? What's wrong with the idea? In what way is your idea better?
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