Questions to Christians

[Walker]

It is not 'your' true self, as this is an oxymoron and contradiction of terms.

Attachment to delusions obscures the true self.

"He (Sri Ramana Maharshi) defined it (The Self) by saying that the real Self or real 'I' is, contrary to perceptible experience, not an experience of individuality but a non-personal, all-inclusive awareness. It is not to be confused with the individual self which he said was essentially non-existent, being a fabrication of the mind which obscures the true experience of the real Self. He maintained that the real Self is always present and always experienced but he emphasized that one is only consciously aware of it as it really is when the self-limiting tendencies of the mind have ceased. Permanent and continuous Self-awareness is known as Self-realization." - David Godman

[Age]

To be born again is to leave behind the known.

No,

But, it could be said to leave behind what was Falsely or Wrongly assumed or believed to be known.

Leaving behind does not mean disregarding, or exclusion. One still chops wood and hauls water.

In order to know what was falsely or wrongly assumed, one would need to be attached to a new FSK, or discover new evidence that negates the assumptions of the old FSK.

For example: remember when you were in high school and had a crush on a girl, Age? The feelings of your crush were real then and now are memories of what was real, but now that girl has been left behind in the sense that you are no longer attached to her via the crush, but she still exists and need not be excluded or disregarded, and the feelings were not wrong or false. You were just attached by crush.

To say and know EXACTLY how it is, does not automatically confer a need to change EXACTLY how it is. The need to change the known could likely be in the DNA and the cause of perpetual feelings of discontent which vary in intensity and result in progress. This supported by evidence that reveals:

Rich or poor, if folks don’t have any problems, they’re going to find some, maybe even cause some, and that is the known way of human progress towards peace, which sounds rather irrational.

If you were trying to some sort of message across here, I am not sure what it was.

[Age]

It is not 'your' true self, as this is an oxymoron and contradiction of terms.

Attachment to delusions obscures the true self.

I know, and that is why I just pointed out for you that the words 'your true self' is a/nother delusion, which you human beings appear very, very attached to.

See, if and when you human beings, also, learn and understand how the words 'your true self' or even just 'your self' are just more delusions, then you will be closer to stop obscuring all of 'your' delusions.

"He (Sri Ramana Maharshi) defined it (The Self) by saying that the real Self or real 'I' is, contrary to perceptible experience, not an experience of individuality but a non-personal, all-inclusive awareness.[/quote]

Which is more or less EXACTLY what, (the) 'I' has/have been saying and pointing out throughout this forum.

It is not to be confused with the individual self which he said was essentially non-existent, being a fabrication of the mind which obscures the true experience of the real Self.

Again, this is why 'I', and the one here, 'now', known as "fairy', have also been pointing out and saying, except 'I' have been making clear what the 'Mind' is, exactly.

He maintained that the real Self is always present and always experienced but he emphasized that one is only consciously aware of it as it really is when the self-limiting tendencies of the mind have ceased.

When the 'mind' here is exchanged for and with the 'thought' word, then again a delusion, and an attachment to a delusion, can be removed, which was what was, actually, obscuring the actual Truth, and the actual Real and True Self', as well.

Permanent and continuous Self-awareness is known as Self-realization." - David Godman

And, the fact that you human beings, in the days when this was being written, still could not yet just answer the question, 'Who am 'I'?' properly and Correctly laid testament that 'you' human beings had not yet reached and obtained True Self-Realization, True Self-Awareness, nor True, literal, Self-Actualization

[accelafine]

Thats' better folk's'

[Walker]

You have some affinity with the words of bhagavan.

"The Self is known to everyone, but not clearly. You always exist. The be-ing is the Self. ‘I am’ is the name of God. Of all the definitions of God, none is indeed so well put as the Biblical statement, I am that I am’ in Exodus 3. There are other statements, such as Brahmaivaham [Brahman am I], aham Brahmasmi [I am Brahman] and soham*. But none is so direct as the name Jehovah which means ‘I am’. The absolute being is what is. It is the Self. It is God. Knowing the Self, God is known. In fact God is none other than the Self."
– Sri Ramana Maharshi.

* soham (I am he)

[Age]

You have some affinity with the words of bhagavan.

Whoever or whatever 'that' is, exactly.

"The Self is known to everyone, but not clearly. You always exist.

The word 'you', literally, refers to 'an/other', correct?

If yes, then 'you', a person, a human being, an 'i', or 'a self' in relation to individual human beings, came-to-exist, existed, and in one way exists. There are many of 'you', 'i's', of which absolutely none 'always exist'. However, and whereas, there is only One 'I', which does 'always exist'.

This 'Self', which is also known as, Spirit, Allah, God, Enlightenment, or as some say Sage, is the one and only One that 'always exists'.

The be-ing is the Self.

'you' are close, but just so that there is absolutely NO miscommunication, misinterpretation, misunderstanding, or things being missed here the words;

'being': refers to the 'selves', the 'i's' or the individual 'self's', or the 'people', in relation to you 'human beings', of which there are many.

'Being': refers to the 'Self', of which there is only One.

'human being': refers to the 'human body' part, and the 'being', the individual person within an individual 'human body'.

The word 'be-ing', refers to 'you', personal, human, beings, being with-in a process of evolving into 'be-coming' who and what 'I', REALLY, am, and THEN living in 'the way', that the 'I' Truly WANTS and DESIRES.

The word 'Being', (capital 'B'), refers to the One, (Real and True), Self', which exists, always. Whereas, the word 'being', (small 'b'), just refers to you human beings, and more specifically to just the invisible part of you human beings, or more commonly known as the 'thinking' and/or 'emotional' part, with-in human bodies.

‘I am’ is the name of God.

And, as 'I' have also been explaining, to 'you' human beings, throughout this forum,

God, in the invisible sense, is the one and Only Mind, Itself - that is; the 'Being'. And,
God, in the visible sense, is just the visibly seen physical Universe, Itself, - that is; the 'Body', (or just 'matter', itself).

Of all the definitions of God, none is indeed so well put as the Biblical statement, I am that I am’ in Exodus 3.

And, this is because when 'you', a human being, works out, 'Who 'I' am', exactly, and understands how to 'read', between-the-lines', 'look at', 'see', and 'recognize', 'the puzzles' with-in all theologies, and 'know' how to answer, and 're-solve', all of them, then just 'knowing' that 'I am that I am', and always have been, ALL makes PERFECT SENSE.

And, which can, and is, proved and verified through and by 'logical reasoning' and 'empirically, scientifically'.

'I' am (literally 'just) 'that' - the, visible, Universe, AND, the, invisible, Mind, always co-exited together, HERE-NOW, as One, unified One.

There are other statements, such as Brahmaivaham [Brahman am I], aham Brahmasmi [I am Brahman] and soham*. But none is so direct as the name Jehovah which means ‘I am’. The absolute being is what is. It is the Self. It is God. Knowing the Self, God is known. In fact God is none other than the Self."
– Sri Ramana Maharshi.

* soham (I am he)

The 'being' is just 'you', the 'self', with-in the human body.

The 'Being', however, is just 'I', the 'Self', with-in the Universe/al Body.

When one 'looks at' and 'sees' the word 'human being' as the visible 'human body', and the invisible 'self', or 'person', the, invisible, thoughts and emotions within, then 'looking at' and 'seeing' (understanding), how the word 'Being' then relates to the invisible Mind, with-and-in the visible Universe, Itself, and is 'I', God, which is said 'to be' with-in ALL things and 'to be' the Creator of ALL things.

In fact the 'Being' is just what ALL of you 'human beings', actually, started out WANTING, and DESIRING, 'to be', and to 'be-come' - that is; One who was and is recognized, and accepted, for who and what 'I am', and One who is always, absolutely, 'Be-ing' Truly loving and caring, for 'others', namely; all of you human beings, and all other living creatures.

[Fairy]

It is not 'your' true self, as this is an oxymoron and contradiction of terms.

Attachment to delusions obscures the true self.

"He (Sri Ramana Maharshi) defined it (The Self) by saying that the real Self or real 'I' is, contrary to perceptible experience, not an experience of individuality but a non-personal, all-inclusive awareness. It is not to be confused with the individual self which he said was essentially non-existent, being a fabrication of the mind which obscures the true experience of the real Self. He maintained that the real Self is always present and always experienced but he emphasized that one is only consciously aware of it as it really is when the self-limiting tendencies of the mind have ceased. Permanent and continuous Self-awareness is known as Self-realization." - David Godman

There’s nothing obscuring the true self, because there is no true self to obscure.
Even the non-personal, all inclusive awareness is wrong. Even the idea there is an all inclusive awareness that is claimed to be the real self is still pointing to a foundational sense of “me” or an “I am-ness” that knows itself. When there is nothing here at all that can know itself, except as an illusionary belief.
Why, because it takes an I to negate an I ..but reality cannot experience its own absence, its totally unknown. So all that’s apparently being shown here ..is nothing, no self, no anything at all, whatsoever, except simply storytelling told by no one, heard by no one, seen by no one, and written by no one, including this…ultimately, nothing is happening, in the same context nothing ever happens in a dream.

It seems like something is happening, but it’s not happening to a “someone”, or any thing…in fact nothing is making anything happen, happening is totally free of autonomy or intention.
Even autonomy or intention is “nothing” being autonomous or intending.

[Fairy]

You have some affinity with the words of bhagavan.

"The Self is known to everyone, but not clearly. You always exist. The be-ing is the Self. ‘I am’ is the name of God. Of all the definitions of God, none is indeed so well put as the Biblical statement, I am that I am’ in Exodus 3. There are other statements, such as Brahmaivaham [Brahman am I], aham Brahmasmi [I am Brahman] and soham*. But none is so direct as the name Jehovah which means ‘I am’. The absolute being is what is. It is the Self. It is God. Knowing the Self, God is known. In fact God is none other than the Self."
– Sri Ramana Maharshi.

* soham (I am he)

I used to recite all this crap myself once, until I realised its real actual use was simply human useful uselessness. It’s all just made up fictional stuff believed to be real by no one.
Try telling all that recited bs to a dog and watch it bow to you with greetings of Namaste!

Human story telling is likened to parroting …. They’re just repeating what’s already been said billions of times over in as many different ways.

All BS all of it…including this.

[Fairy]

In the words of Jesus in The Holy Bible:

John 3:3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

What is the kingdom of God? The unknown. What does it mean to be born again? To be born again is to leave behind the known.

What can leave behind what never existed?

More Walker nonsense to follow.

[Walker]

In the words of Jesus in The Holy Bible:

John 3:3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

What is the kingdom of God? The unknown. What does it mean to be born again? To be born again is to leave behind the known.

What can leave behind what never existed?

More Walker nonsense to follow.

I daresay you display no qualifications as nonsense arbiter.

[Fairy]

In the words of Jesus in The Holy Bible:

John 3:3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

What is the kingdom of God? The unknown. What does it mean to be born again? To be born again is to leave behind the known.

What can leave behind what never existed?

More Walker nonsense to follow.

I daresay you display no qualifications as nonsense arbiter.

No one does.

Not even spiritual authorities such as Ramana Maharishi knows anything.

No one knows anything - although positions of spiritual authorities are claimed, albeit falsely, nothing can be known about anything, everything claimed to be known is unknown.

There’s simply no one around to know anything. For even every story is the unknown. Life is simply a dream dreamt by no one.

[Walker]

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[Walker]

No one does.

Not even spiritual authorities such as Ramana Maharishi knows anything.

No one knows anything - although positions of spiritual authorities are claimed, albeit falsely, nothing can be known about anything, everything claimed to be known is unknown.

There’s simply no one around to know anything. For even every story is the unknown. Life is simply a dream dreamt by no one.

"No one knows anything?"



Not even elevator and escalator inspectors?

I guess it's no coincidence that I most always take the stairs, although I wasn't fully enlightened to that until you hipped me to that, dude.

Or, is the proper pronoun, dudette?

[Fairy]

No one does.

Not even spiritual authorities such as Ramana Maharishi knows anything.

No one knows anything - although positions of spiritual authorities are claimed, albeit falsely, nothing can be known about anything, everything claimed to be known is unknown.

There’s simply no one around to know anything. For even every story is the unknown. Life is simply a dream dreamt by no one.

"No one knows anything?"



Not even elevator and escalator inspectors?

I guess it's no coincidence that I most always take the stairs, although I wasn't fully enlightened to that until you hipped me to that, dude.

Or, is the proper pronoun, dudette?

No one is living life. It’s just happening all by itself one without a second.

No one knows this.

If you say you know…you don’t.

For even your stories are unknown.

[accelafine]

No one does.

Not even spiritual authorities such as Ramana Maharishi knows anything.

No one knows anything - although positions of spiritual authorities are claimed, albeit falsely, nothing can be known about anything, everything claimed to be known is unknown.

There’s simply no one around to know anything. For even every story is the unknown. Life is simply a dream dreamt by no one.

"No one knows anything?"



Not even elevator and escalator inspectors?

I guess it's no coincidence that I most always take the stairs, although I wasn't fully enlightened to that until you hipped me to that, dude.

Or, is the proper pronoun, dudette?

No one is living life. It’s just happening all by itself one without a second.

No one knows this.

If you say you know…you don’t.

For even your stories are unknown.

How's it going with Harry, the love of your life? I hope it's worked out. If it hasn't then it's because he's a pr1k.