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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:53 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:43 pm
I mentioned that this concept is wrong given the fact that I didn't write these words yet now I am aware of these written words. So, who did it, a part of me without me being aware of it? Perhaps, but that means that there are at least two agents, and not one!
Can the concept known as “I”or the concept known as “me” or the concept known as “ you” write?
By, "I" I refer to an agent. By, "you" I mean another agent.
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:53 pm That’s like saying words can write. It’s absurd.

What is a word but a sound heard as words, and then transferred to symbols in the form of writing.
Who hears these words? ….what could possibly hear these sounds heard as words…More words?

What could possibly write these words, but more words?

All you know here is that there are words writing words.
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:56 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:49 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:45 pm
The claim written by me. Implies, the words are written by a concept known.
No, it is not a concept. It is an agent who does writing.
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:45 pm The concept known in this case is “me”
You are not a concept. You are an agent.
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:45 pm So I’m asking, can a word write? Can a word write itself. Or are all words actually unwritten ?
These questions are nonsensical.
There is no agent called you, you is you, and agent is agent. Words are fixed. The word fixed, is never the word, unfixed.
Of course, there is an agent called me!
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:43 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:37 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:31 pm
No, I argue about the wrongness of nonduality as a concept.
But there’s no such thing as a non existing duality.

Nonduality simply means, one, not two. It means the duality is illusory, not that the duality does not exist, the duality is the one reflecting itself as everything everywhere like a mirror ball.
I mentioned that this concept is wrong given the fact that I didn't write these words yet now I am aware of these written words. So, who did it, a part of me without me being aware of it? Perhaps, but that means that there are at least two agents, and not one!
Prove there are two agents of writing.

While many authors do apparently appear to be the case, there is only one reader of writing no one ever writ.

Prove there is another author who is conscious and exists separately from you bahman?
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:06 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:49 pm
These questions are nonsensical.
No thing questions. Only the belief a thing can question, can question.
That’s like saying, a thing is conscious..No, things are not conscious.

Does a tree, that is pure living aliveness question it’s reality?

Questions can only arise to the sense of separate self, which is an illusory separation within the dream of separation, a fairytale character.

Who is asking a question, but an imaginary character created by a mind. Have you ever seen your mind, has any one ever seen a mind? No, for even a mind is an artificial construct, in this conception. Reality is unknowing, not known. Concepts are known, and that which is known, knows nothing.
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:06 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:49 pm
These questions are nonsensical.
No thing questions. Only the belief a thing can question, can question.
That’s like saying, a thing is conscious..No, things are not conscious.

Does a tree, that is pure living aliveness question it’s reality?

Questions can only arise to the sense of separate self, which is an illusory separation within the dream of separation, a fairytale character.

Who is asking a question, but an imaginary character created by a mind. Have you ever seen your mind, has any one ever seen a mind? No, for even a mind is an artificial construct, in this conception. Reality is unknowing, not known. Concepts are known, and that which is known, knows nothing.
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:20 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:43 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:37 pm

But there’s no such thing as a non existing duality.

Nonduality simply means, one, not two. It means the duality is illusory, not that the duality does not exist, the duality is the one reflecting itself as everything everywhere like a mirror ball.
I mentioned that this concept is wrong given the fact that I didn't write these words yet now I am aware of these written words. So, who did it, a part of me without me being aware of it? Perhaps, but that means that there are at least two agents, and not one!
Prove there are two agents of writing.

While many authors do apparently appear to be the case, there is only one reader of writing no one ever writ.

Prove there is another author who is conscious and exists separately from you bahman?
How many times I have to say that: The written words in this reply (your reply) are not written by me.
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:18 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:56 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:49 pm
No, it is not a concept. It is an agent who does writing.


You are not a concept. You are an agent.


These questions are nonsensical.
There is no agent called you, you is you, and agent is agent. Words are fixed. The word fixed, is never the word, unfixed.
Of course, there is an agent called me!
But these are just words. Are words conscious? Is the word conscious, conscious? Are all the words appearing on this computer screen that is being read by consciousness, conscious as well?

If that’s what you are pointing to, then that’s simply consciousness conscious of itself as a concept known, but then can concepts know as well, aren’t they already being known….so where is the separation between the knower and the known?
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:22 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:20 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:43 pm
I mentioned that this concept is wrong given the fact that I didn't write these words yet now I am aware of these written words. So, who did it, a part of me without me being aware of it? Perhaps, but that means that there are at least two agents, and not one!
Prove there are two agents of writing.

While many authors do apparently appear to be the case, there is only one reader of writing no one ever writ.

Prove there is another author who is conscious and exists separately from you bahman?
How many times I have to say that: The written words in this reply (your reply) are not written by me.
How many times are you going to say that words write words?
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:29 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:18 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:56 pm

There is no agent called you, you is you, and agent is agent. Words are fixed. The word fixed, is never the word, unfixed.
Of course, there is an agent called me!
But these are just words. Are words conscious? Is the word conscious, conscious? Are all the words appearing on this computer screen that is being read by consciousness, conscious as well?
No to all questions.
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:29 pm If that’s what you are pointing to, then that’s simply consciousness conscious of itself as a concept known, but then can concepts know as well, aren’t they already being known….so where is the separation between the knower and the known?
The distinction between the knower and the known is clear to me. It seems that it is not clear to you.
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:30 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:22 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:20 pm
Prove there are two agents of writing.

While many authors do apparently appear to be the case, there is only one reader of writing no one ever writ.

Prove there is another author who is conscious and exists separately from you bahman?
How many times I have to say that: The written words in this reply (your reply) are not written by me.
How many times are you going to say that words write words?
Was this reply (my reply) written by you?
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:20 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:06 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:49 pm
These questions are nonsensical.
No thing questions. Only the belief a thing can question, can question.
That’s like saying, a thing is conscious..No, things are not conscious.

Does a tree, that is pure living aliveness question it’s reality?

Questions can only arise to the sense of separate self, which is an illusory separation within the dream of separation, a fairytale character.

Who is asking a question, but an imaginary character created by a mind. A concept is never seen, only known by that which cannot be seen, only known. Have you ever seen your mind, has any one ever seen a mind? No, for even a mind is an artificial construct, in this conception. Reality is unknowing, not known. Concepts are known, and that which is known, knows nothing.
I experienced my mind once!
You know the mind as a concept, only known as a concept in this conception. You’ve never actually observed a mind, nor your own conception of birth, nor have you ever witnessed your own death…in the same context..You have no knowledge of the exact moment you fall asleep at night.

Therefore the claim to know is illusory.

Reality never claims ownership of reality. It’s without an author.

An author is an imagined character, a mental construction, known, but never actually seen. What you appear to see, is only a reflection of the blind.
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:53 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:20 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:06 pm

No thing questions. Only the belief a thing can question, can question.
That’s like saying, a thing is conscious..No, things are not conscious.

Does a tree, that is pure living aliveness question it’s reality?

Questions can only arise to the sense of separate self, which is an illusory separation within the dream of separation, a fairytale character.

Who is asking a question, but an imaginary character created by a mind. A concept is never seen, only known by that which cannot be seen, only known. Have you ever seen your mind, has any one ever seen a mind? No, for even a mind is an artificial construct, in this conception. Reality is unknowing, not known. Concepts are known, and that which is known, knows nothing.
I experienced my mind once!
You know the mind as a concept, only known as a concept in this conception. You’ve never actually observed a mind, nor your own conception of birth, nor have you ever witnessed your own death…in the same context..You have no knowledge of the exact moment you fall asleep at night.

Therefore the claim to know is illusory.

Reality never claims ownership of reality. It’s without an author.

An author is an imagined character, a mental construction, known, but never actually seen. What you appear to see, is only a reflection of the blind.
As I said, I experienced my mind once! This is however irrelevant to the discussion.
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:40 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:30 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:22 pm
How many times I have to say that: The written words in this reply (your reply) are not written by me.
How many times are you going to say that words write words?
Was this reply (my reply) written by you?
These words appearing on this computer screen. Are they not being looked upon by the same observer? Are you there seeing different words to the me here? Or are we both seeing the exact same identical images, in the form of words?

If we are seeing the same words, then the observer there and here must be the same one awareness.


Are we not all seeing the exact same words? Don’t we all see the same things. If I here, say to you there, look at that tree…don’t we both see a tree? Why is that? Is that because we are the same one observer knowing the concept “tree”

It’s not like you there can see a tree, and me here, sees a flower, no, be both understand the concept tree,and that the concept tree, is never the concept flower.

So…
Are these words being read by a word…and if not, what is reading these words, if it’s not a word?
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:55 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:53 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:20 pm
I experienced my mind once!
You know the mind as a concept, only known as a concept in this conception. You’ve never actually observed a mind, nor your own conception of birth, nor have you ever witnessed your own death…in the same context..You have no knowledge of the exact moment you fall asleep at night.

Therefore the claim to know is illusory.

Reality never claims ownership of reality. It’s without an author.

An author is an imagined character, a mental construction, known, but never actually seen. What you appear to see, is only a reflection of the blind.
As I said, I experienced my mind once! This is however irrelevant to the discussion.
You can say whatever you like, it’ll be your mental construct. You experience the concept. But does the concept experience you? No, because it is you, not separated from you.

You do not have to prove you exist, you are without doubt or error. But you cannot prove others exist. And that goes for everyone, which is everything. Everything cannot prove there are two everything’s because everything cannot get past it’s own everything without creating more everything that never completes.

So as everything, this does not need to prove another everything, which is absurd. Oneness cannot prove another one exists. why is that, is because oneness is everything and everyone, and everywhere all at once, one without a second.

If you don’t agree, then prove another one exits?

You’d have to step outside of yourself and into another one to pull of that claim that another one does indeed exist separate from you. Which of course is impossible.
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:22 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:55 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:53 pm

You know the mind as a concept, only known as a concept in this conception. You’ve never actually observed a mind, nor your own conception of birth, nor have you ever witnessed your own death…in the same context..You have no knowledge of the exact moment you fall asleep at night.

Therefore the claim to know is illusory.

Reality never claims ownership of reality. It’s without an author.

An author is an imagined character, a mental construction, known, but never actually seen. What you appear to see, is only a reflection of the blind.
As I said, I experienced my mind once! This is however irrelevant to the discussion.
You can say whatever you like, it’ll be your mental construct. You experience the concept. But does the concept experience you? No, because it is you, not separated from you.

You do not have to prove you exist, you are without doubt or error. But you cannot prove others exist. And that goes for everyone, which is everything. Everything cannot prove there are two everything’s because everything cannot get past it’s own everything without creating more everything that never completes.

So as everything, this does not need to prove another everything, which is absurd. Oneness cannot prove another one exists. why is that, is because oneness is everything and everyone, and everywhere all at once, one without a second.

If you don’t agree, then prove another one exits?

You’d have to step outside of yourself and into another one to pull of that claim that another one does indeed exist separate from you. Which of course is impossible.
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