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Christian Ethics: An Ambiguous Legacy
Terri Murray tells the story of how St. Paul hijacked a religion.
Islam and fundamentalist Christianity still operate under this pre-Cartesian anthropology, when, for example, they begin from a conventional definition of ‘womanhood’ and then impose this definition on individual women, who are coerced to imitate or participate in this idealised description of their essential nature. Individual women are respected (and safe) only to the degree that they participate in this abstract definition of their nature. A special social status is given to individual women who conform to the definition. Punitive measures are in place for those who do not. Ironically, these socially erected incentives and deterrents actually create the ‘value’ of the definition – a value which its proponents claim exists independently.
Definitions.

Over and again, the above is likely to happen among the moral objectives here who are also intent only on exploring human morality up in the philosophical clouds. You define womanhood and then set about fitting actual complex individuals who happen to be female into the definition. Or into the deductions derived from this and other carefully defined words.

Or, as with Christians themselves, they create a definition based on their own understanding of the Bible.

Here again, however, given all of the many different Christian denominations there are, even among Christians themselves there are going to be different assessments of the Bible.

As for Islam, is it even possible to be more [as some will argue] misogynist?
For Kant, moral truths do not negate the truths of the empirical realm, they simply operate independently of them.
Though not independent of God. Thus...
Kant gives the empiricists their due. Nevertheless, he differentiated between the moral world and the world governed by the causal laws of Newtonian mechanics. There is, he claimed, a separate ‘noumenal’ (spiritual) world – the realm of freedom and morality. Kant was a very religious thinker as opposed to Hume. In order to get a moral theory off the ground we are going to have to acknowledge that our nature makes it possible for metaphysical (i.e. non-material) realities to have a real claim on us.
All of this is merely something that he "thought up" philosophically. It was the reality he was able to fit together neatly "in his head".

Off the ground indeed.
Henceforth we are not going to judge our actions by their consequences, nor by the way they make us feel, but by the intention with which we perform them. This is clear in his famous statement: “It is impossible to conceive anything in the world, or even out of it, which can be taken as good without limitation, save only a good will.”
Again, one more rendition of how mere mortals connect the dots between "down here" and Judgment Day. As for "good will", let's bring that down to Earth.
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God to Florida: "It's nothing personal".
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With God's ostensible blessing >


With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens."
— Jeremiah 51:20-26

"And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt."
— Exodus 12:29-30

"Your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived."
— Hosea 9:11-16

"I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle."
— Leviticus 26:21-22


God to his beloved children: “It’s nothing personal”
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Fairy wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:29 am With God's ostensible blessing >


With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens."
— Jeremiah 51:20-26

"And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt."
— Exodus 12:29-30

"Your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived."
— Hosea 9:11-16

"I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle."
— Leviticus 26:21-22


God to his beloved children: “It’s nothing personal”
You should set Scripture within History of God. Ideas of God evolve.
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Belinda wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:45 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:29 am With God's ostensible blessing >


With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens."
— Jeremiah 51:20-26

"And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt."
— Exodus 12:29-30

"Your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived."
— Hosea 9:11-16

"I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle."
— Leviticus 26:21-22


God to his beloved children: “It’s nothing personal”
You should set Scripture within History of God. Ideas of God evolve.
Not really, it's just more paint on the screen. Nothing is ultimately changing.
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iambiguous wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:59 am God to Florida: "It's nothing personal".
Or to North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia.
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Fairy wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:19 pm
Belinda wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:45 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:29 am With God's ostensible blessing >


With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens."
— Jeremiah 51:20-26

"And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt."
— Exodus 12:29-30

"Your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived."
— Hosea 9:11-16

"I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle."
— Leviticus 26:21-22


God to his beloved children: “It’s nothing personal”
You should set Scripture within History of God. Ideas of God evolve.
Not really, it's just more paint on the screen. Nothing is ultimately changing.
You say so ,yet you experience your life as sleeping or not sleeping, hungry or satisfied, in Florida or in Oregon, as a three year old or as a seventy year old, and so forth.
If your ideas don't change then you are deficient at learning.You would never have learned to be potty trained.
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Belinda wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:48 am
Fairy wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:19 pm
Belinda wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:45 pm
You should set Scripture within History of God. Ideas of God evolve.
Not really, it's just more paint on the screen. Nothing is ultimately changing.
You say so ,yet you experience your life as sleeping or not sleeping, hungry or satisfied, in Florida or in Oregon, as a three year old or as a seventy year old, and so forth.
If your ideas don't change then you are deficient at learning.You would never have learned to be potty trained.
Oh yes of course learning is about change, and how could change possibly be excluded from everything happening all at once one without a second.

Learning for the sake of nothing, as ultimately nothing dies, as nothing lives. And let’s never forget that nothing is changing.

Space is weightless changeless unmoving stillness - change and movement is an appearance upon its complimentary identical opposite, space itself, the very substance matter is made of.

In essence, nothing is changing nothing is happening.
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Fairy wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:08 pm
Belinda wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:48 am
Fairy wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:19 pm

Not really, it's just more paint on the screen. Nothing is ultimately changing.
You say so ,yet you experience your life as sleeping or not sleeping, hungry or satisfied, in Florida or in Oregon, as a three year old or as a seventy year old, and so forth.
If your ideas don't change then you are deficient at learning.You would never have learned to be potty trained.
Oh yes of course learning is about change, and how could change possibly be excluded from everything happening all at once one without a second.

Learning for the sake of nothing, as ultimately nothing dies, as nothing lives. And let’s never forget that nothing is changing.

Space is weightless changeless unmoving stillness - change and movement is an appearance upon its complimentary identical opposite, space itself, the very substance matter is made of.

In essence, nothing is changing nothing is happening.
We can use reason ,but not evidence , to imagine a state of being 'where' there is no change over time, over space, or over force of circumstances.
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Belinda wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:11 pm
Fairy wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:08 pm
Belinda wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:48 am

You say so ,yet you experience your life as sleeping or not sleeping, hungry or satisfied, in Florida or in Oregon, as a three year old or as a seventy year old, and so forth.
If your ideas don't change then you are deficient at learning.You would never have learned to be potty trained.
Oh yes of course learning is about change, and how could change possibly be excluded from everything happening all at once one without a second.

Learning for the sake of nothing, as ultimately nothing dies, as nothing lives. And let’s never forget that nothing is changing.

Space is weightless changeless unmoving stillness - change and movement is an appearance upon its complimentary identical opposite, space itself, the very substance matter is made of.

In essence, nothing is changing nothing is happening.
We can use reason ,but not evidence , to imagine a state of being 'where' there is no change over time, over space, or over force of circumstances.
And that still would be no thing knowing that.
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Fairy wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 6:06 pm
Belinda wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:11 pm
Fairy wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:08 pm

Oh yes of course learning is about change, and how could change possibly be excluded from everything happening all at once one without a second.

Learning for the sake of nothing, as ultimately nothing dies, as nothing lives. And let’s never forget that nothing is changing.

Space is weightless changeless unmoving stillness - change and movement is an appearance upon its complimentary identical opposite, space itself, the very substance matter is made of.

In essence, nothing is changing nothing is happening.
We can use reason ,but not evidence , to imagine a state of being 'where' there is no change over time, over space, or over force of circumstances.
And that still would be no thing knowing that.
In the context of ontology what do you mean by "thing"? Is a mental event a thing?
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Belinda wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:08 pm
Fairy wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 6:06 pm
Belinda wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:11 pm

We can use reason ,but not evidence , to imagine a state of being 'where' there is no change over time, over space, or over force of circumstances.
And that still would be no thing knowing that.
In the context of ontology what do you mean by "thing"? Is a mental event a thing?
What is a mental event?
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Fairy wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:10 am
Belinda wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:08 pm
Fairy wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 6:06 pm

And that still would be no thing knowing that.
In the context of ontology what do you mean by "thing"? Is a mental event a thing?
What is a mental event?
Ideas and feelings are mental events. Not so sure about perceptions.
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Belinda wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:06 pm
Fairy wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:10 am
Belinda wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:08 pm
In the context of ontology what do you mean by "thing"? Is a mental event a thing?
What is a mental event?
Ideas and feelings are mental events. Not so sure about perceptions.
Yes, I agree, ideas are mental events, and they are not things.

But what are ideas, I've no idea, because I am the idea. Nothing, no thing, not a thing, ultimately knows itself.
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