Questions to Christians

[Immanuel Can]

I must say that your assertion that God, the demands of God, the demands of religion, must come before all else is something I find disturbing.. Before family, before friends, before all human beings? No, that can't go unchallenged. That's wrong, IC, it's just plain wrong.

Wait.

How can anything be...what's your word? "Wrong"? If you live in a universe with no god, and hence no moral absolutes, how can you suppose that doing ANYTHING can be "wrong"? You'll have to explain that one to me, if you can.

You have chosen to base your moral position on God,...

Not me. You. I asked you.

How do you come up with a designation like "wrong," (which clearly you expect others to agree with, even if I decide I don't, and which plausibly you also think I should agree with, if I were thinking "rightly," I must assume), based on a godless world?

I know how I come up with my moral judgments, and have not been shy about saying so: but it seems quite obvious that nothing in your own worldview justifies you calling anybody, doing anything, "wrong" in the objective sense that you are attempting to invoke here.

And if all you mean is, "Harbal finds it wrong for him," then you can't possibly also be expecting me or anyone else to think you're right when you say it. Why should we?

Well I, too, have a moral outlook, but mine has nothing to do with God.

Then in what sense can you call your outlook objectively "moral"? Or do you only mean, "Harbal knows what he likes, and nobody else needs to agree?"

This goes back to your former incoherent position about morality all being subjective. If all morality is merely subjective, then how is Harbal expecting anybody else to be obligated -- or even inclined or persuaded -- to accept his subjective value judgment of "wrongness"?

You see? It just doesn't make any sense for you to express moral outrage or objection, or to call anything "wrong," unless you have some justification for why somebody else OUGHT to agree with that assessment. And you don't. You've previously admitted you don't. You've made all moralizing out to be purely subjective; and that means, that nobody else -- and, in fact, not even you, yourself -- has even a slight duty to share that position.

[Fairy]

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[Fairy]

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[Immanuel Can]

I meant stop talking to me...

I'll do that right now.

Better late than never woman hater.

Are you a woman? Who knew? You never told me. Hence, I can't be hating you for being a woman.

"Fairy" could be a homosexual...it was once used as a synonym for that. So whatever you are, I don't hate you. I just don't agree with you.

[Fairy]

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[Fairy]

I'll do that right now.

Better late than never woman hater.

Are you a woman? Who knew? You never told me. Hence, I can't be hating you for being a woman.

"Fairy" could be a homosexual...it was once used as a synonym for that. So whatever you are, I don't hate you. I just don't agree with you.

[Fairy]

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[Immanuel Can]

I don't hate you. I just don't agree with you.

I don't imagine you would ever break a woman's face either, not like Harbal did to his wife's face. The woman beater he is.

You're certainly full of misandrist rage. That much seems apparent.

But abuse is not philosophy. And rage is not rightness.

Have a nice life.

[Fairy]

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[Immanuel Can]

Please stop hating us women you horrible men. It's you that are the evil ones, but then you blame the woman for being evil. Please stop with the mental abuse, please, my own father mentally and sexually abused me for years, please stop it. .please make it all stop.

None of us is your father. We're not abusing you. We've been disagreeing with you. It's quite different.

If that's how it has been for you, all I can tell you, with all kindness, is you need counselling help. Nobody gets over a history of abuse by suppressing or denying it. You get through it by dealing with it, and you need help to do that.

[Fairy]

I don't hate you. I just don't agree with you.

I don't imagine you would ever break a woman's face either, not like Harbal did to his wife's face. The woman beater he is.

You're certainly full of misandrist rage. That much seems apparent.

But abuse is not philosophy. And rage is not rightness.

Have a nice life.

[Fairy]

Please stop hating us women you horrible men. It's you that are the evil ones, but then you blame the woman for being evil. Please stop with the mental abuse, please, my own father mentally and sexually abused me for years, please stop it. .please make it all stop.

None of us is your father. We're not abusing you. We've been disagreeing with you. It's quite different.

If that's how it has been for you, all I can tell you, with all kindness, is you need counselling help. Nobody gets over a history of abuse by suppressing or denying it. You get through it by dealing with it, and you need help to do that.

[Immanuel Can]

I'm going to kill myself tomorrow, my daughter is going to kill her self too, we've both had enough of this shitty crap cold hearted hell hole.

I don't blame you for being unhappy with your life. But reach out for help. Any option is better than what you're considering.

[Fairy]

Have a nice life.