Are men jealous of women?

[Iwannaplato]

But then as a girl myself, I wouldn't like the idea of having to shave my face daily, or however often men choose to shave, nor would I like to have a bearded face.

It's annoying and you have to take some care when you do it. My father worked out how many days of shaving he had to do and grew a Van Dyke to cut down on the days. I shave in the shower, so I mulitask. But it's a pain.

For a man, I hardly think he would be jealous of having to bleed for up to 4 to 5 days through his genitals every single month, from puberty up until the age of 50ish. Not to mention the pre-menstrual tension, the mood swings, and the awful cramping pains.

I think there is an advantage to the menstrual cycle. I've long had a theory that emotions that have been pushed own come up during that time of the month. In addition what I noticed is that women who suppress anger very, very much - the ones I have known - tended to get very painful cramps. OK, what's the advantage. Well, you have to deal with those emotions, at least somewhat. Men can sit on them for decades.

Note: There is scientific support for the idea that women who suppress anger have more pain during mens. This does not mean that if you have pain you are suppressing anger. There can be other causes.

I think for both male or female, they do carry their own burdens of weight, there's pro's and con's. We just do not get to choose whether to be a boy or a girl, we are simply born either a girl or a boy, whether we like it or not.

I remember reading about childbirth when I was about ten. The article compared the pain involved to various injuries, including burns. I remember thinking, thank God I'm not a woman. Of course, if you are woman you may not have children, but I was terrified back then, even though it couldn't happen to me. Of course, my mother had an extremely painful time and a very long time giving birth to me. So, perhaps my body remembered that and I felt bad for her.

[accelafine]

Of course he's serious. What about that is so incredible? If the guy is cheating on his wife, he couldn't feel that bad if he and his wife got a divorce, could he? Clearly, he's no longer madly in love with his wife if he's bangin the office receptionist. Maybe for financial reasons or not wanting to traumatize the kids with a divorce, yes, a divorce might upset this guy. Otherwise, the cheater guy wouldn't be heartbroken by a divorce.

Maybe they commit suicide because the women they were banging on the side don't want them either? There's a big difference between banging someone and actually living with them and having to put up with all their nasy habits and irritating presence. They do say that women shine after divorce. I wonder why

[LuckyR]

Are men jealous of women?

Multiple orgasms would be nice.

Google tantric sex.

[godelian]

Do men need women more than women need men?

That depends on the type of man.

The pretty-bad boys have an endless supply of women offering sex for free to them, hoping in vain to get commitment in return. The seriously wealthy guys can easily recruit and regularly replace the individual sugar babes in their employ. This demographic of men does not need any woman in particular, because they can always easily replace this woman by another woman.

The guy who is average in both looks and wealth, however, is in a rather bad position in these modern times. He is not handsome enough for women to offer free sex to them. He also doesn't have the financial means to keep around sugar babes.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 98956.html

Lack of ‘economically-attractive’ men to blame for decline in marriage rates, study suggests

Authors say many young men have 'little to bring to the marriage bargain'

Researchers found that the estimated potential husbands had an average income that was 58 per cent higher than the actual amount unmarried men earn.

So, the average woman really does not need the average man. He simply does not bring enough to the table in terms of looks and/or money.

But then again, this is only a local problem. Elsewhere on the globe, the looks and/or the money of the average man are actually more than enough for him to get what he wants.

If a man needs any individual woman in particular, then he is simply inept and ineffective at managing his private life.

It amounts to creating a dangerous single point of failure. A woman should never be irreplaceable or even be deemed irreplaceable. If she knows that she is, she will increasingly exploit this fact and systematically overstep your boundaries. In my opinion, it should always take less than 24 hours to completely unwind a relationship. In fact, that is one of the 175 reasons why you should never get entangled in a civil marriage. They take too long and are too costly to disband. Customary marriage is perfectly fine. Civil marriage is not.

[Fairy]

What's been my personal experience when it comes to the relationships I have had with particular men, especially those who I have had genuine connections and physical and sexual attraction with, or on a mentally intellectually level, to the point I've fallen in love with them. Is that it does appear to take enormous mutual strength, courage, commitment, resilience, dedication, and unwavering willingness to endure unconditionally both the light and dark sides of ourselves as human sentient emotional and feeling beings .. It takes all that to make any relationship possible to workout successfully.

Most people don't ever give relationships a chance, the chance they both actually deserve, to reach that highly aware evolved state of knowing how to love their lovers correctly. Most people just simply walk away at the first sign of difficulty...rather than putting in the enormous amount of effort that is required. Not many people are willing to work that hard to ultimately get to the gold of what really does make a partnership worth keeping. It's as if it's just too much grafting for some people, they'd rather just throw relationships in the trash can, as if people are quick to resign and throw in the towel, as if the relationship is already broken and unrepairable, it's like they just prefer to have things to go their way, or it's the highway, they want everything to be so easy, and usually on their terms only. But this is never about that, it's always about what two people want together, and not just what one wants regardless of how the other feels and thinks.

Most people are too lazy to put in the effort to reach the gold that is potentially there, in every single one of us who want to experience true real love with another partner. Those that choose to walk away from potentially good relationships, well that's just their loss really.

Those who have walked away, will continue to go on seeking their perfect partner in another, constantly seeking what is essentially more of the same, just endlessly drifting from one relationship to another indefinitely without ever finding what it is they are truly looking for, maybe because they still don't exactly know what it is that they are truly looking for. If one person is never enough, then who will be ever enough...and yet, that enough will always be right under their noses all along, closer than their very own skin.

[godelian]

Most people don't ever give relationships a chance, the chance they both actually deserve, to reach that highly aware evolved state of knowing how to love their lovers correctly. Most people just simply walk away at the first sign of difficulty...rather than putting in the enormous amount of effort that is required. Not many people are willing to work that hard to ultimately get to the gold of what really does make a partnership worth keeping. It's as if it's just too much grafting for some people, they'd rather just throw relationships in the trash can, as if people are quick to resign and throw in the towel, as if the relationship is already broken and unrepairable, it's like they just prefer to have things to go their way, or it's the highway, they want everything to be so easy, and usually on their terms only. But this is never about that, it's always about what two people want together, and not just what one wants regardless of how the other feels and thinks.

For men, the priority in life is about job, business, and making money.

If a man fails at that, then a woman (with options) does not want him anyway.

Therefore, a relationship will never be the priority in a man's life. If a man is professionally successful, then the relationship will indeed by on his terms.

This life strategy does not work for women, because a woman won't spend her money on a man anyway. That is why men are generally not attracted to financially successful women. Women, on the other hand, are generally attracted to financially successful men.

All the effort that you seem to expect a man to put into the relationship, he will put in his professional life instead. Men have (historically) never, and will never, put any effort in a relationship. So, it's for the woman to make the relationship work, if it is of importance to her. Otherwise, just scrap the whole idea already.

Traditional women make their relationships work, even today, even though the traditional man does not lift a finger. He works and provides. That's pretty much all.

[Immanuel Can]

Being mentally and emotionally stronger than they are?

More men on the bottom. More men on the top. More women in the middle.

Start with a true assumption, and you might have a good question.

IQ Sex.jpg

You can find this chart reproduced a thousand times on the internet, simply by looking up "IQ Chart by Sex".

So: are women envious of men for being both higher in IQ and contemptuous of them for being lower in IQ than the average woman? That's the right question.

[godelian]

Being mentally and emotionally stronger than they are?

More men on the bottom. More men on the top. More women in the middle.

Start with a true assumption, and you might have a good question.


IQ Sex.jpg


You can find this chart reproduced a thousand times on the internet, simply by looking up "IQ Chart by Sex".

So: are women envious of men for being both higher in IQ and contemptuous of them for being lower in IQ than the average woman? That's the right question.

Indeed, men and women are on average equally intelligent.

However, the distribution for men's intelligence has fatter tails, resulting in the most stupid people being men, but also the most intelligent ones.

That is why spectacular progress and breakthrough in knowledge comes from men. Women are generally too average to produce them.

[Fairy]

So: are women envious of men for being both higher in IQ and contemptuous of them for being lower in IQ than the average woman? That's the right question.

As a woman I'm not envious of men whatever their IQ, or their emotional and mental intelligence, or whether they are filthy wealthy or as poor as a doormouse. I don't care about any of those qualities and values, or what personality attributes they may or not possess.

As a woman, I love all men equally and unconditionally. But can men love women equally and unconditionally. That's the right question.

[Fairy]

Most people don't ever give relationships a chance, the chance they both actually deserve, to reach that highly aware evolved state of knowing how to love their lovers correctly. Most people just simply walk away at the first sign of difficulty...rather than putting in the enormous amount of effort that is required. Not many people are willing to work that hard to ultimately get to the gold of what really does make a partnership worth keeping. It's as if it's just too much grafting for some people, they'd rather just throw relationships in the trash can, as if people are quick to resign and throw in the towel, as if the relationship is already broken and unrepairable, it's like they just prefer to have things to go their way, or it's the highway, they want everything to be so easy, and usually on their terms only. But this is never about that, it's always about what two people want together, and not just what one wants regardless of how the other feels and thinks.

For men, the priority in life is about job, business, and making money.

If a man fails at that, then a woman (with options) does not want him anyway.

Therefore, a relationship will never be the priority in a man's life. If a man is professionally successful, then the relationship will indeed by on his terms.

This life strategy does not work for women, because a woman won't spend her money on a man anyway. That is why men are generally not attracted to financially successful women. Women, on the other hand, are generally attracted to financially successful men.

All the effort that you seem to expect a man to put into the relationship, he will put in his professional life instead. Men have (historically) never, and will never, put any effort in a relationship. So, it's for the woman to make the relationship work, if it is of importance to her. Otherwise, just scrap the whole idea already.

Traditional women make their relationships work, even today, even though the traditional man does not lift a finger. He works and provides. That's pretty much all.

Yes, thank you for your opinion. I understand what you are saying. I can certainly relate to what you have said there.

Times are always changing though....

Modern men and women are different to what they used to be like back in the olden days, from days gone by.

Though today there seems to have occurred a huge radical paradigm shift, in the way men and women are choosing to live their lives, either together, or alone.


One example of how times have changed for men and women today.
Allow me to just paste here what I personally wrote earlier, about how I as a woman have described the changes, but of course it's just how I am seeing it, I'm not saying it's how it is, just how I'm perceiving it >

Maybe it's a sign of the times. The modern woman of today doesn't actually need a man anymore. And vice versa. Times have changed since back in the olden days when women were soley reliant upon a man mainly for her financial security and the security of the children that the pair bond may or may not have had together.

In today's modern technological society, it seems everyone can live a life of financial security, and be wholly independent and totally self-sufficient. Every modern adult today in most, not all parts of the world, basically have all their needs, wants and desires met, they literally have everything they could ever wish or want for in life via a simple one click upon their iphone or upon any other computer device they happen to own.

Women today make just as much money as men, if not more. Women and Men both can achieve and do extremely well academically and can excel in very high value jobs, and even be their own CEO's. Even education is better, and more readily available, because of ample government funding for places at university. University is made available to anyone these days, not just the entitled.

Women today can even go to a sperm bank if she so desired to have children alone, she can choose to raise the children by herself, which she can do quite well and effectively. Men can adopt children or organise a surrogate to get a baby, men can even just go to a prostitute if he so had a desire for sex without ever having to think about commitment to another person.

Women and men can have one-night, mutually consenting, no strings attached, sexual flings, if they both agreed to do that.
Marriage has become an outdated contract today, that back in the day was once thought to be designed specifically to serve and protect children ensuring their emotional and mental well being, social interest, and security. And yet, it doesn't need or have to be like that today. Marriage is dying, it's not the way to go, it's too limiting, suffocating and can be likened to a form of legalised slavery. Not a very evolved idea anymore.

Children can often be more emotionally and mentally stable, and happier anyway, with just one loyal, mature, consistent, committed loving parent than they could with two parents who are always at war with each other, or are just too immature to deal with what it means to raise a child properly whereby they are taught to love themselves just as they are without wanting them to be anyone else, who they are not, rather than who they are.

Or how mum or dad would like them to be. Or would interfere and mould them into taking a life path not of their own choosing, but of the parents choosing. Choosing their child's life path is toxic parenting. That's a no no for sure. So even if the child wanted to be a homeless beggar on the street, then that's their choice, and they should not be judged for that life choice. People today are free to live as they so wish, everything people do is out of love for their own self, and no other one can deny them their own life path which ever destination it takes them to, including suicide.

After all, life is not for everyone. And we should all be allowed to make our own choices as to whether we want to live or die. Today, people are allowed to go to suicide clinics and have their life ended if that's what they choose. It's not a big deal anymore.

[godelian]

Times are always changing though....

Modern men and women are different to what they used to be like back in the olden days, from days gone by.

Most women have changed. Most men have not.
(Well, in the West, of course. Elsewhere, inter-gender modernity is not as prevalent.)

Hence, there is a massive gap between what men and women want. The majority of men are traditional. The majority of women are modern. Modernity does not benefit men. Modernity only benefits women if they can find a man willing to go along with it, which they increasingly don't.

The problem is that most modern women only want the benefits from modernity. When it suits them better, they will switch to trying to get the benefits from tradition. Hence, they are modern when it suits them and traditional when it doesn't. That is one of the many reasons why men do not want relationships with modern women. The outcome is that modern women typically can only do one-night stands with the small demographic of attractive pretty-bad boys and fail to get long-term commitment from men.

The modern woman of today doesn't actually need a man anymore.

I would say that two thirds of women do not need a man financially. At least one third actually does. They cannot pay their bills and living expenses without help.

Times have changed since back in the olden days when women were solely reliant upon a man mainly for her financial security

The modern economy is gradually shifting in the direction of an economic and financial collapse. The modern woman has given up having a family in exchange for a job. It won't take much longer anymore and she won't have either.

In today's modern technological society, it seems everyone can live a life of financial security, and be wholly independent and totally self-sufficient.

Not for much longer. Some really hard economic times are on the horizon.

Women today make just as much money as men, if not more.

Yes, the wage gap is currently indeed a mere 10%.

However, as soon as the economy inevitably collapses, you will find that while the hard manual labor done by men will still need to be done, a lot of easy menial office work done by women will disappear.

Women and Men both can achieve and do extremely well academically and can excel in very high value jobs, and even be their own CEO's. Even education is better, and more readily available, because of ample government funding for places at university. University is made available to anyone these days, not just the entitled.

Around 80% of university graduates do not work in their field.

So, they cannot claim that their degree increases their productivity or their wages.

Even for the 20% who do work in their field, it is debatable if their degree contributes anything. Furthermore, because of the ballooning student debt problem, quite a few graduates end up with substantially less income than people who did even just a short vocational training. The median graduate earns quite a bit less than a plumber, an electrician or a truck driver. According to the current data, a degree is not a good investment. There are some exceptions, but they are few and far between.

The wages for graduates are gradually sinking to the level of unskilled labour, because that is what graduates actually are when they work outside their field of study.

Women and men can have one-night, mutually consenting, no strings attached, sexual flings, if they both agreed to do that.

Yes, but the consequences are not the same for men as for women.

If a woman has a history of one-night stands, she will not be able to get commitment from a man with options. Given the fact that most women do not even want men without options, this means that they will generally fail to secure commitment from a man. So, once a woman starts doing one-night stands, she will have to keep doing them, because anything else will no longer be available.

Women may not care much about a man's sexual past, but men certainly do care about a woman's sexual past.

So, the question is: will the modern woman ever need commitment from a man? If she doesn't want children, probably not. But then again, with the projected future bankruptcy of social security and other retirement benefit systems, having children to help out in old age will sooner or later become more important again.

Currently a lot of people think that they do not need children. Who will take care of them in old age? Well, someone else's children! The problem is that if everybody thinks like that, there won't be enough other people's children to support that kind of arrangement. In that sense, social security is on the long run self-defeating. This is just another example of how modernity is scheduled to destroy itself.

We currently live in the end of an era. So, either you figure out a way to make money from the impending collapse, or else, you will simply collapse along.

Marriage is dying, it's not the way to go, it's too limiting, suffocating and can be likened to a form of legalised slavery. Not a very evolved idea anymore.

For two thirds of women, this is currently a sustainable view on the matter. For one third, it is not. They cannot support themselves. If they cannot find some help to pay the bills and living expenses, they may even end up indigent. After the financial collapse, the proportions will almost surely reverse. Only one third will be able to do it alone. Two thirds will either find some help or end up indigent.

Single mothers are already the poorest demographic in society. This is obviously not going to get any better.

Choosing their child's life path is toxic parenting. That's a no no for sure. So even if the child wanted to be a homeless beggar on the street, then that's their choice, and they should not be judged for that life choice. People today are free to live as they so wish, everything people do is out of love for their own self, and no other one can deny them their own life path which ever destination it takes them to, including suicide.

The overwhelmingly vast majority of parents disagree with this view and actively steer their child in the direction that they see fit.

[Fairy]

Thank you for your response godelian. You have made some very thought provoking, and very interesting valid points. Excellent awareness, of which I have nothing to add. I agree mostly with what you are saying as I have also understood. Great post, ty.

I'm just left wondering though...can't men and women just have it all, can't they have both the traditional relationship and the modern both? Can't they find a way to combine modernity with old traditional ways of living, and figure out a way to make both into a harmonious long lasting enduring partnership.

[Immanuel Can]

So: are women envious of men for being both higher in IQ and contemptuous of them for being lower in IQ than the average woman? That's the right question.

As a woman, I love all men equally and unconditionally. But can men love women equally and unconditionally. That's the right question.

Well, if women are so "loving," how come EVERY woman can always tell you horror stories about how other women have treated her -- through character assassination, exclusion, cyberbullying, reputational destruction, body-shaming...and on, and on and on? In fact, I'll bet that you, yourself, can tell me dozens of such stories...how other women have done you down in your life. And you want to say that it's because you're speaking "as a woman" that you "love all men equally and unconditionally"? Women don't even show love to OTHER WOMEN. How is it you think they have such an infinite fountain of empathy for "all men"?

Nobody who's lived with any group of women for any length of time, male or female, is going to believe you.

[accelafine]

So: are women envious of men for being both higher in IQ and contemptuous of them for being lower in IQ than the average woman? That's the right question.

As a woman, I love all men equally and unconditionally. But can men love women equally and unconditionally. That's the right question.

Well, if women are so "loving," how come EVERY woman can always tell you horror stories about how other women have treated her -- through character assassination, exclusion, cyberbullying, reputational destruction, body-shaming...and on, and on and on? In fact, I'll bet that you, yourself, can tell me dozens of such stories...how other women have done you down in your life. And you want to say that it's because you're speaking "as a woman" that you "love all men equally and unconditionally"? Women don't even show love to OTHER WOMEN. How is it you think they have such an infinite fountain of empathy for "all men"?

Nobody who's lived with any group of women for any length of time, male or female, is going to believe you.

It was always obvious that you were a woman-hating c***

[Atla]

Traditional women make their relationships work, even today, even though the traditional man does not lift a finger. He works and provides. That's pretty much all.

Incel level: legendary