Morality & Philosophical Maturity

Should you think about your duty, or about the consequences of your actions? Or should you concentrate on becoming a good person?

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Veritas Aequitas
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Morality & Philosophical Maturity

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Unfortunately the majority of philosophical realists are unable wean off absolute mind-independence because they are entrapped and infected with the "absolutely-independence" virus; if they can wean it off, they would have gained philosophical maturity re morality and others.
Atla wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:19 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:07 am What you are engaging with is metaphysical and chasing an illusion as misled by an evolutionary default.
Yes he's chasing the illusion of direct perception, do you know who else are chasing another illusion (a much worse one)? The Kantians who think that the representation they experience is reality itself.
Kantian do not chase after 'representations' as reality itself, that is what the hardcore idealist are claiming and doing.

What Kantians and the like claim is;
Whatever thing emerged as real to our observations and experience is a culmination of a complex process of emergence, realization of reality, perception of representations, cognition and appearances, which is subsequently justified and described as knowledge.

This culmination of that-something realized as real cannot be absolutely independent of the human conditions.
Somehow the human conditions is intricately part and parcel of the whole process that enable the emergence of that-something as observed and experienced plus being thought, rationalized and justified via a specific collective of subject human based FSERC.

It is only via an evolutionary default driven by an existential crisis that philosophical realists are instinctuated [to facilitate basis survival] to believe [very necessarily within condition] things as observed and experienced are absolutely independent of the human conditions. This is very primal and primitive psychology and philosophical realists [direct and indirect realism, and the like] adopt such an instinct as an fundamentalistic ideology which had hindered humanity's progress.

It is now 2024, not 10,000 BC wherein it is time for humanity to progress to the human-based FSERC basis of relative independence in their grasp of reality.

Question: what has the philosophical realists to lose if they are to wean off their clingingness to the idea of an absolutely independent reality?
Unfortunately the majority of philosophical realists are unable to do so because they are entrapped and infected with the "absolutely-independence" virus; if they can wean it off, they would have gained philosophical maturity.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:50 am Unfortunately the majority of philosophical realists are unable wean off absolute mind-independence because they are entrapped and infected with the "absolutely-independence" virus; if they can wean it off, they would have gained philosophical maturity re morality and others.
Opening a thread with an ad hom - here's the real reason you believe what you do - insult.

But VA claims he only responds with such things when others start.

And this claim is conditioned on the VA's intuition FSERC.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:50 am Unfortunately the majority of philosophical realists are unable wean off absolute mind-independence because they are entrapped and infected with the "absolutely-independence" virus; if they can wean it off, they would have gained philosophical maturity re morality and others.
Atla wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:19 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:07 am What you are engaging with is metaphysical and chasing an illusion as misled by an evolutionary default.
Yes he's chasing the illusion of direct perception, do you know who else are chasing another illusion (a much worse one)? The Kantians who think that the representation they experience is reality itself.
Kantian do not chase after 'representations' as reality itself, that is what the hardcore idealist are claiming and doing.

What Kantians and the like claim is;
Whatever thing emerged as real to our observations and experience is a culmination of a complex process of emergence, realization of reality, perception of representations, cognition and appearances, which is subsequently justified and described as knowledge.

This culmination of that-something realized as real cannot be absolutely independent of the human conditions.
Somehow the human conditions is intricately part and parcel of the whole process that enable the emergence of that-something as observed and experienced plus being thought, rationalized and justified via a specific collective of subject human based FSERC.
The above is conditioned upon 13.7 billion years of physical history and 3.5 billions years of evolutionary history.

It is only via an evolutionary default driven by an existential crisis that philosophical realists are instinctuated [to facilitate basis survival] to believe [very necessarily within condition] things as observed and experienced are absolutely independent of the human conditions. This is very primal and primitive psychology and philosophical realists [direct and indirect realism, and the like] adopt such an instinct as an fundamentalistic ideology which had hindered humanity's progress.

It is now 2024, not 10,000 BC wherein it is time for humanity to progress to the human-based FSERC basis of relative independence in their grasp of reality.

Question: what has the philosophical realists to lose if they are to wean off their clingingness to the idea of an absolutely independent reality?
Unfortunately the majority of philosophical realists are unable to do so because they are entrapped and infected with the "absolutely-independence" virus; if they can wean it off, they would have gained philosophical maturity.
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Re: Morality & Philosophical Maturity

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:50 am Unfortunately the majority of philosophical realists are unable wean off absolute mind-independence because they are entrapped and infected with the "absolutely-independence" virus; if they can wean it off, they would have gained philosophical maturity re morality and others.
Opening a thread with an ad hom - here's the real reason you believe what you do - insult.

But VA claims he only responds with such things when others start.

And this claim is conditioned on the VA's intuition FSERC.
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