The Ealing Interpretation

[Age]

; it's just assigning particular meanings to particular words, slipping them into a particular formula, and Bob's yer uncle, you have proven something.

ONCE MORE what you are saying and claiming here is, EXACTLY, what you adult human beings ACTUALLY DO, when 'trying to' 'justify' your 'currently' held onto beliefs, assumptions, and views.

For example, some so-called "scientists" view that the Universe began at or with some so-called 'big bang'. So, when they see data, they then assign particular meanings to particular words, and assign particular interpretations to particular parts of data, slipping them into a particular formular, and presenting them as 'evidence', for what they were just 'currently' believing, presuming, and/or believing was true anyway,

And, you "will bouwman" are living PROOF of this phenomena. As can be CLEARLY SEEN, and PROVED IRREFUTABLY Truth throughout this forum.

And, in the days hitherto when this was being written, ALL of you adult human beings were doing this EXACT SAME thing, while NOT even recognizing that you were.

[Age]

Absolutely every BELIEF you human beings want to continue to holed, no matter how False or Wrong it is, like for example, the Universe began, and/or is expanding, you human beings will 'try to' 'justify' by claiming, 'there is evidence'.

What you also don't understand is the range of reasons why people believe things.

ONCE AGAIN, your pre-existing BELIEFS are STOPPING and PREVENTING you from SEEING and RECOGNIZING the ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE Truth here.

I KNOW the range of reasons why you human beings BELIEVE things, and including the False and Incorrect things that you human beings BELIEVE.

What you, OBVIOUSLY, still do NOT YET UNDERSTAND here is WHY you, still, BELIEVE the things, which are NOT true, to be true

[Age]

There's a lot more to it than just evidence, including cultural, historical, geographical and psychological reasons. For instance I suspect the reason you refer to others as "you adult human being" is that your struggle to communicate with adult human beings makes you think you are not one yourself. It must be very lonely being you.

ONCE AGAIN, these ones just do NOT 'STAY ON TOPIC'.

They, INSTEAD, spend FAR MORE TIME FOCUSING ON 'little me', ONLY.

And, the DEEP DOWN REASON for this is BECAUSE AFTER I have REFUTED their claims they can NOT back up and support their claims anymore.

They, OBVIOUSLY, have ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF AT ALL NOR ANY ACTUAL EVIDENCE.And this IS BECAUSE NONE ACTUALLY EXISTS.

AND, the PROOF for this is these ones NOT being able to provide ANY AT ALL.

As they have been continually SHOWING and PROVING, for me, HERE.

[Age]

Anyway, back to the topic of the thread.

GREAT, and ABOUT TIME.

your own personal interpretation here about the Universe was on E smaller, once began, and is expanding is a False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect interpretation, for the reasons I have already provided.

Now, would you like to comment on the ACTUAL REASONS ALREADY PROVIDED?

If no, then THE REASONS WHY are ALREADY KNOWN.

And, if ANY one here would like to SEE and HEAR the ACTUAL evidences AND PROOFS that REFUTE and Falsify, ONCE and FOR ALL, "will bouwman's" False BELIEFS and CLAIMS in its INTERPRETATION here,.then just let me know.

If you haven't already, please do look at my cartoon book explanation of the big bang, quantum mechanics, relativity, steam engines, internal combustion engines, mechanical clocks, why ice floats and lots more. All comments and suggestions gratefully accepted*:
https://willybouwman.blogspot.com/2024/ ... ation.html

*Well, nearly all.

Why do you explain things while including your own False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect beliefs and presumptions?

Why not just leave them out?

[Will Bouwman]

...if ANY one here would like to SEE and HEAR the ACTUAL evidences AND PROOFS that REFUTE and Falsify, ONCE and FOR ALL, "will bouwman's" False BELIEFS and CLAIMS in its INTERPRETATION here,.then just let me know.

Yes please.

[Age]

...if ANY one here would like to SEE and HEAR the ACTUAL evidences AND PROOFS that REFUTE and Falsify, ONCE and FOR ALL, "will bouwman's" False BELIEFS and CLAIMS in its INTERPRETATION here,.then just let me know.

Yes please.

Well I have presented, and thus shown, some of them to you already "will bouwman".

The fact that you have not yet responded to them implies that you are not yet ready nor willing to openly discuss things here. There is then also no use presenting the rest of the evidences that prove, once and for all, that the Universe did not, and could not, begin.

[seeds]

...if ANY one here would like to SEE and HEAR the ACTUAL evidences AND PROOFS that REFUTE and Falsify, ONCE and FOR ALL, "will bouwman's" False BELIEFS and CLAIMS in its INTERPRETATION here,.then just let me know.

Yes please.

It seems as though the forum's resident channeled entity (/toddler) thinks that the modern scientific sources of information that form the basis of your "interpretation" are unreliable and misleading.

However, this begs the questions of how, and from where and whom did Age acquire the information that makes him (her/it) so cocksure that the earth isn't flat, and that the sun doesn't move around the earth?

Did Age somehow literally travel out into space and verify those facts for himself?

Or,...

...did Age read about those conclusions in books (or papers or lectures) written by other humans?

And the point is, why are his (her/its) sources of scientific information regarding heliocentrism and a spherical earth so infallible and trustworthy, while yours are idiotic and bogus?

Oh, and btw,...

...of course it goes without saying that Age implying that you are "...an ABSOLUTE or COMPLETE 'idiot'..." doesn't mean what us adult human beings think it means. For, clearly, only someone who is truly STUPID would think that being called an "idiot" is insulting or derogatory in any way.

Oh wait,...according to Age, you, Will Bouwman, are STUPID. Sheesh, maybe Age's "GUTOE" (if he ever actually reveals it to us) will not only clarify the status of the universe, but even provide us with the true meanings of the words and acronyms we use.
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[Age]

...if ANY one here would like to SEE and HEAR the ACTUAL evidences AND PROOFS that REFUTE and Falsify, ONCE and FOR ALL, "will bouwman's" False BELIEFS and CLAIMS in its INTERPRETATION here,.then just let me know.

Yes please.

It seems as though the forum's resident channeled entity (/toddler) thinks that the modern scientific sources of information that form the basis of your "interpretation" are unreliable and misleading.

ONCE AGAIN, assumptions are made, then concluded to be true, and then BELIEVED to be true, all while absolutely NO clarification, nor clarity, is even SOUGHT OUT, let alone OBTAINED and GAINED.

Which, AGAIN, as I have been POINTING OUT, and these posters here have been PROVING ABSOLUTELY True.

However, this begs the questions of how, and from where and whom did Age acquire the information that makes him (her/it) so cocksure that the earth isn't flat, and that the sun doesn't move around the earth?

What an ABSOLUTE IDIOTIC thing to wonder.

Why does this one NOT wonder HOW, from WHERE, and from WHOM I am ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLY SURE that the Universe did NOT begin, was NOT once smaller, and is NOT expanding? Which is, and was, the 'popular BELIEF', in the days when this was being written. Which is EXACTLY like HOW those other False and Wrongs things WERE the 'popular BELIEF', ALSO, once upon a time.

This one is SO CLOSED here it has NOT 'seen', and thus can NOT even fathom and comprehend, what 'it' is, exactly, that has been talked ABOUT here.

This one's views here are SO NARROWED that all it call 'look at', 'focus one', and 'see' here is 'me', alone.

What this one is doing here is, EXACTLY, what I have been POINTING OUT and CLAIMING about HOW the brain works, and WHY human beings took SO LONG to CATCH UP, HERE.

Did Age somehow literally travel out into space and verify those facts for himself?

Or,...

...did Age read about those conclusions in books (or papers or lectures) written by other humans?

AGAIN, this one is DOING, EXACTLY, what I have said and claimed in regards to WHY they took SO, SO LONG, HERE.

This one is, AGAIN, is asking 'others' about 'me'. And, LOL, NOT to obtain ACTUAL Truth, nor INSIGHT, but to 'try to' garner support AGAINST 'me'. Which is ABSOLUTELY LAUGHABLE considering what it and the others have been and are, still, completely MISSING, MISUNDERSTANDING, and MISINTERPRETING, HERE.

And the point is, why are his (her/its) sources of scientific information regarding heliocentrism and a spherical earth so infallible and trustworthy, while yours are idiotic and bogus?

AGAIN, this one's interpretations could not be more SKEWED, TWISTED, DISTORTED, or just plain False and Wrong, here.

But, this one, like the others, here will NOT question this, AT ALL. They will just BELIEVE, and ABSOLUTELY, that it is 'me' who has all, and if not all just about all, things Wrong, here.

Oh, and btw,...

...of course it goes without saying that Age implying that you are "...an ABSOLUTE or COMPLETE 'idiot'..." doesn't mean what us adult human beings think it means. For, clearly, only someone who is truly STUPID would think that being called an "idiot" is insulting or derogatory in any way.

What can be CLEARLY SEEN here, AGAIN, is that this one did NOT comprehend NOR hear a word I wrote before in reply to its use of 'artificial intelligence', in the HOPE that it would help back up and support it in any way here

Oh wait,...according to Age, you, Will Bouwman, are STUPID. Sheesh, maybe Age's "GUTOE" (if he ever actually reveals it to us) will not only clarify the status of the universe, but even provide us with the true meanings of the words and acronyms we use.
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MAYBE, or MAYBE NOT?

BUT, you WILL HAVE TO WAIT, TO SEE, right?

Also, and by the way, your use of the words, 'begs the questions', is NOT HOW that term or phrase is used by others in the context of 'philosophy', nor in 'philosophy forums'.

But, you are already aware of what you call the 'true meanings of the words that you use', correct?

[Will Bouwman]

...if ANY one here would like to SEE and HEAR the ACTUAL evidences AND PROOFS that REFUTE and Falsify, ONCE and FOR ALL, "will bouwman's" False BELIEFS and CLAIMS in its INTERPRETATION here,.then just let me know.

Yes please.

Well I have presented, and thus shown, some of them to you already "will bouwman".

I'm afraid there's no glory in defining the universe as infinite and taking your definition as proof that the universe is how you define it. I can prove you are frukulent pokdurst by exactly the same means. That's why people in the future, however intelligent and open they be, still won't take frukulent pokdursts like you seriously.

The fact that you have not yet responded to them implies that you are not yet ready nor willing to openly discuss things here.

That, together with your habit of referring to human beings as if you aren't a member leads me to conclude that you are from the planet Squetl, where any Squetlian who remembers what they had for breakfast at lunchtime, is considered to have a long memory.

There is then also no use presenting the rest of the evidences that prove, once and for all, that the Universe did not, and could not, begin.

Make your mind up. You insist that proof trumps evidence. The only thing that can be proven about the universe using language is that something exists. If the sentence 'Something exists' exists, then the sentence cannot be wrong. There is no other sentence about the universe that cannot be wrong. That is the standard of proof that your 'The universe is infinite because I say so' doesn't meet.

[Age]

Anyway, back to the topic of the thread. If you haven't already, please do look at my cartoon book explanation of the big bang, quantum mechanics, relativity, steam engines, internal combustion engines, mechanical clocks, why ice floats and lots more. All comments and suggestions gratefully accepted*:
https://willybouwman.blogspot.com/2024/ ... ation.html

*Well, nearly all.

AGAIN, comments and/or suggestions that REFUTE or COUNTER this one's BELIEFS and CLAIMS will not be 'gratefully accepted'.

This one, as it has CLEARLY SHOWN, likes, and wants, PRAISE, and/or AGREEMENT, ONLY.

[Age]

Yes please.

Well I have presented, and thus shown, some of them to you already "will bouwman".

I'm afraid there's no glory in defining the universe as infinite and taking your definition as proof that the universe is how you define it.

Well considering the IRREFUTABLE Fact that I have NEVER defined the word 'Universe', as; 'infinite', what you say here is, also, COMPLETELY and UTTERLY MOOT.

Also, have you YET provided 'your definition' for the 'Universe' word?

If I recall correctly I have previously asked you to.

I can prove you are frukulent pokdurst by exactly the same means. That's why people in the future, however intelligent and open they be, still won't take frukulent pokdursts like you seriously.

This here is ANOTHER PRIME example of WHY these people, back then, took SO LONG.

The fact that you have not yet responded to them implies that you are not yet ready nor willing to openly discuss things here.

That, together with your habit of referring to human beings as if you aren't a member leads me to conclude that you are from the planet Squetl, where any Squetlian who remembers what they had for breakfast at lunchtime, is considered to have a long memory.

ONCE AGAIN, this one made an ATTEMPT at 'trying to' show that its claim, and BELIEF, that the Universe was once smaller, and is expanding, and thus is not infinite, to which I COUNTERED.

Then, because this one has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL to refute, nor counter, what I showed about how what it showed and 'tried to' use, was Wrong and thus did NOT WORK, it does NOTHING MORE than just 'try to' RIDICULE 'me'.

LOL "will bouwman" this here is A PHILOSOPHY FORUM. So, treat it as such.

you 'tried to' use that VERY OLD 'attempt' of 'The Universe is not infinite because if It were, then the 'night sky' would be light up like day light. Now, I provided explanations of WHY that would NOT be True. So, are you going to respond to what I said and SHOWED here? Or, are you going to just COMPLETELY IGNORE this, as well, and just 'TRY TO' ATTEMPT to BELITTLE 'me', instead?

Look "will bouwman", do you want to 'argue', 'logically reason', here? Or, do you, REALLY, just prefer to 'try to' make 'personal attacks' of 'me', only?

you CLAIMED that;
It is possible that beyond the visible universe, there is an infinity of empty space;
There is also the other, which you appear to have not looked into, nor maybe have ever even considered.
There is however an issue with any hypothesis that the universe is infinite and is filled with an infinite number of stars.
If it is also infinite in age, then every line of sight will end at a star and given an infinity of time, the light from that star will have reached Earth, and the night sky should be as light as day.

Now to be ABSOLUTE CLEAR.

1. Contrary to what 'appeared' to you, I have looked into AND have considered that VERY OLD ATTEMPT at the above 'argument' that you have 'tried to' use here, Which, by the way, I had ALREADY TALKED ABOUT and COUNTERED in this forum, previous to this thread.

2. If you are not even going to acknowledge what I POINTED OUT and PRESENTED, and just want to make 'more arguments' that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL to do with ABSOLUTELY ANY thing that I have ACTUALLY SAID and WRITTEN here, then you are DOING, EXACTLY, what I have been POINTING OUT and SHOWING what you adult human beings USED TO DO, back in the 'VERY OLDEN DAYS, while you were HOLDING ONTO BELIEFS and VIEWS that you could NOT back up and support.

3. you have become SO TWISTED and DISTORTED here you are CLAIMING things that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL to do with what I have SHOWED, PRESENTED, POINTED OUT, and ARGUED FOR here.

There is then also no use presenting the rest of the evidences that prove, once and for all, that the Universe did not, and could not, begin.

Make your mind up.

ONCE AGAIN, there is NO such thing as 'your mind'.

You insist that proof trumps evidence.

Do you DISAGREE with this?

The only thing that can be proven about the universe using language is that something exists.

LOL

Every time I PROVE some thing to be IRREFUTABLY True here, you, laughingly, claim that NOTHING besides the above can be PROVEN.

Yet all the time, still, 'trying' your HARDEST to claim that the Universe was once smaller, is expanding, and did begin.

If the sentence 'Something exists' exists, then the sentence cannot be wrong.
There is no other sentence about the universe that cannot be wrong. That is the standard of proof that your 'The universe is infinite because I say so' doesn't meet.

LOL
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And this here is ABSOLUTE PRIME PROOF of just how CLOSED, BLIND, DEAF, and STUPID one BECOMES when they are HOLDING ONTO PRESUMPTIONS, and PRE-EXITING BELIEFS and VIEWS.

LOL "will bouwman" AGAIN, I have NEVER EVER said nor stated absolutely ANYWHERE ANY thing like you are 'trying to' SAY and CLAIM here.

you are presenting ABSOLUTE SILLINESS, and NOTHING what I have ACTUALLY SAID and WRITTEN here. And, again, this is because the thinking within 'that body' has become SO TWISTED and DISTORTED.

you are, literally, SEEING and HEARING things that have NEVER been WRITTEN, nor SAID. And, AGAIN, because of the assumptions, beliefs, and views that you are 'currently' HOLDING ONTO here.

[Age]

The Universe IS infinite AND eternal BECAUSE the scientific data SHOWS and REVEALS this.

I have NEVER EVER defined the 'Universe' as infinite NOR eternal ANYWHERE in this forum. As my words here SHOW and PROVE this.

Scientific data SHOWS and PROVES that the 'Universe', Itself, (when defined as, Everything; totality; all there is,), is eternal AND infinite.

And, if absolutely ANY one would like to DISCUSS this, then just let me know.

The 'ealing interpretation', like the 'flat earth interpretation', and like the 'geocentric interpretation', were just outdated and superseded descriptions and interpretations, which would have better off NEVER have been made up, nor presented. As doing so only CONFUSED things here.

There is absolutely NO use making up models nor presumptions, nor theorizing and hypothesizing, especially when the One and only True, Right, Accurate, Correct Knowledge can be SEEN, EXPRESSED, and TAKEN, INSTEAD.

When 'the OLD way' of just making GUESSES, and then 'LOOKING', is just gotten RID OF and LET GO OF, COMPLETELY, then 'the NEW, and much faster, simpler, and easier, way' of LEARNING, COMPREHENDING, and UNDERSTANDING CAN BEGIN.

[Will Bouwman]

The Universe IS infinite AND eternal BECAUSE the scientific data SHOWS and REVEALS this.

First clarifying question:
What scientific data?

[seeds]

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I think I understand what's going on here...

(see next post)
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[seeds]

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...I'm just guessing, but it would appear as if the "Mandella Effect," and by extrapolation, the "Many Worlds Theory" are real.

Me, Will Bouwman, and Atla, to name a few, occupy a world where we witness Age making certain claims and assertions, while the channeled entity that uses Age's/Ken's body, flits back and forth between worlds where he says something in one world but not in the other.

And we always seem to be talking to the version of this entity who can't seem to keep straight which parallel world he is in.

Whaddya think?
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