nihilism

[Fairy]

So, nihilism, back to Christian belief, then on to Israel’s genocidal exploits, and now we come to the real dastardly core: HARBAL!!

IC just can’t handle women being smarter than him. So like the woman he is, he uses empty words as a tactical weapon against the woman he is jealous of for being smarter than him.

[Fairy]

Yes, I can.

Prove it.

Show what evil looks like as an object, like an iPhone is an object ?

I'm going to.

Evil isn’t an object like an iPhone is an object.

You are going to have to do better than this poor no show.

[Alexiev]

So yes, any concept that man makes up, but which fails to correspond to any objective reality, is what we call "fictitious." And that claim is not "ridiculous," it's what we call "painfully obvious." In fact, it's definitional.

Oh. Do you mean "concepts" like, say, Christian morality and theology?

You might call those concepts "fictitious" but those of us who use literary terms more carefully would not.

[Immanuel Can]

Prove it.

Show what evil looks like as an object, like an iPhone is an object ?

I'm going to.

Evil isn’t an object like an iPhone is an object.

You are going to have to do better than this poor no show.

Answer my question, and I'll show you the truth.

What Harbal did to you...was it (you choose the word) bad/nasty/malevolent/insensitive/cruel/hurtful...etc.? If so, was it objectively any of those things? Or did you only mean, "I'm mad at Harbal for no reason, and want to slander him?"


If you don't answer, then we all know the truth. You don't want to answer, because you can't, and still believe there's no such thing as objective evil.

QED.

For somebody who thinks she's smarter, you're moving awfully slowly on this...

[Fairy]

I'm going to.

You can’t show what evil looks like as an object evil. So stop lying.
Evil isn’t an object like an iPhone is an object.

You can’t say evil is an objective evil without showing what that objective looks like for real like an iPhone is real.

All you’ll have is your belief that no one else will believe.

It’s your belief…not out there in the real world.

[Immanuel Can]

I'm going to.

You can’t...

You can't answer.

And do you know why? Because you want to believe that what Harbal did to you was bad/evil/unkind/wicked/exploitative/mean...etc. And you don't just want to think that it was a subjective impression you arbitrarily had. You want to think he was actually being bad to you. And you want to think you had a right not to be hurt, because hurting people like that is evil.

So you know what evil is, and you want to believe it's objective...when it comes to you. But in everybody else's case, you want to say, "Oh no...it's just a concept...it has no reality."

And that's how it works. Evil is not a noun, like "pyramid" or "iphone." Rather, it is an objective quality -- one might say, more an adjective than a noun -- that attaches to particular actions or things. But it's not just arbitrarily attached: it's attached to those things for very good reasons, reasons that can be objectively valid and real.

So there you are.

[Fairy]

I'm going to.

You can’t...

You can't answer.

And do you know why? Because you want to believe that what Harbal did to you was bad/evil/unkind/wicked/exploitative/mean...etc. And you don't just want to think that it was a subjective impression you arbitrarily had. You want to think he was actually being bad to you. And you want to think you had a right not to be hurt, because hurting people like that is evil.

So you know what evil is, and you want to believe it's objective...when it comes to you. But in everybody else's case, you want to say, "Oh no...it's just a concept...it has no reality."

And that's how it works. Evil is not a noun, like "pyramid" or "iphone." Rather, it is an objective quality -- one might say, more an adjective than a noun -- that attaches to particular actions or things. But it's not just arbitrarily attached: it's attached to those things for very good reasons, reasons that can be objectively valid and real.

So there you are.

No one is present during immediate action. Only reactions are known. And there’s not even someone present to know a reaction. That too is a concept known. Never seen.

If there was someone present during immediate action then they would instantly know something was good or evil before the action happened. Life is not intentional, that’s just a concept known, never actuality.

Evil is a belief known, never actually seen as an objective.

Nouns, adjectives, qualities, verbs, are all man- made concepts, they don’t exist outside of language, in the real world.

[Immanuel Can]

You can’t...

You can't answer.

And do you know why? Because you want to believe that what Harbal did to you was bad/evil/unkind/wicked/exploitative/mean...etc. And you don't just want to think that it was a subjective impression you arbitrarily had. You want to think he was actually being bad to you. And you want to think you had a right not to be hurt, because hurting people like that is evil.

So you know what evil is, and you want to believe it's objective...when it comes to you. But in everybody else's case, you want to say, "Oh no...it's just a concept...it has no reality."

And that's how it works. Evil is not a noun, like "pyramid" or "iphone." Rather, it is an objective quality -- one might say, more an adjective than a noun -- that attaches to particular actions or things. But it's not just arbitrarily attached: it's attached to those things for very good reasons, reasons that can be objectively valid and real.

So there you are.

No one is present during immediate action. Only reactions are known. And there’s not even someone present to know a reaction. That too is a concept known. Never seen.

If there was someone present during immediate action then they would instantly know something was good or evil before the action happened. Life is not intentional, that’s just a concept known, never actuality.

Evil is a belief known, never actually seen as an objective.

Nouns, adjectives, qualities, verbs, are all man- made concepts, they don’t exist outside of language, in the real world.

You don't want to talk about the truth, do you?

You don't want to talk about you, and what you think and feel when bad things happen to you. Because all your talk collapses, at that point: and the reality of objective evil hits you right between the eyes. In the real world, evil is a real thing. And you know it. You feel it in your bones, too.

That's the difference between all that kind of just talking above, and the reality of evil.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Harbal is a scoundrel!

[Immanuel Can]

Harbal is a scoundrel!

I think that we can all agree that none of us wanted to know anything about the private activities of Harbal and Fairy. However, Fairy subjected us all to page after page of hand-wringing detail about it, whether we wanted to know or not. If she was not implicating any injustice or bad treatment, why did she bother? If it was only her subjective distaste for Harbal's actions that she was expressing, why express it to us, since she couldn't then reasonably expect anybody to feel obligated to sympathize or feel sorry for her, no matter what detail she trotted out?

But she knows evil when it affects her.

And that's typical of every alleged moral relativist I've ever met or ever talked with. They're fine with the idea of morality being subjective, in the abstract; but let it be him/her personally that is being harmed, and suddenly their moral objectivism leaps to the fore.

Or, to take it back to the Gaza situation: whether one sympathizes with the Palestinians or the Israelis, the assertion is that the other one is doing something that it is objectively evil to do. If it's not, then there's no basis of sympathy. All it would mean is that the Palestinians and Israelis don't like what is being done...not that any of it is wrong or evil. And the world would have no reason to take ANY side, if subjective feelings are all that is at stake...especially because they're just somebody else's feelings.

[Fairy]

Harbal is a scoundrel!

IC dredged up the unreal past just to prove evil is real based on a past that doesn’t exist.

Very strange.

[Fairy]

But she knows evil when it affects her.

Harbal told me his wife looked at him with evil in her eyes.

It was a belief, no actual real evil was behind those eyes looking at him.

Fairy has never seen evil so how can it affect me, how can something I’ve never seen affect me?

Are you just telling porkies for affect

[Fairy]

Harbal punched his wife in the face because he couldn’t stand the evil looking at him. Or did he punch her face for no reason, who knows but him.



Weird how powerful belief can be. so convincing that you want to strike at it with such force bone is fractured.

[Immanuel Can]

But she knows evil when it affects her.

Harbal told...

You still haven't answered my question to you.

And you won't. Because it destroys your thesis, no matter which way you answer.

[Iwannaplato]

But she knows evil when it affects her.

Harbal told...

You still haven't answered my question to you.

And you won't. Because it destroys your thesis, no matter which way you answer.

I don't know how you missed her answer. It's there a number of times. But the ironic in this thread is here we have a man over and over telling a woman what she really thinks and feels. Asserting it to her. Asserting it to others. Trying so hard to make his mind reading seems real...to himself. All I can say is, I hope you don't live in Yorkshire. The man who accuses, yup, people of being women, now telling a woman what she is really like. Online the only option is to just keep asserting or give up.