Free will, freedom from what?

[phyllo]

The Sidney Powell defense:

Ex-Trump attorney Sidney Powell's weekslong campaign to invalidate the results of the 2020 election was not based in fact, her lawyers said Monday.

“No reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact,” Powell's attorneys said in a court filing defending her against a billion-dollar defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems, the manufacturer of the election equipment she claimed was involved in the conspiracy to steal the election.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... e-n1261809

[henry quirk]

Such is the nature of the human animal.

I tend to think better of folks than that. But that's to be expected.

And you have often posted it without the "in the afterlife " tag.

Usually I post the whole piece, which includes title and author. Sometimes I throw in the *link.

But let's say I were to just post it...

The universe is nothing but particles. All those particles follow laws of motion. They aren’t free. The brain is made up entirely of those same particles. Therefore, there is nothing in the brain that would give us freedom. These particles also don’t understand anything, they don’t make sense of anything, they don’t grasp the meaning of anything. Since the brain, again, is made up of those particles, it has no power to allow us to grasp meaning or understand anything. But we do understand. We do grasp meaning. Therefore, we are talking about qualities we possess which are not made out of energy. These qualities are entirely non-material.

...like this. Then you'd have nuthin' to complain about.




*https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2014/04 ... free-will/

[Atla]

The point is that IC's concept of randomness is based on "lack of information".

True randomness isn't based on lack of information. And if it exists, then "predetermination" isn't possible.

IC lied at least 4 more times in the last few comments, it's just what he does.

[phyllo]

But let's say I were to just post it...

The universe is nothing but particles. All those particles follow laws of motion. They aren’t free. The brain is made up entirely of those same particles. Therefore, there is nothing in the brain that would give us freedom. These particles also don’t understand anything, they don’t make sense of anything, they don’t grasp the meaning of anything. Since the brain, again, is made up of those particles, it has no power to allow us to grasp meaning or understand anything. But we do understand. We do grasp meaning. Therefore, we are talking about qualities we possess which are not made out of energy. These qualities are entirely non-material.

...like this. Then you'd have nuthin' to complain about.

This has already been discussed.

"Understanding" and "grasping" are emergent properties of matter.

Posters gave you examples ... one example is that wetness is not a property of atoms. It only comes out when atoms are combined into complex structures.

Lots of properties are observed that protons, neutrons and electrons don't have in themselves.

[Flannel Jesus]

The point is that IC's concept of randomness is based on "lack of information".

True randomness isn't based on lack of information. And if it exists, then "predetermination" isn't possible.

I agree with all that. It's some kind of faux randomness he's talking about.

[phyllo]

Either the physical brain "understands" and "grasps" or something else does.

If the brain is damaged or altered, then "understanding" and "grasping" goes away.

Why would that be if something else does the "understanding" and "grasping"?

What's the purpose of the brain if it does not do "understanding" and "grasping"?

Doesn't the brain think and decide? That's why it's there.

PS Not a response to FJ.

[Flannel Jesus]

Either the physical brain "understands" and "grasps" or something else does.

If the brain is damaged or altered, then "understanding" and "grasping" goes away.

Why would that be if something else does the "understanding" and "grasping"?

What's the purpose of the brain if it does not do "understanding" and "grasping"?

Doesn't the brain think and decide? That's why it's there.

PS Not a response to FJ.

I agree with all that too. Brain damage affects speed of thought, clarity of thought, moral thought, memory, etc. That doesn't of course PROVE that all of mind is in the brain, but it's a pretty compelling sign post.

[Janoah]

сan you disobey the law of gravity?

Fly the...F5812203-0B37-49D7-9CF8-4B456CA5EB16.gif..and show gravity who's boss!

Harbal has already answered you sufficiently on this.

[Immanuel Can]

The point is that IC's concept of randomness is based on "lack of information".

Speaking of "lack of information," why don't you answer my question?

What's your "scientific" definition of "random"?

[Immanuel Can]

The point is that IC's concept of randomness is based on "lack of information".

True randomness isn't based on lack of information. And if it exists, then "predetermination" isn't possible.

I agree with all that. It's some kind of faux randomness he's talking about.

You shouldn't. There's nothing about being the pawn of random factors that is any better than being the pawn of factors we know. In both cases, we would just be pawns, still in what Weber called, "the iron cage" of predetermination. The only thing that would have changed is the name of our "jailor." But we would be no more free.

[henry quirk]

This has already been discussed.

But not countered.

"Understanding" and "grasping" are emergent properties of matter.

I believe this is called a *category mistake. It's the typical dismissiveness of those who cling to a promissory materialism.




*if so, ironic considering who came up with it and why

[henry quirk]

Here's a poor analogy: a damaged hard drive can make it impossible for software to run properly. Each affects the other without being the other. The hardware alone is useless. The software alone is impotent. Apart both are only potential. Together, actuality.

A person is not his soul. A person is the union of body and soul, co-equal.

[henry quirk]

Harbal has already answered you sufficiently on this.

No he didn't: he just moved the goalpost.

Slip the surly bonds of Earth with...

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...and fly!

[Atla]

Here's a poor analogy: a damaged hard drive can make it impossible for software to run properly. Each affects the other without being the other. The hardware alone is useless. The software alone is impotent. Apart both are only potential. Together, actuality.

They are exactly being the other, a software is a part of the hardware. And the entire point of an airplane is to counteract the force of gravity with an opposing force.

lol

[Age]

Here's a poor analogy: a damaged hard drive can make it impossible for software to run properly. Each affects the other without being the other. The hardware alone is useless. The software alone is impotent. Apart both are only potential. Together, actuality.

A person is not his soul. A person is the union of body and soul, co-equal.

So, to "henry quirk" anyway, children and the "disabled" are lesser people that it is.