The dynamical physical laws solve the problem of redshift

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The dynamical physical laws solve the problem of redshift

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The dynamical physical laws in which physical parameters change but the form of laws are the same can explain the redshift. Therefore there is no need to postulate dark energy. What is left is to explain dark matter.
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Therefore there is no need to postulate dark energy.
Dark energy/matter wasn't proposed to explain red shift.
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:57 pm
Therefore there is no need to postulate dark energy.
Dark energy/matter wasn't proposed to explain red shift.
Dark energy was proposed to explain the universe's expansion, which scientists believe causes the redshift.
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bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:59 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:57 pm
Therefore there is no need to postulate dark energy.
Dark energy/matter wasn't proposed to explain red shift.
Dark energy was proposed to explain the universe's expansion, which scientists believe causes the redshift.
not just the expansion, specifically *accelerating expansion*. Redshift is there even if expansion isn't accelerating. Redshift really is only very loosely indirectly relaed to dark energy. Redshift is explained by expansion. Dark energy supposedly explains accelerated expansion. But dark energy doesn't explain redshift.
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bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:59 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:57 pm
Therefore there is no need to postulate dark energy.
Dark energy/matter wasn't proposed to explain red shift.
Dark energy was proposed to explain the universe's expansion, which scientists believe causes the redshift.
But the Universe, Itself, is not expanding. So, there is nothing to explain here.
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:07 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:59 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:57 pm

Dark energy/matter wasn't proposed to explain red shift.
Dark energy was proposed to explain the universe's expansion, which scientists believe causes the redshift.
not just the expansion, specifically *accelerating expansion*. Redshift is there even if expansion isn't accelerating. Redshift really is only very loosely indirectly relaed to dark energy. Redshift is explained by expansion. Dark energy supposedly explains accelerated expansion. But dark energy doesn't explain redshift.
If dark energy explains the universe's expansion, then it explains the redshift. I propose that if the physical parameters are subject to change over time, then the redshift could be explained.
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Age wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:06 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:59 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:57 pm

Dark energy/matter wasn't proposed to explain red shift.
Dark energy was proposed to explain the universe's expansion, which scientists believe causes the redshift.
But the Universe, Itself, is not expanding. So, there is nothing to explain here.
How do you explain the redshift then?
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bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:08 pm
Age wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:06 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:59 pm
Dark energy was proposed to explain the universe's expansion, which scientists believe causes the redshift.
But the Universe, Itself, is not expanding. So, there is nothing to explain here.
How do you explain the redshift then?
The redshift just shows expansion.
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Age wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:09 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:08 pm
Age wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:06 pm

But the Universe, Itself, is not expanding. So, there is nothing to explain here.
How do you explain the redshift then?
The redshift just shows expansion.
The expansion of what?
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bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:07 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:07 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:59 pm
Dark energy was proposed to explain the universe's expansion, which scientists believe causes the redshift.
not just the expansion, specifically *accelerating expansion*. Redshift is there even if expansion isn't accelerating. Redshift really is only very loosely indirectly relaed to dark energy. Redshift is explained by expansion. Dark energy supposedly explains accelerated expansion. But dark energy doesn't explain redshift.
If dark energy explains the universe's expansion, then it explains the redshift.
Dark Energy doesn't explain expansion, it explains *accelerating* expansion. I don't think you really care about this topic enough to take it seriously though.
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:44 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:07 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:07 pm

not just the expansion, specifically *accelerating expansion*. Redshift is there even if expansion isn't accelerating. Redshift really is only very loosely indirectly relaed to dark energy. Redshift is explained by expansion. Dark energy supposedly explains accelerated expansion. But dark energy doesn't explain redshift.
If dark energy explains the universe's expansion, then it explains the redshift.
Dark Energy doesn't explain expansion, it explains *accelerating* expansion. I don't think you really care about this topic enough to take it seriously though.
Ok, accelerating expansion. That I am aware of.
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bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:15 pm
Age wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:09 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:08 pm
How do you explain the redshift then?
The redshift just shows expansion.
The expansion of what?
Matter away from itself, obviously.

What else could it possibly be?
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bahman wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:12 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:44 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:07 pm
If dark energy explains the universe's expansion, then it explains the redshift.
Dark Energy doesn't explain expansion, it explains *accelerating* expansion. I don't think you really care about this topic enough to take it seriously though.
Ok, accelerating expansion. That I am aware of.
Ok, can someone please explain to me how one can use some measurement to distinguish between less and more expanded physical (real) space?
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Cerveny wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 5:05 pm
bahman wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:12 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:44 pm

Dark Energy doesn't explain expansion, it explains *accelerating* expansion. I don't think you really care about this topic enough to take it seriously though.
Ok, accelerating expansion. That I am aware of.
Ok, can someone please explain to me how one can use some measurement to distinguish between less and more expanded physical (real) space?
There's some interesting explanations here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskPhysics/com ... ed_by_the/
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 5:32 pm
Cerveny wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 5:05 pm
bahman wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:12 am
Ok, accelerating expansion. That I am aware of.
Ok, can someone please explain to me how one can use some measurement to distinguish between less and more “expanded” physical (real) space?
There's some interesting explanations here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskPhysics/com ... ed_by_the/
There should be a simple answer. If the quality of physical space (reality) changes, some of its measurable properties (c, e, elementary spin...) should also change.
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