What Are Coincidences, and How Much in Life Is Coincidence or Something More?

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Re: What Are Coincidences, and How Much in Life Is Coincidence or Something More?

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attofishpi wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:05 pm
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:37 pm The idea of 'delusion' is an important area, especially in mental health assessment as well as philosophy. However, it may be erroneous to box people with different beliefs as delusional, as a form of philosophical fundamentalism. It rules out uncertainty and free thinking.
Well being labelled 'delusional' by a professional made me a shed load of money. :shock:

God works in mysterious ways.
So, are you here 'trying to' imply that God wanted the one human being known here as "attofishpi" to obtain a "shed load of money", as you call it, which may actually be relatively not much at all, but anyway are you 'trying to' imply that God wanted you to obtain 'more money' than you had before, while there are children all around the world DYING from STARVATION?

If yes, then WHY would God want "attofishpi" to gain MORE 'money' here for, exactly?
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Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:05 pm
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:37 pm

But you are only looking at linguistics.
No what I am pointing out is cumulative evidence, do you need more?

Jack Daydream wrote:Philosophy goes deeper than that, with or without the idea of 'God'.
Faithless "philosophy" leaves you fathoming in the depths of a puddle.

Jack Daydream wrote:The idea of 'delusion' is an important area, especially in mental health assessment as well as philosophy. However, it may be erroneous to box people with different beliefs as delusional, as a form of philosophical fundamentalism. It rules out uncertainty and free thinking.
Well being labelled 'delusional' by a professional made me a shed load of money. :shock:

God works in mysterious ways.
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm Wise PUPILS of the light ---->COINCIDENCE :?:
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I am all in favour of cumulative evidence but it is not easy to demonstrate always. A lot of my own thinking is based on life experience,
Could you provide just one example of your own thinking that is NOT based on 'life experience'?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm which is often dismissed within philosophy as lacking objectivity
So, why then express them, within so-called 'philosophy'?

Why not just express only 'that', which could not be refuted, ONLY?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm I do often wonder about giving up on philosophy writing and writing fiction because it has more creative freedom. Philosophy is becoming almost an appendix to science.
Will you provide any of your 'philosophy writing' here?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm I am sorry that you got labelled by a professional as 'delusional'.
But, did you not see that "attofishpi" LOVES that it got called 'delusional' because it, supposedly and allegedly, received a so-called "shed load of money' for that.

Also, if someone got labeled 'delusional', by a "professional", because they are/were 'delusional', then why are you 'sorry' for this?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm I think that I became close to delusional while I was at school and at university. That is because I was struggling to come to terms with horrible premonitions and synchronicities. I had a number of premonitions of people's deaths a short while before they died, including my headmaster. As so many were in a short period of time and I could not explain them I worried briefly that it was me causing the deaths. However, I was able to reason that was unlikely.
So, you NEVER were actually ABLE TO REASON that it was NOT 'you', and only that it was 'unlikely', you, correct?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm It was my experience of premonitions and synchronicities which stopped me going down the path of atheistic materialism. For a long while, I held onto conventional Christian beliefs but it then became apparent that many mainstream Christian beliefs were too literalistic.
How is some thing so-called 'too literalistic', exactly?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm So, I have continued down the pathway to a search for truth incorporating various religious perspectives, science and all worldviews.
How does 'one' FIND ALL worldviews, exactly, considering the fact that there are about eight billion worldviews, at the very time of this writing?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm I do agree that some philosophies, 'leaves you fathoming in the depths of a puddle'. I see a lot of mystery, even though many wish to see philosophy as solving the mysteries in a neat way.
I wonder if these people have YET realized in how many DIFFERENT WAYS they use the 'philosophy' word, exactly?
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Re: What Are Coincidences, and How Much in Life Is Coincidence or Something More?

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ThinkOfOne wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:31 pm
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:10 pm
ThinkOfOne wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:17 pm

Not sure why you make a distinction between "chance meetings" and "the common occurrence of thinking of someone just as they pick up the phone and other 'unusual' experiences". Because it's more "common"? How is that relevant?

Following seems to be a solid definition of "superstition" as to what's being discussed here:
"a widely held but unjustified belief in supernatural causation leading to certain consequences of an action or event".

How is what's being discussed here not fit that definition of "superstition" and why do you believe that it's not likewise "a problem"?



Which is why I wrote "unknown/supernatural force". You seem to believe that this is of some significance, but I'm at a loss as to what that might be.
Each of us probably understands and interprets life experiences differently. My connection between 'chance meetings' and experiences of a person phoning just as they were thinking of them are ones I am familiar with, and ones people describe to me. Maybe, you have never had the phone experience. In experience, a lot of interpretation is about working out what is significant and what is not.

In the example of chance meetings, so many people are met on a daily basis and some will play a significant role in life and others will not. Personally, I have found that sometimes the people who become close friends are met in the strangest circumstances.

For example, someone who is my closest friend was someone I knew at school but not very well. However, I saw her a few years later and while we were talking her shoe broke. She came home to see if my mother had a suitable pair of shoes for her to borrow and that is how I got to know her. Similarly, one friend I got to know was someone who was moving out from the room which I was moving into. You may think that I am blowing these examples out of proportion but I find it hard to find friends even when I go to places and events for that specific purpose.

Your definition of superstition is interesting because it draws on the primitive idea of sympathetic magic. That is because it is about seeing relationships and working with underlying patterns for effects. The most obvious example is voodoo magic. Historically, superstitions about certain numbers etc was a watered down version of this. Nevertheless, there are certain underlying sympathies in nature. For instance, often people who have body transplant parts of another, such as a kidney, find that the part fails on the death of the original owner. It is part of the way of interconnectedness in nature.

You seem to think that I read too much into your remark about the 'supernatural' or 'force'. That is because I grew up in a Catholic background with a belief that God has a specific path for each person. I have changed my belief system many times and do query the idea of what is the supernatural. I do think that there may be some underlying consciousness, or divinity, underlying all nature but rather than it being simply transcendent as 'supernature', see it as being imminent in nature itself.
For instance, often people who have body transplant parts of another, such as a kidney, find that the part fails on the death of the original owner. It is part of the way of interconnectedness in nature.

What leads you to believe that this is true?
In case it does not answer. Assumptions based upon Past Experiences.
ThinkOfOne wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:31 pm I do think that there may be some underlying consciousness, or divinity, underlying all nature but rather than it being simply transcendent as 'supernature', see it as being imminent in nature itself.

What leads you to believe that this is true?
In case it does not answer. Assumptions based upon Past Experiences.
ThinkOfOne wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:31 pm On a different tack, considering what you've been writing thus far as a whole, I've been trying to figure out whether or not the distinctions you make are based on reason. Based on your responses thus far, this does not seem to be the case. Have you considered taking a step back seeing if you can synthesize your thoughts into a coherent whole?
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attofishpi wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:44 pm
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pmI am all in favour of cumulative evidence but it is not easy to demonstrate always. A lot of my own thinking is based on life experience, which is often dismissed within philosophy as lacking objectivity. I do often wonder about giving up on philosophy writing and writing fiction because it has more creative freedom. Philosophy is becoming almost an appendix to science.
Sounds like a good idea re writing fiction rather than philosophy unless you have something original to offer re love of wisdom.

My little foray was with a cyberpunk book - Alpha Two which you can check out here: https://www.androcies.com/alphatwo.php

What genre of fiction would you be interested in writing? You could make something out of the synchronicities you account for below re school and universe_city.

(I am currently recoding the website, in between other tasks such as painting).

Jack Daydream wrote:I am sorry that you got labelled by a professional as 'delusional'.
Nothing to be sorry about Jack, I am in no way delusional. The truth of the matter is that I diagnosed myself for the psychiatrist. I finished up working for NEC in 2017 when I was forced out of work in the office - letters on my screen started scrambling and 'people' calling out "do art". So I quit. I needed to get the govnt off of my back to find another job so I decided to see a shrink. I told him my story that started in 1997 and that I need a medical certificate to get the govt to give me money so I could work for Jesus 8) ! I said to him do I need to see you and not just a psychologist, thus I am required to take pills to get a certificate. He said yes, govt requirement. He said so you don't think there is anything mentally wrong with you, I said I know there is nothing wrong with my Brian Brain but then define schizophrenia, maybe it's God screwing with people? He said so I have to put something on the certificate, shall I put schizophrenia - I said sure. As I said I made a shed load of money out of it, I didn't real eyes I had two insurances with my two super funds! (I didn't take the pills, although maybe there was a red one somewhere..)

Prior to the "diagnosis" I had been redrawing on my mortgage for living expenses. I said to God\sage I need money if you want me to do this art thang. A couple of days later there was a deposit of $4500 in my account with the transaction title BT Portfolio (BT is my true initials DO_U_BT?)..of course I didn't find the time to follow this up with the bank :wink:

Jack Daydream wrote:I think that I became close to delusional while I was at school and at university. That is because I was struggling to come to terms with horrible premonitions and synchronicities. I had a number of premonitions of people's deaths a short while before they died, including my headmaster. As so many were in a short period of time and I could not explain them I worried briefly that it was me causing the deaths. However, I was able to reason that was unlikely.
Totally agree that would be unlikely, but perhaps GOD was attempting to wise U up about something, death isn't so terrible and there may have been a positive reason for these synchronicities.

Reality is a convoluted apparition of the Truth.

Jack Daydream wrote:It was my experience of premonitions and synchronicities which stopped me going down the path of atheistic materialism. For a long while, I held onto conventional Christian beliefs but it then became apparent that many mainstream Christian beliefs were too literalistic.
Absolutely. The important thing about being a Christian is doing it your way. Forget all the bigotry and crap that all the versions of the 'church' come in. The important thing is to believe in what Christ did to inspire faith and love, that was how important He sees these things.

I ate from the Tree of Life (agreeing to ABORT_ION) and often foolishly kept returning to the fruit of the Tree of Know_Ledge (for various reasons)

Tree of Knowledge
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Jack Daydream wrote:So, I have continued down the pathway to a search for truth incorporating various religious perspectives, science and all worldviews. I do agree that some philosophies, 'leaves you fathoming in the depths of a puddle'. I see a lot of mystery, even though many wish to see philosophy as solving the mysteries in a neat way.
Well, you appear to be on a good path then. When it comes to all world religions I believe that all have been influenced by the Divine in some way and have come to form these various religions within the cultures of the world, although I have my doubts about Islam.
WHY do you have your doubts about "islam" for, exactly?
attofishpi wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:44 pm The Truth remains, to know GOD is via Christ so I encourage U to see Him as your guiding light if ever you are TESTED as I have been.
What do you mean by 'via Christ', exactly?

Also, if you, still, cannot, yet, inform 'us' of who and what God is, exactly, then are you absolutely sure that to know God is via "christ" is, REALLY, the True, and Right, way?

If yes, then HOW and WHY, exactly?
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Jack Daydream wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:03 am
attofishpi wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:44 pm
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pmI am all in favour of cumulative evidence but it is not easy to demonstrate always. A lot of my own thinking is based on life experience, which is often dismissed within philosophy as lacking objectivity. I do often wonder about giving up on philosophy writing and writing fiction because it has more creative freedom. Philosophy is becoming almost an appendix to science.
Sounds like a good idea re writing fiction rather than philosophy unless you have something original to offer re love of wisdom.

My little foray was with a cyberpunk book - Alpha Two which you can check out here: https://www.androcies.com/alphatwo.php

What genre of fiction would you be interested in writing? You could make something out of the synchronicities you account for below re school and universe_city.

(I am currently recoding the website, in between other tasks such as painting).

Jack Daydream wrote:I am sorry that you got labelled by a professional as 'delusional'.
Nothing to be sorry about Jack, I am in no way delusional. The truth of the matter is that I diagnosed myself for the psychiatrist. I finished up working for NEC in 2017 when I was forced out of work in the office - letters on my screen started scrambling and 'people' calling out "do art". So I quit. I needed to get the govnt off of my back to find another job so I decided to see a shrink. I told him my story that started in 1997 and that I need a medical certificate to get the govt to give me money so I could work for Jesus 8) ! I said to him do I need to see you and not just a psychologist, thus I am required to take pills to get a certificate. He said yes, govt requirement. He said so you don't think there is anything mentally wrong with you, I said I know there is nothing wrong with my Brian Brain but then define schizophrenia, maybe it's God screwing with people? He said so I have to put something on the certificate, shall I put schizophrenia - I said sure. As I said I made a shed load of money out of it, I didn't real eyes I had two insurances with my two super funds! (I didn't take the pills, although maybe there was a red one somewhere..)

Prior to the "diagnosis" I had been redrawing on my mortgage for living expenses. I said to God\sage I need money if you want me to do this art thang. A couple of days later there was a deposit of $4500 in my account with the transaction title BT Portfolio (BT is my true initials DO_U_BT?)..of course I didn't find the time to follow this up with the bank :wink:

Jack Daydream wrote:I think that I became close to delusional while I was at school and at university. That is because I was struggling to come to terms with horrible premonitions and synchronicities. I had a number of premonitions of people's deaths a short while before they died, including my headmaster. As so many were in a short period of time and I could not explain them I worried briefly that it was me causing the deaths. However, I was able to reason that was unlikely.
Totally agree that would be unlikely, but perhaps GOD was attempting to wise U up about something, death isn't so terrible and there may have been a positive reason for these synchronicities.

Reality is a convoluted apparition of the Truth.

Jack Daydream wrote:It was my experience of premonitions and synchronicities which stopped me going down the path of atheistic materialism. For a long while, I held onto conventional Christian beliefs but it then became apparent that many mainstream Christian beliefs were too literalistic.
Absolutely. The important thing about being a Christian is doing it your way. Forget all the bigotry and crap that all the versions of the 'church' come in. The important thing is to believe in what Christ did to inspire faith and love, that was how important He sees these things.

I ate from the Tree of Life (agreeing to ABORT_ION) and often foolishly kept returning to the fruit of the Tree of Know_Ledge (for various reasons)

Tree of Knowledge
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Jack Daydream wrote:So, I have continued down the pathway to a search for truth incorporating various religious perspectives, science and all worldviews. I do agree that some philosophies, 'leaves you fathoming in the depths of a puddle'. I see a lot of mystery, even though many wish to see philosophy as solving the mysteries in a neat way.
Well, you appear to be on a good path then. When it comes to all world religions I believe that all have been influenced by the Divine in some way and have come to form these various religions within the cultures of the world, although I have my doubts about Islam.

The Truth remains, to know GOD is via Christ so I encourage U to see Him as your guiding light if ever you are TESTED as I have been.
I find a lot of tension between the pull towards fiction and philosophy, or non-fiction. Prior to lockdown, I used to read a lot of philosophy alone but write short fiction in creative writing groups. At the present time, I go to creative writing groups again but find I end up writing philosophy mostly.

I was impressed by your link to fiction you created. As for what genre I would like to write, I think fantasy or steampunk. However, I would like to write philosophical fiction. I have gone round and round in circles at times on philosophy forums, and some of the discussion seems to be going at small tangents over and over again. To some extent, it seems to be people trying to win arguments but some of the knots and tangents matter in deeper understanding. In the last few weeks, I have stopped writing on philosophy sites, but, then, created this thread on a site I hadn't written on as an experiment.

Generally, the tension between fiction and philosophy is complex because life is immersed in stories. So, all philosophy is constructed in a background of narratives. Also, there is the tension between reflecting, writing and dealing with life and its dramas. I love writing but am not free to do this full-time as I need to find work. However, I have not managed to find work despite trying, so I keep coming back to writing.
Or, you could just do what "attofishpi" supposedly and allegedly did. That is; go to doctors, tell them that you do not want to work any more, that you want the government to just give you money and get 'off your back', as "attofishpi" calls it. Then just tell the doctors that you want them to write that you are a 'schizophrenic', although they write down 'you are delusional', instead. And, then when you get what is called a 'shed load of money', or $4,500 australian dollars, then you are 'all set to go', as some would say.
Jack Daydream wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:03 am The relationship between religion and philosophy is complicated. When I was a student I used to attend Christian Union. It was at this stage that I began questioning, especially as I knew a lot of people with religious psychoses. I also went onto train in mental health nursing. There are such different approaches to religion amongst mental health professionals as amongst people generally in the pluralism of the twentieth first century.

Christianity is my starting point but I do look to comparative religion, especially as so much of philosophy searching starts with one's cultural roots. What I do find important in the Judaeo-Christian perspective is the idea of God's interaction with humanity. This allows for synchronicities and God having an interactive relationship with human beings.

Currently, my own encounters have led me into knowing members of the Jewish community. It has made me aware of my lack of knowledge of the OT in its historical and geographical context. The history of religion is important and I am also interested in the tension between mainstream and esoteric religion, including esoteric Christianity.
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Fairy wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 1:24 pm
Age wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:48 pm
What does the 'quest' word have to do with the 'ion' word, exactly?
It has to do with the idea there is an (i) that can question it's own reality. It's supposed to mean the ( quest i am on ) ( the quest-i-on)
Well this makes a lot more sense than 'quest-ion', well to me anyway. So, thank you so much for clarifying for me here "fairy".
Fairy wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 1:24 pm It's simply an imagined i that thinks it is real, and that it is on a quest to know itself. In truth, there is no such i except as a storybook fictional character within the artificial dream of separation. The dream of i.


It's just what's happening, but to no i or I .. as there is no knowledge of a dreamer without there being a dream, and nothing ever happened in a dream..
For even the dreamt character ( i ) is the Unknown.

Fish pi is just no one being clever with words, that are completely empty to the core, and yet are believed to be real, such is the artificial power of illusions, or more aptly known as, the powerless power of delusions.
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Jack Daydream wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:12 am
Impenitent wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:56 pm "No victor believes in chance" - Nietzsche

-Imp
I'm glad Nietzsche gets included, as a poetic and romantic poet. Dare I say it, if he wrote on a philosophy forum he would probably be ridiculed.
his sister and everyone else who misinterpreted him might get ridiculed...

his poetry might sound better in German

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Jack Daydream wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:03 amI find a lot of tension between the pull towards fiction and philosophy, or non-fiction. Prior to lockdown, I used to read a lot of philosophy alone but write short fiction in creative writing groups. At the present time, I go to creative writing groups again but find I end up writing philosophy mostly.

I was impressed by your link to fiction you created. As for what genre I would like to write, I think fantasy or steampunk. However, I would like to write philosophical fiction. I have gone round and round in circles at times on philosophy forums, and some of the discussion seems to be going at small tangents over and over again. To some extent, it seems to be people trying to win arguments but some of the knots and tangents matter in deeper understanding. In the last few weeks, I have stopped writing on philosophy sites, but, then, created this thread on a site I hadn't written on as an experiment.

Generally, the tension between fiction and philosophy is complex because life is immersed in stories. So, all philosophy is constructed in a background of narratives. Also, there is the tension between reflecting, writing and dealing with life and its dramas. I love writing but am not free to do this full-time as I need to find work. However, I have not managed to find work despite trying, so I keep coming back to writing.
Or, you could just do what "attofishpi" supposedly and allegedly did. That is; go to doctors, tell them that you do not want to work any more, that you want the government to just give you money and get 'off your back', as "attofishpi" calls it. Then just tell the doctors that you want them to write that you are a 'schizophrenic', although they write down 'you are delusional', instead. And, then when you get what is called a 'shed load of money', or $4,500 australian dollars, then you are 'all set to go', as some would say.

That's hilarious because I was going to suggest a similar thing, but just worded more intelligently to achieve the outcome.

Sorry Jack, am really busy atm.

But sure, Y not. Get an atto "art grant", go see a shrink (preferably provided for free by the govt) and tell him God keeps fucking with your REAL_IT_Y and you can no longer hold down a job. (*of course make sure you have disability insurance for the win, maybe get a few :lol: ).

If you feel in some way unethical about the procedure being a lie, you could always ask God to put you through what "HE" put me through via a little prayer - but I wouldn't recommend it. :twisted:

Do it Jack, do the fake delusion for the art grant win and live free to write to your he_arts content. :D

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Fairy wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 1:24 pm
Age wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:48 pm
What does the 'quest' word have to do with the 'ion' word, exactly?
It has to do with the idea there is an (i) that can question it's own reality. It's supposed to mean the ( quest i am on ) ( the quest-i-on)
Not quite. ION is your SOUL.

Thus:

QUEST_ION -- in each incarnation.
Don't ABORT_ION (well, I'd not recommend it)
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Age wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:28 pm
LuckyR wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:18 pm The concept of coincidence is a psychological misunderstanding of statistics. That is, it functions to provide an "explanation" of something that doesn't require an "explanation". Namely that statistically unlikely events occur routinely (at their statistically low rates).
But, obviously, there is absolutely no thing that 'requires' an 'explanation'.

you human beings, however, are a species, and the only known one to you, that within there is, or was, an unquenchable thirst for knowing, knowledge and understanding.

Thus, you human beings are the only ones who have an apparent 'requirement' for 'explanations'. As just watching any younger child, fully, properly, Correctly, or OPENLY, will lay absolute testament to.
Yes, obviously. That's what I meant by "doesn't require an explanation". Though many if not most personalities find psychological comfort in them.
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Age wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:17 pm
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:05 pm

No what I am pointing out is cumulative evidence, do you need more?




Faithless "philosophy" leaves you fathoming in the depths of a puddle.




Well being labelled 'delusional' by a professional made me a shed load of money. :shock:

God works in mysterious ways.
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm Wise PUPILS of the light ---->COINCIDENCE :?:
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I am all in favour of cumulative evidence but it is not easy to demonstrate always. A lot of my own thinking is based on life experience,
Could you provide just one example of your own thinking that is NOT based on 'life experience'?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm which is often dismissed within philosophy as lacking objectivity
So, why then express them, within so-called 'philosophy'?

Why not just express only 'that', which could not be refuted, ONLY?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm I do often wonder about giving up on philosophy writing and writing fiction because it has more creative freedom. Philosophy is becoming almost an appendix to science.
Will you provide any of your 'philosophy writing' here?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm I am sorry that you got labelled by a professional as 'delusional'.
But, did you not see that "attofishpi" LOVES that it got called 'delusional' because it, supposedly and allegedly, received a so-called "shed load of money' for that.

Also, if someone got labeled 'delusional', by a "professional", because they are/were 'delusional', then why are you 'sorry' for this?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm I think that I became close to delusional while I was at school and at university. That is because I was struggling to come to terms with horrible premonitions and synchronicities. I had a number of premonitions of people's deaths a short while before they died, including my headmaster. As so many were in a short period of time and I could not explain them I worried briefly that it was me causing the deaths. However, I was able to reason that was unlikely.
So, you NEVER were actually ABLE TO REASON that it was NOT 'you', and only that it was 'unlikely', you, correct?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm It was my experience of premonitions and synchronicities which stopped me going down the path of atheistic materialism. For a long while, I held onto conventional Christian beliefs but it then became apparent that many mainstream Christian beliefs were too literalistic.
How is some thing so-called 'too literalistic', exactly?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm So, I have continued down the pathway to a search for truth incorporating various religious perspectives, science and all worldviews.
How does 'one' FIND ALL worldviews, exactly, considering the fact that there are about eight billion worldviews, at the very time of this writing?
Jack Daydream wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm I do agree that some philosophies, 'leaves you fathoming in the depths of a puddle'. I see a lot of mystery, even though many wish to see philosophy as solving the mysteries in a neat way.
I wonder if these people have YET realized in how many DIFFERENT WAYS they use the 'philosophy' word, exactly?
I don't know what to make of your many posts on the thread. It seems that you are critical of my whole way of thinking and it probably does come down to the way I see philosophy as being different from you. I see it as the ongoing search for wisdom and understanding based on thinkers from the past and present. I don't see it as being simply about taking words as a point of attacking another.

Of course, attention to words is important but if taken to the extreme it becomes mere rhetoric, of which Plato accused the Sophists. As you have bombarded the thread with so many posts of chopped up quotes of mine, I haven't answered them individually at presen because it would seem tedious, especially as I am unsure of your genuineness in thinking. So, at this stage, I would simply ask you how do you see the idea of 'philosophy' and what is your own angle and interest in it?
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attofishpi wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:30 pm
Age wrote:
Jack Daydream wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:03 amI find a lot of tension between the pull towards fiction and philosophy, or non-fiction. Prior to lockdown, I used to read a lot of philosophy alone but write short fiction in creative writing groups. At the present time, I go to creative writing groups again but find I end up writing philosophy mostly.

I was impressed by your link to fiction you created. As for what genre I would like to write, I think fantasy or steampunk. However, I would like to write philosophical fiction. I have gone round and round in circles at times on philosophy forums, and some of the discussion seems to be going at small tangents over and over again. To some extent, it seems to be people trying to win arguments but some of the knots and tangents matter in deeper understanding. In the last few weeks, I have stopped writing on philosophy sites, but, then, created this thread on a site I hadn't written on as an experiment.

Generally, the tension between fiction and philosophy is complex because life is immersed in stories. So, all philosophy is constructed in a background of narratives. Also, there is the tension between reflecting, writing and dealing with life and its dramas. I love writing but am not free to do this full-time as I need to find work. However, I have not managed to find work despite trying, so I keep coming back to writing.
Or, you could just do what "attofishpi" supposedly and allegedly did. That is; go to doctors, tell them that you do not want to work any more, that you want the government to just give you money and get 'off your back', as "attofishpi" calls it. Then just tell the doctors that you want them to write that you are a 'schizophrenic', although they write down 'you are delusional', instead. And, then when you get what is called a 'shed load of money', or $4,500 australian dollars, then you are 'all set to go', as some would say.

That's hilarious because I was going to suggest a similar thing, but just worded more intelligently to achieve the outcome.
LOL AGAIN, 'we' can CLEARLY SEE 'another one' CLAIM that it 'did something', but WITHOUT EVERY DISCLOSING what 'it' was/is, exactly.

These posters here would just, continually, ALLUDE TO 'things', instead of just SAYING nor WRITING what 'they' were/are DIRECTLY.

And, AGAIN, they only ALLUDED TO 'things' because they were NOT YET able to BACK UP and SUPPORT 'their claims' ABSOLUTELY nor IRREFUTABLY.
attofishpi wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:30 pm Sorry Jack, am really busy atm.

But sure, Y not. Get an atto "art grant", go see a shrink (preferably provided for free by the govt) and tell him God keeps fucking with your REAL_IT_Y and you can no longer hold down a job. (*of course make sure you have disability insurance for the win, maybe get a few :lol: ).

If you feel in some way unethical about the procedure being a lie, you could always ask God to put you through what "HE" put me through via a little prayer - but I wouldn't recommend it. :twisted:

Do it Jack, do the fake delusion for the art grant win and live free to write to your he_arts content. :D

OUR FATHER, WHO ARTS IN HEAVEN <--- that's where atto is.
So, 'I' just asked this human being WHY God would give 'it' money, which could have been used to keep STARVING CHILDREN alive, and, AGAIN, what 'we' have is another adult human being COMPLETELY and UTTERLY INCAPABLE of JUST CLARIFYING.

And, AGAIN, they CANNOT because they do NOT YET KNOW what the ACTUAL Truth IS, exactly.
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attofishpi wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:32 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 1:24 pm
Age wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:48 pm
What does the 'quest' word have to do with the 'ion' word, exactly?
It has to do with the idea there is an (i) that can question it's own reality. It's supposed to mean the ( quest i am on ) ( the quest-i-on)
Not quite. ION is your SOUL.
WHY did you NOT CLARIFY 'this' BEFORE?

WHY WAIT till someone else SAYS some thing, and THEN REPLY, and CLARIFY?
attofishpi wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:32 pm Thus:

QUEST_ION -- in each incarnation.
Don't ABORT_ION (well, I'd not recommend it)
Now, WHY are 'you' SEEING, and SAYING, 'one thing', while "fairy" is SEEING, and SAYING, something else, entirely, here?
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Age wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:30 am So, 'I' just asked this human being WHY God would give 'it' money.
Oi

If U R not a human being then get the fuck off this forum, this forum is only for HUMANS BEING HUMAN. :twisted:
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LuckyR wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:26 pm
Age wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:28 pm
LuckyR wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:18 pm The concept of coincidence is a psychological misunderstanding of statistics. That is, it functions to provide an "explanation" of something that doesn't require an "explanation". Namely that statistically unlikely events occur routinely (at their statistically low rates).
But, obviously, there is absolutely no thing that 'requires' an 'explanation'.

you human beings, however, are a species, and the only known one to you, that within there is, or was, an unquenchable thirst for knowing, knowledge and understanding.

Thus, you human beings are the only ones who have an apparent 'requirement' for 'explanations'. As just watching any younger child, fully, properly, Correctly, or OPENLY, will lay absolute testament to.
Yes, obviously. That's what I meant by "doesn't require an explanation". Though many if not most personalities find psychological comfort in them.
But, ALL of you, 'personalities', FOUND so-called 'psychological comfort' in 'explanations' BECAUSE the very NATURE of BEING a 'human being' IS: Being CURIOUS, and thus WANTING TO LEARN, UNDERSTAND, and REASON.

That is, and was, anyway, UNTIL 'that DESIRE' was DRIVEN OUT of ALL of you, through and by A Wrong, and Incorrect, 'education system'.
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