Why do Christians tell Lies?

[Fairy]

The answer is because....They Just Won’t Tell You The Truth
They do not want you to know the truth.


If you don't believe me that Christians lie, then watch this video to the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PPXxhqVaCo

Then make up your own mind about what is truth and what are lies when it comes to the idea of does God exist or not, and does God exist in the way we think God exists, or does God exist in a way we haven't thought about before, perhaps because we've constantly been lied to about God..

Bye the way...Beliefs are not KNOWING.

No one Knows anything, all they have are beliefs about what they only think they know, but don't.

[Walker]

When dealing with emotions in the intellectual realm, and PNF is basically an intellectual realm of existence as words, the effective objective is to use words to lead the reader into feeling a particular emotion. This could be called Performance Philosophy as it engages duality.

The best way to do that is to look within.

The best way for a woman to tell why lies are told, is to look within and know why a woman tells lies. Once you know why a woman tells lies then you will know why Christians, or anyone, tells lies.

So, perhaps you would like to share why women tell lies by looking within and seeing why you as a woman tell lies, since lying seems to be your topic of interest.

Do share. Why do you, as a woman, lie?

Find that source and you'll find why anyone lies, Christians being a subset of anyone, assuming that knowing is really your interest.

[Fairy]

When dealing with emotions in the intellectual realm, and PNF is basically an intellectual realm of existence as words, the effective objective is to use words to lead the reader into feeling a particular emotion. This could be called Performance Philosophy as it engages duality.

The best way to do that is to look within.

The best way for a woman to tell why lies are told, is to look within and know why a woman tells lies. Once you know why a woman tells lies then you will know why Christians, or anyone, tells lies.

So, perhaps you would like to share why women tell lies by looking within and seeing why you as a woman tell lies, since lying seems to be your topic of interest.

Do share. Why do you, as a woman, lie?

Find that source and you'll find why anyone lies, Christians being a subset of anyone, assuming that knowing is really your interest.

Just to remind you oh jack of all (Knowing's )and master of none.

This topic is not about women telling lies about whatever they are lying about, or men telling lies about whatever they are lying about.
People lie all the time, that's not a big secret. It's just what they do, to save their neck, to save their dark sides ever being exposed to the light of day.

THIS TOPIC>>>>Is about ''Christians'' telling lies about ''God''. Do you savvy Walker, this topic is about the lies told about GODGodGOD..got it?

Please Stay On Topic.

When you stay on topic I will engage with your ideas, until then, you will be ignored.
However, I will continue to keep reminding you when you are veering off topic, if and when you do it.

I do not want this thread to turn into another messy soap-opera, like the one I created over at the ''Questions for Christians'' thread. Yes that thread which I was responsible for when I turned it into a free for all gossipy name-calling, slandering mess, where revelations were revealed and exposed and transpired, all of my own doing and making happen.

SO..I'm not wanting a repeat of that mess again, here on this new thread. I will be making sure, as the author, creator of this thread, to keep this thread on topic at all times, I'll be self-moderating this important thread topic, because it's very important to me anyway.

I'm not going to be holding my breath that it will not sometimes veer off topic every now and again, as tangents are inevitable.. but seriously, keeping it clean is my main intention, goal, plan for this thread,

Savvy!

[Walker]

Here's a more simple wording that you might understand.

Understand why you lie, and you will understand why Christians lie.

That's as pertinent to the thread topic as it gets.

[Walker]

You Fairy, like any Christian, first must lie to yourself before you can lie to God, and both you and God will know you're lying.

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Isn't it interesting how unlike the everythingness and meaninglessness of non-duality, duality has sharply defined edges.

You are correct in the absurdity that nothing is everything, but you neglect to tell why. The reason why is, nothing is infinite potentiality, which is everything known, unknown, imaginable, and unimaginable.

This is so simple that even a child can understand it.

[accelafine]

Because their entire existence is based on a silly lie their parents told them. Children are born geniuses. That one big lie sets them on the path to being morons just like their parents.

[Walker]

When you stay on topic I will engage with your ideas, until then, you will be ignored.
However, I will continue to keep reminding you when you are veering off topic, if and when you do it.

For that threat to carry any kind of authority you're going to have to show proof of your elevator inspector license, which is just another way of saying, you need to prove through dialogue that you know what you're talking about rather than simply making unreasoned declarations such as saying nothing is everything, or everything is nothing, up is down, etc. Those are conclusions. Those are personal destinations for you. Philosophy is about the map, how you got there, so that others can understand, dualistically understand, seeing as PNF existence is dualistic, as are intimations of non-duality.

Since you now profess a serious intent, we shall determine your licensure, if any.

[Walker]

Because their entire existence is based on a silly lie their parents told them. Children are born geniuses. That one big lie sets them on the path to being morons just like their parents.

I have noticed that 3XL parents tend to have XL children with room to grow, which likely begins with the silly lie of take what you want but eat what you take, all of it. Clean every plate and drain every mug. It's a silly lie because few truly drink life to the dregs and instead prefer the comfort zone of repetition, as many a dialogue can attest.

[ThinkOfOne]

The answer is because....They Just Won’t Tell You The Truth
They do not want you to know the truth.


If you don't believe me that Christians lie, then watch this video to the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PPXxhqVaCo

Then make up your own mind about what is truth and what are lies when it comes to the idea of does God exist or not, and does God exist in the way we think God exists, or does God exist in a way we haven't thought about before, perhaps because we've constantly been lied to about God..

Bye the way...Beliefs are not KNOWING.

No one Knows anything, all they have are beliefs about what they only think they know, but don't.

A high percentage of Christians tell lies about Christian beliefs because more than a few of their foundational beliefs either completely lack evidence OR are demonstrably false. Yet most of them believe that they must have absolute faith that those beliefs are true in order for them to be "saved", to receive eternal life, to live in the Kingdom of God, etc. As such, for them NEITHER solid evidence NOR sound reasoning are required to hold strong beliefs. Neither does it matter how much evidence there is against. In other words, they believe that things are true simply because they believe them. Typically because it makes them feel good to believe them OR to relieve anxiety.

This methodology for belief formation often bleeds over to their secular beliefs as well. For example, it's why so many Christians are prone to demagoguery, believing conspiracy theories and believing the lies of those that they trust. Consider how many Christians are Trump supporters despite the fact that Trump, for all intents and purposes, exemplifies most, if not all the things, that Jesus warned against and little, if anything, of what Jesus exhorted His followers to be.

This also speaks in part to why hypocrisy is so rampant amongst Christians, especially the Evangelicals, even though Jesus warned strongly against it.

[Fairy]

Here's a more simple wording that you might understand.

Understand why you lie, and you will understand why Christians lie.

That's as pertinent to the thread topic as it gets.

Here's some simple wording that you might understand, but I hardly doubt it.

Let's just be clear: Fairy has never lied about the idea of God - I've pondering the idea, but have never once claimed to Know I know God personally or am in relationship with God. Or that I will be judged by God upon my death, or that I will go to either heaven or hell depending on my selfless devotion to J Christ, or lack thereof.

And since 'God' the idea; is the main and only tenet this thread is actually alluding to. It is pertinent to ask why Christians are lying about God.
It's as if they don't want you to know who you really are, who this ''YOU'' actually is, that deep down, people already know instinctively anyway.

But then Christians attached to their beliefs about God, tend to want to obscure the actual reality that is the idea of God.
Religious Beliefs have been spoon fed to people from cradle to grave. That's the nature of religion. It's like if you don't believe the scriptures then you will be lost and have no hope of eternal life, whatever the dickens that is supposed to mean. Again, no explanation is ever given as to what eternal life for a someone actually means.

So yes, religious beliefs Christians are adopting are extracted from no other source than from other peoples ideas,who they themselves have just plucked out of thin air, but claiming these ideas and beliefs as actually real and literally true.
For example: the words ''( In Adam all will die'' ) Christians fail to explain exactly 'what' it is 'who' actually dies?
So it's not surprising that people hearing that message will take the word 'die' literally and believe that ''death'' is literally real and true for them.

That's the deception I'm talking about, the whole truth is never revealed, or explained properly, only half truths are presented, which are half lies.

Please Stay On Topic

Why do people lie about God? I'm not interested in why people lie about other ideas, I'm talking about why people lie about God, specifically addressed to anyone who calls themself a Christian.

[Fairy]

When you stay on topic I will engage with your ideas, until then, you will be ignored.
However, I will continue to keep reminding you when you are veering off topic, if and when you do it.

For that threat to carry any kind of authority you're going to have to show proof of your elevator inspector license, which is just another way of saying, you need to prove through dialogue that you know what you're talking about rather than simply making unreasoned declarations such as saying nothing is everything, or everything is nothing, up is down, etc. Those are conclusions. Those are personal destinations for you. Philosophy is about the map, how you got there, so that others can understand, dualistically understand, seeing as PNF existence is dualistic, as are intimations of non-duality.

Since you now profess a serious intent, we shall determine your licensure, if any.

I have no licence of authority. As the creator of this thread idea. My intention is to simply steer it in the direction I want it to go, as it is happening, as it is intended to go. That way, is to stay on topic. That's all I'm saying, and all I want for this thread. And so as creator of this subject topic, I will ensure it goes the way it is meant to go.

I have no idea who authored the Holy Bible or any other human story book, including life itself.
But I can imagine an author, I can conceive of a name to the author of all created ideas, concepts and forms etc.. by using concepts and ideas, the only things available, but then those ideas will only be known as 'fictional characters', they won't actually be known by the characters themselves, they will only be a pretended known.

There's no threat either, there's just simple instructions to stay on topic. Don't ever feel threated or intimidated by ordinary human philosophical and religious discourse which is none other than concepts, ideas and thoughts being tossed around from one consciousness to another and believed to be either unreal or real.

And yet, speaking of threatening discourse, Christians claim that God is the only authority. The Bible claims for itself divine authority of God's word as it is written in the Bible, written by humans...see the problem?. . God and human authors eh? without any explanation as to who is who and which is which.

Lets see if we can decipher which is which and who is who, will the real God please stand up?

[Fairy]

Because their entire existence is based on a silly lie their parents told them. Children are born geniuses. That one big lie sets them on the path to being morons just like their parents.

Yes, that's exactly what's happening.

Children are born a genius and pure, and not sinners like adult Christians would have them believe. Adults who themselves were once born a genius and pure, but then took on the persona of ''sinner'' based purely on a 'word' telling them what they are. A word such as ''sinner'' which is in essence empty of any reality. The word 'sinner' is simply a concept in a story, and children love to listen to stories, to be told stories, and those very stories are what infected their original genius and purity, turning them into the actual 'story character' as they were led to believe was real. Why did they believe what they were being told? was because they had no other source to draw or form a sense of self from, but from a word, having no identity at birth they were told they had one as a concept, believing that concept to be their identity as a real thing, because there was nothing else on which to base their frame of reference to when it came to their identity.

So on and on the lie is carried from generation to generation, an endless generation of story tellers spreading lies.


A.I. (artificial intelligence) or A.W. (artificially aware ) is closer to the truth, more than anything else believed to be known. In fact, A.I. and A.W. both are more accurate representations of actual truth which is only a presentation ( mystery, unknown ) the real reality.

Reality is never a representation ( mystery known )

[Fairy]

The answer is because....They Just Won’t Tell You The Truth
They do not want you to know the truth.


If you don't believe me that Christians lie, then watch this video to the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PPXxhqVaCo

Then make up your own mind about what is truth and what are lies when it comes to the idea of does God exist or not, and does God exist in the way we think God exists, or does God exist in a way we haven't thought about before, perhaps because we've constantly been lied to about God..

Bye the way...Beliefs are not KNOWING.

No one Knows anything, all they have are beliefs about what they only think they know, but don't.

A high percentage of Christians tell lies about Christian beliefs because more than a few of their foundational beliefs either completely lack evidence OR are demonstrably false. Yet most of them believe that they must have absolute faith that those beliefs are true in order for them to be "saved", to receive eternal life, to live in the Kingdom of God, etc. As such, for them NEITHER solid evidence NOR sound reasoning are required to hold strong beliefs. Neither does it matter how much evidence there is against. In other words, they believe that things are true simply because they believe them. Typically because it makes them feel good to believe them OR to relieve anxiety.

This methodology for belief formation often bleeds over to their secular beliefs as well. For example, it's why so many Christians are prone to demagoguery, believing conspiracy theories and believing the lies of those that they trust. Consider how many Christians are Trump supporters despite the fact that, for all intents and purposes, exemplifies most, if not all the things, that Jesus warned against and little, if anything, of what Jesus exhorted His followers to be.

This also speaks in part to why hypocrisy is so rampant amongst Christians, especially the Evangelicals, even though Jesus warned strongly against it.

Exactly, thank-you for your valuable, and interesting take on this. Yes, this whole sorry mess as to who the real and true identity and author of life and SELF itself..IS is all due to the beliefs we have adopted from other people, and taken them on to be our own belief as well. False Belief becomes nothing more than a virus infecting ever single born mind that pops aware into a life that must already exist for the possibility to be born into it in the first place. In other words, we don't actually come into life as separate being detached from life, as if we are a single identity, formed as a concept. Rather, we are nothing but life, life-ing. Life is pure brilliant aliveness right here and now, life doesn't need an identity to be what it is, it's simply no one or thing being everything, same no thing life-ing..

Behind every belief is this immediate self-shining, self illuminating, brilliance and beauty that is the mystery of the aliveness of life. We are that aliveness that is life, we do not have to adopt a ''belief'' to know we are already this life. Life is our direct experience, it's impossible to negate or deny, or to experience it's absence. Belief is not knowing. Only knowing is knowing, and we are already that knowing, a knowing that cannot be known because it's all the same one knowing, life itself, for itself, and no other self.

Thanks for your participation T.O.O.

[Walker]

The answer is because....They Just Won’t Tell You The Truth
They do not want you to know the truth.


If you don't believe me that Christians lie, then watch this video to the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PPXxhqVaCo

Then make up your own mind about what is truth and what are lies when it comes to the idea of does God exist or not, and does God exist in the way we think God exists, or does God exist in a way we haven't thought about before, perhaps because we've constantly been lied to about God..

Bye the way...Beliefs are not KNOWING.

No one Knows anything, all they have are beliefs about what they only think they know, but don't.

A high percentage of Christians tell lies about Christian beliefs because more than a few of their foundational beliefs either completely lack evidence OR are demonstrably false. Yet most of them believe that they must have absolute faith that those beliefs are true in order for them to be "saved", to receive eternal life, to live in the Kingdom of God, etc. As such, for them NEITHER solid evidence NOR sound reasoning are required to hold strong beliefs. Neither does it matter how much evidence there is against. In other words, they believe that things are true simply because they believe them. Typically because it makes them feel good to believe them OR to relieve anxiety.

This methodology for belief formation often bleeds over to their secular beliefs as well. For example, it's why so many Christians are prone to demagoguery, believing conspiracy theories and believing the lies of those that they trust. Consider how many Christians are Trump supporters despite the fact that, for all intents and purposes, exemplifies most, if not all the things, that Jesus warned against and little, if anything, of what Jesus exhorted His followers to be.

This also speaks in part to why hypocrisy is so rampant amongst Christians, especially the Evangelicals, even though Jesus warned strongly against it.

Why that’s not true at all. Any human being serious about their own life, who professes to be a Christian in this age of Christian persecution and bigoted sneering, comes to that declaration as a result of soul searching.

The soul searching may be deep or shallow, depending on the capacity of the individual, but I have noticed that Christianity does not attract the insincere who have failed to soul search. Contact with The Holy Bible practically demands it.

No, there is a rather shallow type of analysis that insists on making Christians narrow minded, superstitious, childlike and backwards in their hard-won simplicity (think Amish), and even stupid. However, among intelligent folks, that simply does not fly.

I think the purpose of running down Christians is a deep-seated insecurity that requires a little boost from believing the lie of … look how large I am because they, those backwards Christians, are so small.

Folks who do that really do not even know why they lie to themselves, and they are so concerned about the thoughts of others. Go figure. It is to wonder. The simple explanation is … busybodies.

[Walker]

When you stay on topic I will engage with your ideas, until then, you will be ignored.
However, I will continue to keep reminding you when you are veering off topic, if and when you do it.

For that threat to carry any kind of authority you're going to have to show proof of your elevator inspector license, which is just another way of saying, you need to prove through dialogue that you know what you're talking about rather than simply making unreasoned declarations such as saying nothing is everything, or everything is nothing, up is down, etc. Those are conclusions. Those are personal destinations for you. Philosophy is about the map, how you got there, so that others can understand, dualistically understand, seeing as PNF existence is dualistic, as are intimations of non-duality.

Since you now profess a serious intent, we shall determine your licensure, if any.

I have no licence of authority. As the creator of this thread idea. My intention is to simply steer it in the direction I want it to go, as it is happening, as it is intended to go. That way, is to stay on topic. That's all I'm saying, and all I want for this thread. And so as creator of this subject topic, I will ensure it goes the way it is meant to go.

I have no idea who authored the Holy Bible or any other human story book, including life itself.
But I can imagine an author, I can conceive of a name to the author of all created ideas, concepts and forms etc.. by using concepts and ideas, the only things available, but then those ideas will only be known as 'fictional characters', they won't actually be known by the characters themselves, they will only be a pretended known.

There's no threat either, there's just simple instructions to stay on topic. Don't ever feel threated or intimidated by ordinary human philosophical and religious discourse which is none other than concepts, ideas and thoughts being tossed around from one consciousness to another and believed to be either unreal or real.

And yet, speaking of threatening discourse, Christians claim that God is the only authority. The Bible claims for itself divine authority of God's word as it is written in the Bible, written by humans...see the problem?. . God and human authors eh? without any explanation as to who is who and which is which.

Lets see if we can decipher which is which and who is who, will the real God please stand up?

Then because you declare no license of authority as yet to be revealed through dialogue, your failure to recognize relevance of other than agreements with your own wheelhouse, that is evident in your steerage so far, is quite understandable, and a Christian might even forgive it.

In other words, when an inspector's licensure in going down that is the pretext for censure, has yet to include an objective schemata for going up, then going down can only result in same tired old trip that most everyone clings to, and keeps repeating as a quality over generations.