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iambiguous wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:58 am From the NYT:

Ukraine has asked to use Western long-range weapons to strike deeper into Russia for months. It argues that it needs those weapons to hit military sites that house Russian warplanes and that launch missiles into Ukrainian cities.

Those entreaties were a major topic of discussion on Friday as President Biden met with Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain, who is trying to nudge the United States to give more latitude to the Ukrainians. Mr. Starmer would especially like Mr. Biden’s support for Britain to allow Ukraine to use British Storm Shadow missiles to fire farther into Russia.


Farther into Russia? Like, say, Moscow?

And now [for me] this guy: Keir Starmer.

What's going on inside his head? How far is he willing to push the call for expanding the conflict? With Biden and Putin, who really knows what they might be capable of. And now this guy is trying to talk Biden into seeing if Putin is only bluffing...again?
Jill Stein for President. The world needs a peacemaker right now.
A Jill Stein administration will:

Establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights
End existing wars, military actions, proxy wars and secret wars
Cut military spending by 50-75% and ensure a just transition that replaces military jobs with Green New Deal jobs
Invest the peace dividend in a Global Green New Deal to prevent climate collapse, and build toward universal access to basic human needs for food, clean water and sanitation, education, and health care for every human being on Earth
Close the vast majority of the 700+ foreign US military bases
Stop U.S. support and arms sales to human rights abusers
Lead on global nuclear disarmament
End unilateral economic sanctions that primarily harm civilian populations
Remove war powers from the president and restore Congress’ sole power to declare war
Disband NATO and replace it with a modern, inclusive security framework that respects the security interests of all nations and people
Demand an immediate ceasefire in Israel and Palestine, an end to the blockade of Gaza, immediate humanitarian and medical relief, and release of hostages and political prisoners
Immediately end all military aid to Israel and adopt sanctions until Israel complies with international law to put an end to decades of violence, illegal occupation, displacement, dispossession, apartheid, and ethnic cleansing
End the longstanding US practice of vetoing UN Security Council resolutions to hold Israel accountable to international law
Move to end the UN Security Council to ensure the UN is a true democratic body
Remove U.S. troops from Iraq and Syria
Stop fueling the war between Russia and Ukraine and lead on negotiating a peaceful end
End the embargo of Cuba and normalize relations
End sanctions on Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela that amount to collective punishment of civilian populations
End US interventionist policies that drive people to become migrant refugees
End the failed drug wars and stop regime change attempts against foreign governments
Ban the use of killer drones, robots, and artificial intelligence
Close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp
Ensure family-supporting wages and benefits for military service members
Fully fund veterans’ programs and benefits, including healthcare, mental health, housing, and job training, for a transition to civilian life
Protect the rights of service members, including conscientious objectors
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In other words, throw Ukraine to the wolf.
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phyllo wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:13 am In other words, throw Ukraine to the wolf.
Hopefully the Russian people will reciprocate and throw Putin's evil ass out the window also and cease this war. The world needs a change in leadership across the board. Hamas and Netanyahu both need to go too.
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"only the dead have seen the end of war" - Santayana

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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:36 am
phyllo wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:13 am In other words, throw Ukraine to the wolf.
Hopefully the Russian people will reciprocate and throw Putin's evil ass out the window also and cease this war. The world needs a change in leadership across the board. Hamas and Netanyahu both need to go too.
He has all the doors and windows locked.
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But seriously, Ukraine's best hope is to keep getting supplies from the US and the West, until Putin and his supporters realize that they can't win by attrition.
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I disagree. Ukraine needs to yield a portion of their territory to Putin to give him something and temporarily appease him, then join NATO and hold the new line if Putin becomes aggressive again. This will be a globally strategic move because it will at least temporarily cease one major conflict as the middle east plummets deeper into conflict. My concern is that escalations could lead to low yield nuke use somewhere... and once that can has been opened, we've got a whole new dasein of possibilities to contend with.

I say NATO countries need to absolve Ukraine entirely (after a portion is annexed by Putin) and integrate and support the Ukrainian people with whatever they need. In other words, not just Ukraine suffers the loss of territory, but united nation countries must share this burder because appeasing Putin by surrendering a portion of another country to stop his relentless unending attack benefits them as well. The sacrifice would be made for the whole western world. We would owe the Ukrainians.

I say again and demand of the Russian proletariat that he immediately strike and refuse to work in the industries supporting the Russian war effort. Let Putin fill his prisons with u, but he will never break your bolshevik spirit!

Hard to say tho who will bring about Armageddon. The jews, the jihadists, the chinese uncommunists, the perennial evolaian patriarch conservative russian romantics, the american Baptist televangelists, could be any one of them.
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The current so called peace plans let Russia keep all the territory it has taken and don't allow Ukraine to join NATO.
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That's because instead of being a modern day Napoleon or Lenin like i should be, my fate has stricken me to a lowly and insignificant plebian life with no political power, so I have no say-so about what happens with NATO.

If i were elected president, as your president I would have both conflicts stopped by March of 2025. That is my promise to the american people and the world.
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Stopping the conflict is easy.
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I may be very wrong here, but I suspect that the real Putin will be hard to appease, since he died nearly a year ago. This younger, neurotypical body double with the puffy face is just following orders.
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Any man who purposely wrestles bears without a shirt on has severe self-esteem issues that could evolve and affect the man's leadership ability, thus making him ineligible for the presidency.

Riding four wheelers is fine. Wrestling bears and riding shirtless on horses is pushing it.
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Putin may be suffering from ancient slavic Anglo saxin envy of the free spirit of the degenerate western man, that beautiful monster born by the war of independence from the british crown. Lawless yankee americans and their clint Eastwood westerns. These are the films that inspired a generation of Russian leaders.
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From the NYT:

Ukraine has asked to use Western long-range weapons to strike deeper into Russia for months. It argues that it needs those weapons to hit military sites that house Russian warplanes and that launch missiles into Ukrainian cities.

Those entreaties were a major topic of discussion on Friday as President Biden met with Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain, who is trying to nudge the United States to give more latitude to the Ukrainians. Mr. Starmer would especially like Mr. Biden’s support for Britain to allow Ukraine to use British Storm Shadow missiles to fire farther into Russia.


And now this from the NYT:

Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia With Long-Range U.S. Missiles

With two months left in office, the president for the first time authorized the Ukrainian military to use the system known as ATACMS to help defend its forces in the Kursk region of Russia.


What's troublesome is that Biden is no doubt still preoccupied with -- and pissed off about -- being driven out of the race. And I suspect he is convinced that had he been the candidate he would have won.

So, instead of the potential for being the most powerful man in world for another 4 years, it's all over for him. What more has he got to lose over the next two months?

Who the hell really knows what is going on inside his head. Maybe it is just a response to those 10,000 North Korean soldiers. Or maybe he figures fuck it, I'll go out with a bang.
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iambiguous wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:02 am From the NYT:

Ukraine has asked to use Western long-range weapons to strike deeper into Russia for months. It argues that it needs those weapons to hit military sites that house Russian warplanes and that launch missiles into Ukrainian cities.

Those entreaties were a major topic of discussion on Friday as President Biden met with Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain, who is trying to nudge the United States to give more latitude to the Ukrainians. Mr. Starmer would especially like Mr. Biden’s support for Britain to allow Ukraine to use British Storm Shadow missiles to fire farther into Russia.


And now this from the NYT:

Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia With Long-Range U.S. Missiles

With two months left in office, the president for the first time authorized the Ukrainian military to use the system known as ATACMS to help defend its forces in the Kursk region of Russia.


What's troublesome is that Biden is no doubt still preoccupied with -- and pissed off about -- being driven out of the race. And I suspect he is convinced that had he been the candidate he would have won.

So, instead of the potential for being the most powerful man in world for another 4 years, it's all over for him. What more has he got to lose over the next two months?

Who the hell really knows what is going on inside his head. Maybe it is just a response to those 10,000 North Korean soldiers. Or maybe he figures fuck it, I'll go out with a bang.
Perhaps Trump should play a move now and warn Zelinksy that he will withhold support once in office if Ukraine uses US weapons upon Russian territory :wink:
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