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Just what I need, right? Another Stooge! On the other hand, Curly is still available here.
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Yeah, they could. They knew what they were going to get, and they went a long way to get it.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:54 am As I stated I doubt they thought that they could "absolutely" count on journalists and academics in the West to protest the Israeli response.
The question is, how did they know that Western journalists and academics wouldn't be put off by what they did? It was pretty darn horrendous, after all.
But judging by the unequal response, not by what Hamas did...or what it kept on doing, and has kept on doing to this very day.As it happened, a lot of people in the West were shocked by the extremity of the Israeli response.
Why is that?
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Are you suggesting that Hamas wouldn't have attacked had people in the West not had empathy for the Palestinians? What are we supposed to do, cheer the Israelis on as they kill every last Palestinian? Wouldn't that be sort of sadistic?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:31 amYeah, they could. They knew what they were going to get, and they went a long way to get it.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:54 am As I stated I doubt they thought that they could "absolutely" count on journalists and academics in the West to protest the Israeli response.
So we're going to skip from "did they know" to "how did they know"? Shouldn't we first establish that they did know before we go to "how"?The question is, how did they know that Western journalists and academics wouldn't be put off by what they did? It was pretty darn horrendous, after all.
Why do you call the response "unequal"? We've been selling Israel the means to carry out their war. Some blame us for that. It's not an easy position that the conscientious in the US are in. We could be morally wrong for allowing our government to aid Israel. Would it not matter if we were?But judging by the unequal response, not by what Hamas did...or what it kept on doing, and has kept on doing to this very day.As it happened, a lot of people in the West were shocked by the extremity of the Israeli response.
Why is that?
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I can't say what they "would have" or "wouldn't have done if." What I can say is exactly what they did do.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:45 amAre you suggesting that Hamas wouldn't have attacked had people in the West not had empathy for the Palestinians?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:31 amYeah, they could. They knew what they were going to get, and they went a long way to get it.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:54 am As I stated I doubt they thought that they could "absolutely" count on journalists and academics in the West to protest the Israeli response.
Why did they do it? Well, they aren't fools, are they? They're people very capable of calculation. And this was a very tightly planned operation, incorporating many people and many phases of logistics. What we know for sure is that they intended to do what they did...and what they continue to do.
The question: how did they know they could count on the support of the Western media and academy, when what they did was so unspeakably evil and vicious?
Answer me that.
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Do two evils make a good? Isn't genocide "unspeakably evil" also?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:55 amI can't say what they "would have" or "wouldn't have done if." What I can say is exactly what they did do.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:45 amAre you suggesting that Hamas wouldn't have attacked had people in the West not had empathy for the Palestinians?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:31 am
Yeah, they could. They knew what they were going to get, and they went a long way to get it.
Why did they do it? Well, they aren't fools, are they? They're people very capable of calculation. And this was a very tightly planned operation, incorporating many people and many phases of logistics. What we know for sure is that they intended to do what they did...and what they continue to do.
The question: how did they know they could count on the support of the Western media and academy, when what they did was so unspeakably evil and vicious?
Answer me that.
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Answer the question, Gary.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:01 amDo...Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:55 amI can't say what they "would have" or "wouldn't have done if." What I can say is exactly what they did do.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:45 am
Are you suggesting that Hamas wouldn't have attacked had people in the West not had empathy for the Palestinians?
Why did they do it? Well, they aren't fools, are they? They're people very capable of calculation. And this was a very tightly planned operation, incorporating many people and many phases of logistics. What we know for sure is that they intended to do what they did...and what they continue to do.
The question: how did they know they could count on the support of the Western media and academy, when what they did was so unspeakably evil and vicious?
Answer me that.
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According to some Western Media has had a subtle slant in favor of Israel. Some allege our media has tried to justify Israeli actions and accuse us of aiding in genocide. So your question may be starting with a false assumption. How can someone answer a question that assumes something that isn't true? It's like me asking why you beat your wife and demanding that you give me an answer as to why you beat your wife.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:04 amAnswer the question, Gary.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:01 amDo...Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:55 am
I can't say what they "would have" or "wouldn't have done if." What I can say is exactly what they did do.
Why did they do it? Well, they aren't fools, are they? They're people very capable of calculation. And this was a very tightly planned operation, incorporating many people and many phases of logistics. What we know for sure is that they intended to do what they did...and what they continue to do.
The question: how did they know they could count on the support of the Western media and academy, when what they did was so unspeakably evil and vicious?
Answer me that.
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How American Media Incited Genocide
Have we incited genocide? Is the statement true or untrue? I honestly don't know. I don't read much that comes out in our major media such as the Washington Post, New York Times and other major sources due to paywalls. If you read those sources a lot, then what is your opinion of what they advocate for? And do you have a few samples where such media sources have denounced Israel and backed Hamas?
Have we incited genocide? Is the statement true or untrue? I honestly don't know. I don't read much that comes out in our major media such as the Washington Post, New York Times and other major sources due to paywalls. If you read those sources a lot, then what is your opinion of what they advocate for? And do you have a few samples where such media sources have denounced Israel and backed Hamas?
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As an American, I would LOVE it if I could confidently say our ally Israel is justified in what it's doing. I honestly would. However, there is a lot of information out there that suggests that they aren't and as a philosopher, I ought to go with the truth, don't you think, IC? Therefore, I see a need to establish the truth first.
Is Israel justified in its conduct of the war? Over 40,000 Palestinians have been killed, I've heard it alleged that nearly half are children. I mean, what is the right thing to do? Keep aiding Israel as we are, or ought we be more firm with Israel and demand that they de-escalate?
Is Israel justified in its conduct of the war? Over 40,000 Palestinians have been killed, I've heard it alleged that nearly half are children. I mean, what is the right thing to do? Keep aiding Israel as we are, or ought we be more firm with Israel and demand that they de-escalate?
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Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:26 am As an American, I would LOVE it if I could confidently say our ally Israel is justified in what it's doing. I honestly would. However, there is a lot of information out there that suggests that they aren't and as a philosopher, I ought to go with the truth, don't you think, IC? Therefore, I see a need to establish the truth first.
Is Israel justified in its conduct of the war? Over 40,000 Palestinians have been killed, I've heard it alleged that nearly half are children. I mean, what is the right thing to do? Keep aiding Israel as we are, or ought we be more firm with Israel and demand that they de-escalate?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.
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Nihilism philosophy: The belief that nothing in the world has a real existence.
Reality: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Reality: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
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That's a very good point.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:07 am It's like me asking why you beat your wife and demanding that you give me an answer as to why you beat your wife.
You cannot ask wife beaters why they beat their wives.
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''Evil'' is a man-made concept. It's an abstract thought. 'Evil' has no physical existence.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:55 am
The question: how did they know they could count on the support of the Western media and academy, when what they did was so unspeakably evil and vicious?
Answer me that.
If the belief that Islam is 'Evil', then so too is the West 'Evil'. Which means everyone with a physical body is EVIL - No one is exempt.
For a deeper dive into what's actually going on...read here: https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities ... f%20Muslim
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I am not a "girl". I was alive and intelligent during the last Nazi war when there was a different contender for the "'Chosen People' and 'Rightful Homeland' titles.Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:03 amThere is nothing against the Zionist idea of restoring a Jewish state in the Promised Land.
But Belinda's statement saddens me, I had the impression that she was a sane girl.
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It's very clearly not. If you actually believe the Palestinians had no idea what they were doing, and that their plan was accidental, and that they accidentally build terror tunnels under mosques, schools, hospitals and such (oops! How did we know our people would die?), and that they just don't know they should be releasing the hostages, or negotiating for a two-state solution, and that they had no idea that the IDF was powerful, and no idea that murdering old people, raping women and killing babies was bad...then I don't know how you can be helped.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:07 am... your question may be starting with a false assumption.
They knew exactly what they were doing. It took meticulous planning to do it, and they're STILL doing it. So, if that's what you think, the question's not to you.
But it is to AJ. And he won't answer. He says he knows the answer, because it's "rhetorical." Ask yourself, therefore, why HE won't answer. He knows something you don't, apparently.