WW3 breaking out

[godelian]

And Hamas also opposed the Oslo Accords.

Hamas did not oppose the Oslo Accords as a next step of progress in the matter. However, Hamas did not consider the Oslo Accords to be the final conclusion of the issue. Additional negotiations would have been needed in the future.

And Hamas' greatest aspiration is to murder Jews, even ones that are sympathetic to peace with the Palestinians.
God save us all from religious fanatics!

That is exactly where you are wrong. The more they are religious fanatics, the more they abide by the Quranic "People of the Book" ("Ahl Al-Kitab") doctrine. This means that they won't kill or otherwise harm Jewish or Christian noncombatant civilians or even expropriate their belongings. Hence, during the course of war, it is in your interest that they are religious fanatics. It is rather the people without set rules that you should be wary of.

[Gary Childress]

That is exactly where you are wrong. The more they are religious fanatics, the more they abide by the Quranic "People of the Book" ("Ahl Al-Kitab") doctrine. This means that they won't kill or otherwise harm Jewish or Christian noncombatant civilians or even expropriate their belongings. Hence, during the course of war, it is in your interest that they are religious fanatics. It is rather the people without set rules that you should be wary of.

So I take it Hamas is not fanatically religious, nor is Hezbollah or the Iranians, nor are the Zionists, all of whom have targeted civilians?

[godelian]

So I take it Hamas is not fanatically religious, nor is Hezbollah or the Iranians, nor are the Zionists, all of whom have targeted civilians?

Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranians have clearly been going for military targets. Hamas did not plan to run into a festival on Oct 7.

[Fairy]

when every Islamic terrorist is dead- there will be peace

until then - buckle up buttercup

-Imp

What about all the children who are orphaned by the war?

Everyone is deeply wounded by war, the world is still a mess for everyone who survives. Even when every last terrorist is dead, there will still remain the mental scars of those who live on.

All those children who bore witness to the horrific terror their parents went through will no doubt harbour deep resentment and bitterness within their psyche. No end in sight, is there. On and on it will go, until the last man is standing. This is simply the raw unfiltered truth that is humanity. Human brains are wired for war and destruction because they are descendants of the past reptilian era that dominated earth for millions of years.

Nothing has changed. Nothing will change. Nature is a serial killer. Fact.

[Fairy]

There's not going to be a first nuclear attack by the West. We're not the ones who've been rattling the nuclear saber every 3 months.

Your memory is short.

Remember it was America who dropped two nukes on innocent men women and children during WW 2

Yes. We all know what happened in the past. Repeating the same mistakes would be stupid.

Then war is a war with ''stupid''.

Yes, it's all ''war-mentality'' that America and the rest of the world have together amassed approximately 3,880 active nuclear warheads and 12,119 total nuclear warheads in the world.

I guess that's not by mistake then?

Perhaps nature is just plain stupid. If we fail to adapt, we adapt to fail. So how can we adapt to the common mental belief that is separation and difference...The mental belief there is an (Us verses Them ) OR there is a ('My God verses their God ) ?

For humans, there's no such thing as a mistake, there's just the carnage that comes with the mentally constructed belief in difference and separation. Ultimately, humanity is heading toward either extinction or total self-destructive annihilation.

[Gary Childress]

So I take it Hamas is not fanatically religious, nor is Hezbollah or the Iranians, nor are the Zionists, all of whom have targeted civilians?

Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranians have clearly been going for military targets. Hamas did not plan to run into a festival on Oct 7.

Was the festival at a military base or did Hamas launch missiles into an area populated by civilians? Were all the Hamas hostages IDF soldiers or did Hamas take civilian hostages?

[godelian]

So I take it Hamas is not fanatically religious, nor is Hezbollah or the Iranians, nor are the Zionists, all of whom have targeted civilians?

Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranians have clearly been going for military targets. Hamas did not plan to run into a festival on Oct 7.

Was the festival at a military base or did Hamas launch missiles into an area populated by civilians? Were all the Hamas hostages IDF soldiers or did Hamas take civilian hostages?

Possibly. I am not privy to all of the details. We are coming close to the turning point in the war. The entry into the war of Iran and later on possibly Turkey as well.

[Gary Childress]

Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranians have clearly been going for military targets. Hamas did not plan to run into a festival on Oct 7.

Was the festival at a military base or did Hamas launch missiles into an area populated by civilians? Were all the Hamas hostages IDF soldiers or did Hamas take civilian hostages?

Possibly. I am not privy to all of the details. We are coming close to the turning point in the war. The entry into the war of Iran and later on possibly Turkey as well.

I've seen where the Arab states say they will guarantee Israel peace in exchange for a separate Palestinian state based on a return to pre-1967 borders. What if Israel would agree to a Palestinian state but not entirely a return to pre-1967 borders? Perhaps a partial return or something in between? Do you think the Arab states would settle the situation in return for that instead?

[accelafine]

So I take it Hamas is not fanatically religious, nor is Hezbollah or the Iranians, nor are the Zionists, all of whom have targeted civilians?

Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranians have clearly been going for military targets. Hamas did not plan to run into a festival on Oct 7.

Was the festival at a military base or did Hamas launch missiles into an area populated by civilians? Were all the Hamas hostages IDF soldiers or did Hamas take civilian hostages?

Yeah. Babies in the IDF. Are you just pretending to be thick?

[Gary Childress]

Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranians have clearly been going for military targets. Hamas did not plan to run into a festival on Oct 7.

Was the festival at a military base or did Hamas launch missiles into an area populated by civilians? Were all the Hamas hostages IDF soldiers or did Hamas take civilian hostages?

Yeah. Babies in the IDF. Are you just pretending to be thick?

No. I've been reading the news. I'm trying to show Godelian where he is wrong. However, he seems content to be wrong. So there's not much further to do here except put up with the "resistance". They won't budge, so it's up to Israel to budge if there is to be peace.

[accelafine]

Was the festival at a military base or did Hamas launch missiles into an area populated by civilians? Were all the Hamas hostages IDF soldiers or did Hamas take civilian hostages?

Yeah. Babies in the IDF. Are you just pretending to be thick?

No. I've been reading the news. I'm trying to show Godelian where he is wrong. However, he seems content to be wrong. So there's not much further to do here except put up with the "resistance". They won't budge, so it's up to Israel to budge if there is to be peace.

Where exactly is Israel supposed to 'budge' to? It's Hamas that keeps breaking ceasefires.
It's impossible to get any unbiased information now. Wankers have also hijacked Wikipedia so it's not worth the screen time any more. What I do know is what happened on Oct 7. Only the biggest fuckwit could deny that, since Hamas was proud of it and live-streamed it all over social media. There's no excuse or justification possible for that, which is why fuckwits need to deny it even happened, or other absurd, illogical crap like 'the Jews did it' (their usual 'go to'). Wow, it's amazing how a tiny group of people who apparently 'rule the world' and 'control everything' could have such horrible things happen to them...

[godelian]

Was the festival at a military base or did Hamas launch missiles into an area populated by civilians? Were all the Hamas hostages IDF soldiers or did Hamas take civilian hostages?

Possibly. I am not privy to all of the details. We are coming close to the turning point in the war. The entry into the war of Iran and later on possibly Turkey as well.

I've seen where the Arab states say they will guarantee Israel peace in exchange for a separate Palestinian state based on a return to pre-1967 borders. What if Israel would agree to a Palestinian state but not entirely a return to pre-1967 borders? Perhaps a partial return or something in between? Do you think the Arab states would settle the situation in return for that instead?

Netanyahu is not like the late Rabin. Netanyahu does not believe in negotiations.

The seven nation army, I e. the resistance, has invited the Zionists to the negotiation table to no avail umpteen times already.

After the turning point in the war, which will be the Stalingrad of the Zionists, the seven nation army will inevitably proceed to issuing their "Casablanca Declaration".

The objective of the war will henceforth be to summon the Zionist leadership to the negotiation table for them to sign the instrument of unconditional surrender.

[godelian]

No. I've been reading the news. I'm trying to show Godelian where he is wrong. However, he seems content to be wrong. So there's not much further to do here except put up with the "resistance". They won't budge, so it's up to Israel to budge if there is to be peace.

Hezbollah seems to be keeping the 70 000 strong IDF invasion force at bay with just a few hundred fighters.

Hezbollah does not deploy more than that because it is not needed, and because their small number makes airstrikes completely ineffective.

The IDF forward infantry platoons are vulnerable to encirclement tactics, if they venture too deep into southern Lebanon.

You probably know what that means.

Encirclement would turn into a nightmare. The IDF would rather carry out an airstrike on their own soldiers rather than to allow them to surrender. The IDF soldiers are very well aware of that.

The short of it is that Hezbollah can keep doing this pretty much forever while liberally striking targets in northern Israel on a daily basis.

[Gary Childress]

Encirclement would turn into a nightmare. The IDF would rather carry out an airstrike on their own soldiers rather than to allow them to surrender. The IDF soldiers are very well aware of that.

Well, yeah. Under normal circumstances soldiers fighting in a war are guaranteed certain rights under the Geneva convention if captured. The West generally adheres to that. Islamists seem to be into torture and beheading people. Don't you think that's barbaric on the part of Islamists? I mean, there's a reason why Israelis are afraid of capture. On the other hand if the Israelis capture them, then they are generally imprisoned. When people fight dirty like the Islamists seem to, it seems to me that they deserve to lose. Isn't this "7 nation army" essentially backing people who are barbaric and inhuman?

[accelafine]

Encirclement would turn into a nightmare. The IDF would rather carry out an airstrike on their own soldiers rather than to allow them to surrender. The IDF soldiers are very well aware of that.

Well, yeah. Under normal circumstances soldiers fighting in a war are guaranteed certain rights under the Geneva convention if captured. The West generally adheres to that. Islamists seem to be into torture and beheading people. Don't you think that's barbaric on the part of Islamists? I mean, there's a reason why Israelis are afraid of capture. On the other hand if the Israelis capture them, then they are generally imprisoned. When people fight dirty like the Islamists seem to, it seems to me that they deserve to lose. Isn't this "7 nation army" essentially backing people who are barbaric and inhuman?

He's a sleazy pervert. Why do you care what he 'thinks'??