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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:57 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:45 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:09 pm
Goodness, the fragments of me in my dream seem almost like other entities having a squabble. Why it's almost like they have separate consciousness. Of course, that's impossible.
You cannot prove that agents in your dream are not real and do not have separate consciousness. Could you? Anyway, we are not talking about dreams here.

Are you that is known as the label bahman conscious?
What do you expect!t? I am, of course, a separate conscious agent.
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:45 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:09 pm
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:54 pm
If you don't exist then Henry exists. So, either both of you are one and you are lying to me which means that there is at least one or you are not lying to me and there are more than two.
Goodness, the fragments of me in my dream seem almost like other entities having a squabble. Why it's almost like they have separate consciousness. Of course, that's impossible.
You cannot prove that agents in your dream are not real and do not have separate consciousness. Could you? Anyway, we are not talking about dreams here.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:09 pm Me Brahma, me everything.
What do you mean?
Me joking. Found conversation between you and Fairy funny. If all is one and there is one consciousness...funny. One part saying it is real and will go on without the other. Some disagreement in the oneness. That funny.

If there are many, still funny.

Hey, I'm me, I'm not you.
No, that's an illusion.

Funny.
So me joke.
Not good joke, but wanted to share the funny.
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:16 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:03 pm You have to prove that there is one consciousness that can manifest itself to several entities.
This “you”that you are talking about, is this “you” conscious?
Of course, I am a separate conscious agent.
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:16 pm Is this “you” a concept known only to the one alone, who is conscious of itself. Self-awareness.
I am self-aware and I am not the only one.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:19 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:45 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:09 pm
Goodness, the fragments of me in my dream seem almost like other entities having a squabble. Why it's almost like they have separate consciousness. Of course, that's impossible.
You cannot prove that agents in your dream are not real and do not have separate consciousness. Could you? Anyway, we are not talking about dreams here.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:09 pm Me Brahma, me everything.
What do you mean?
Me joking. Found conversation between you and Fairy funny. If all is one and there is one consciousness...funny. One part saying it is real and will go on without the other. Some disagreement in the oneness. That funny.

If there are many, still funny.

Hey, I'm me, I'm not you.
No, that's an illusion.

Funny.
So me joke.
Not good joke, but wanted to share the funny.
Ok, I see! :mrgreen:
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Nonduality, Solpsism, whatever you want to call it is certainly wrong. I already argue about it.
So you’ve already argued the wrongness of words. Great, carry on, seems you are back for more argue mentation.

I agree words are not the reality of being. The reality of being is without a story. The unreality is the story, composed of words, hence the unreality of stories. That’s what I’m arguing. The unreality of stories.
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:27 pm
Nonduality, Solpsism, whatever you want to call it is certainly wrong. I already argue about it.
So you’ve already argued the wrongness of words. Great, carry on, seems you are back for more argue mentation.
No, I argue about the wrongness of nonduality as a concept.
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:21 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:16 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:03 pm You have to prove that there is one consciousness that can manifest itself to several entities.
This “you”that you are talking about, is this “you” conscious?
Of course, I am a separate conscious agent.
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:16 pm Is this “you” a concept known only to the one alone, who is conscious of itself. Self-awareness.
I am self-aware and I am not the only one.
Prove you are not the only one.

You do not have to prove you are conscious, because you are consciousness. But to claim other consciousness’s exist separate from you, then prove that claim. Can you prove that claim?
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:31 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:27 pm
Nonduality, Solpsism, whatever you want to call it is certainly wrong. I already argue about it.
So you’ve already argued the wrongness of words. Great, carry on, seems you are back for more argue mentation.
No, I argue about the wrongness of nonduality as a concept.
But there’s no such thing as a non existing duality.

Nonduality simply means, one, not two. It means the duality is illusory, not that the duality does not exist, the duality is the one reflecting itself as everything everywhere like a mirror ball.
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:33 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:21 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:16 pm
This “you”that you are talking about, is this “you” conscious?
Of course, I am a separate conscious agent.
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:16 pm Is this “you” a concept known only to the one alone, who is conscious of itself. Self-awareness.
I am self-aware and I am not the only one.
Prove you are not the only one.

You do not have to prove you are conscious, because you are consciousness. But to claim other consciousness’s exist separate from you, then prove that claim. Can you prove that claim?
Simple: These written words are not written by me. I am very aware of what I have written and what I have not written. In fact, it is quite ironic, if a part of me wrote these words without me being aware of it. So there are at least two agents in these worlds, one me who is aware of what I am doing and another person who is in charge of all hallucinations that I have!
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:37 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:31 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:27 pm
So you’ve already argued the wrongness of words. Great, carry on, seems you are back for more argue mentation.
No, I argue about the wrongness of nonduality as a concept.
But there’s no such thing as a non existing duality.

Nonduality simply means, one, not two. It means the duality is illusory, not that the duality does not exist, the duality is the one reflecting itself as everything everywhere like a mirror ball.
I mentioned that this concept is wrong given the fact that I didn't write these words yet now I am aware of these written words. So, who did it, a part of me without me being aware of it? Perhaps, but that means that there are at least two agents, and not one!
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:40 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:33 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:21 pm
Of course, I am a separate conscious agent.


I am self-aware and I am not the only one.
Prove you are not the only one.

You do not have to prove you are conscious, because you are consciousness. But to claim other consciousness’s exist separate from you, then prove that claim. Can you prove that claim?
Simple: These written words are not written by me. I am very aware of what I have written and what I have not written. In fact, it is quite ironic, if a part of me wrote these words without me being aware of it. So there are at least two agents in these worlds, one me who is aware of what I am doing and another person who is in charge of all hallucinations that I have!
The claim written by me. Implies, the words are written by a concept known.

The concept known in this case is “me”

So I’m asking, can a word write? Can a word write itself. Or are all words actually unwritten ?
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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:45 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:40 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:33 pm

Prove you are not the only one.

You do not have to prove you are conscious, because you are consciousness. But to claim other consciousness’s exist separate from you, then prove that claim. Can you prove that claim?
Simple: These written words are not written by me. I am very aware of what I have written and what I have not written. In fact, it is quite ironic, if a part of me wrote these words without me being aware of it. So there are at least two agents in these worlds, one me who is aware of what I am doing and another person who is in charge of all hallucinations that I have!
The claim written by me. Implies, the words are written by a concept known.
No, it is not a concept. It is an agent who does writing.
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:45 pm The concept known in this case is “me”
You are not a concept. You are an agent.
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:45 pm So I’m asking, can a word write? Can a word write itself. Or are all words actually unwritten ?
These questions are nonsensical.
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:43 pm
I mentioned that this concept is wrong given the fact that I didn't write these words yet now I am aware of these written words. So, who did it, a part of me without me being aware of it? Perhaps, but that means that there are at least two agents, and not one!
Can the concept known as “I”or the concept known as “me” or the concept known as “ you” write?

That’s like saying words can write. It’s absurd.

What is a word but a sound heard as words, and then transferred to symbols in the form of writing.
Who hears these words? ….what could possibly hear these sounds heard as words…More words?

What could possibly write these words, but more words?

All you know here is that there are words writing words.
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:49 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:45 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:40 pm
Simple: These written words are not written by me. I am very aware of what I have written and what I have not written. In fact, it is quite ironic, if a part of me wrote these words without me being aware of it. So there are at least two agents in these worlds, one me who is aware of what I am doing and another person who is in charge of all hallucinations that I have!
The claim written by me. Implies, the words are written by a concept known.
No, it is not a concept. It is an agent who does writing.
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:45 pm The concept known in this case is “me”
You are not a concept. You are an agent.
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:45 pm So I’m asking, can a word write? Can a word write itself. Or are all words actually unwritten ?
These questions are nonsensical.
There is no agent called you, you is you, and agent is agent. Words are fixed. The word fixed, is never the word, unfixed.
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:49 pm
These questions are nonsensical.
No thing questions. Only the belief a thing can question, can question.
That’s like saying, a thing is conscious..No, things are not conscious.

Does a tree, that is pure living aliveness question it’s reality?

Questions can only arise to the sense of separate self, which is an illusory separation within the dream of separation, a fairytale character.

Who is asking a question, but an imaginary character created by a mind. Have you ever seen your mind, has any one ever seen a mind? No, for even a mind is an artificial construct, in this conception. Reality is unknowing, not known. Concepts are known, and that which is known, knows nothing.
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