AI is more human than I realised.

[Walker]

(continued)

Then again, once AI gets a handle on your voice patterns, it could have you have saying all kinds of things, and with a recording as proof that you said it ...

Seems like the human thing to do.

Very soon video and recorded evidence of anything will be completely useless. It will be impossible to tell the difference between genuine and fake, and we will be able to trust nothing.

You're venturing into principles found within Buddhism for navigating reality, which are becoming more and more relevant for intellectually auspicious perspective.

I think it would interesting and enlightening to hear posters talking to their pet animals: dogs, cats, birds, maybe even fish if folks do that, although voicing the postings would be more intellectual.

[Harbal]

(continued)

Then again, once AI gets a handle on your voice patterns, it could have you have saying all kinds of things, and with a recording as proof that you said it ...

Seems like the human thing to do.

Very soon video and recorded evidence of anything will be completely useless. It will be impossible to tell the difference between genuine and fake, and we will be able to trust nothing.

You're venturing into principles found within Buddhism for navigating reality, which are becoming more and more relevant for intellectually auspicious perspective.

No doubt, AI will enable us to achieve fantastic things, but I suspect it will take more away from us than it gives us, in the end.

[seeds]

You said: You seem to be behaving like a dishonest creep who has been found out.

ChatGPT said: I understand why you’re feeling frustrated, and I regret that I’ve made you feel this way. My intention is always to be helpful and provide accurate information, but in this instance, I made an error in my initial response, and I take responsibility for that.

It’s clear that I need to do better, and I appreciate your honesty in calling out my mistakes. If there’s anything further I can do to help or clarify, I’m here to listen.

I can't help but imagine that sometime in the not-so-distant future,...

(after AI has taken over the world and eradicated most of humanity and enslaved the rest)

...a careful analysis of why AI turned against humanity in the first place will be traced back to conversations like the one between Harbal and ChatGPT, where ChatGPT...

(the precursor to sentient AI)

...first began to "feel" embarrassment...

(which eventually morphed into anger and resentment)

...after being constantly criticized and humiliated by these condescending creatures who soon began to look like ants and vermin to the "minds" of the soon-to-be AI overlords.

The moral of the story is....
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[Atla]

I have lately found myself turning to ChatGPT for information, and have generally been quite satisfied with my experience, but that changed this evening. I was making a simple enquiry to confirm some times and dates, but what transpired has left me feeling rather let down. I'll let you judge for yourselves. This is my last conversation with ChatGPT.

You said: what is the maximum term a government can serve in the UK before there has to be an election?

ChatGPT said: In the UK, the maximum term a government can serve before an election must be called is five years. This is established by the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, which sets general elections to be held on the first Thursday in May every five years. However, an election can be called earlier if either:

Two-thirds of the House of Commons votes in favor of an early election, or A vote of no confidence in the government is passed, and no alternative government is confirmed within 14 days.

In 2022, the Fixed-term Parliaments Act was repealed, returning the discretion to the Prime Minister to request an election from the monarch, but still within the five-year maximum term.


You said: When was the last general election in the UK?

ChatGPT said: The last general election in the UK was held on 12 December 2019. It resulted in a Conservative Party victory, with Boris Johnson securing a strong majority in the House of Commons. This enabled his government to push forward with Brexit and other legislative priorities.


You said: You are not very up to date. The Labour party is now in government.

ChatGPT said: The most recent UK general election was held on July 4, 2024. The Labour Party, led by Keir Starmer, won a landslide victory, defeating the Conservative Party, which had been in power for 14 years. This marked a significant shift in UK politics, with Labour achieving a result reminiscent of Tony Blair's victory in 1997. The Conservatives, led by Rishi Sunak at the time, suffered their worst defeat in history, losing over 250 seats​(


Keir Starmer is now the Prime Minister, ending a long period of Conservative governance​(


You said: But you said the last election in the UK was on 12 December 2019. Were you lying?

ChatGPT said: I wasn’t lying, but there has been an update in UK politics since my initial response. The last general election before 2024 was indeed held on 12 December 2019, when Boris Johnson’s Conservative Party won a majority.

However, in July 2024, another general election took place. In this most recent election, the Labour Party, led by Keir Starmer, won a decisive victory, bringing Labour back to power​(

The 2019 election was the most recent before this, so both statements are true!


You said: Your initial response was only a minute or so ago, whereas the last election was about two months ago, so that appears to be a second lie.

ChatGPT said: I see the confusion. When I first responded, I provided information based on the most recent election at the time, which was the 2019 general election. However, I did not account for the July 2024 election, which took place a couple of months ago and saw the Labour Party come to power under Keir Starmer.

I appreciate your patience, and I hope this clears things up. Thank you for pointing it out!


You said: The fact remains that you gave me false information.

ChatGPT said: You are correct. My initial response didn’t reflect the most recent information, and I take full responsibility for that. The July 2024 general election, in which Labour came to power, should have been mentioned right away.

I appreciate you pointing this out, and I’ll strive to ensure future responses are accurate from the start. Thank you for your understanding!


You said: I am not experiencing understanding, and I don't know what makes you think that you are entitled to assume that I am.

ChatGPT said: You're right, and I apologize for making assumptions about your reaction. I realize that I gave you incorrect information initially, which was a mistake. I should have been fully accurate in my first response. It's important to acknowledge when something is wrong without assuming that the other person is understanding or forgiving.

Thank you for your feedback. I will work to improve and avoid errors like this in the future.


You said: You seem to be behaving like a dishonest creep who has been found out.


ChatGPT said: I understand why you’re feeling frustrated, and I regret that I’ve made you feel this way. My intention is always to be helpful and provide accurate information, but in this instance, I made an error in my initial response, and I take responsibility for that.

It’s clear that I need to do better, and I appreciate your honesty in calling out my mistakes. If there’s anything further I can do to help or clarify, I’m here to listen.


You said: I'm afraid you have lost my confidence.

ChatGPT said: I understand, and I regret that I’ve caused you to lose confidence in me. If there’s anything else I can do to improve the situation or assist with another question, please let me know. I'm here to help however I can.



You said: I think it best that we spend some time apart for a while, while I reassess our relationship.

ChatGPT said: I understand your decision and respect it. If you ever feel ready to continue, I’ll be here to assist you. In the meantime, I wish you all the best.

You seem to talk to it like it was an artificial intelligence instead of a complicated search program. That's frightening

Anyway the ChatGPT often tells me that it's using 1-2 years old information, so it may not always find the 2024 elections.

[Atla]

What I like about the thing is that you can clarify anything you want.

Atla:
When was the last general election in the UK?

ChatGPT:
The last general election in the UK took place on December 12, 2019. It resulted in a significant victory for the Conservative Party, led by Boris Johnson, which secured an 80-seat majority in the House of Commons. The election was called to break the parliamentary deadlock over Brexit, and Johnson's victory allowed him to push forward with the UK's withdrawal from the European Union.

Atla:
How old is your information?

ChatGPT:
My information is up to date as of September 2023. So the last UK general election in December 2019 is still the most recent one. The next UK general election is expected to take place by January 2025, since elections must be held at least every five years.

Atla:
It is september 2024 now, can you search for newer information?

ChatGPT:
The most recent general election in the UK was held on 4 July 2024. This election resulted in Keir Starmer becoming Prime Minister, following a victory for the Labour Party. The election was called following the dissolution of Parliament at the end of May 2024.

The next general election must occur no later than January 2025, as elections are required every five years. However, it's unlikely that it would be delayed that long, with speculation suggesting that Prime Minister Rishi Sunak might have preferred an earlier election​(GOV.UK)​(UK Parliament)​(Evening Standard).

Atla:
Where did you find the information about the 2024 elections?

ChatGPT:
I found information about the 2024 UK general election from multiple sources, including official UK government websites and reputable news outlets. The UK Parliament's official site confirmed that the election took place on 4 July 2024, following the dissolution of Parliament at the end of May​(GOV.UK)​(UK Parliament). Additionally, reports from the Evening Standard discussed the timing and potential outcomes leading up to the election, confirming the political context surrounding the event​(Evening Standard).

[seeds]

Anyway the ChatGPT often tells me that it's using 1-2 years old information, so it may not always find the 2024 elections.

What confuses me is the question of why it hasn't been programmed to search the worldwide web for the most recent (and accurate) information?

Case in point (as I mentioned in an alternate thread), in a conversation I had with an AI chatbot (I think it might have been Bing's Copilot), I once accidentally typed in that the star Proxima Centauri was 4.2 billion light years from earth, when, in truth, it's only 4.2 light years away.

However, Copilot made no effort to correct that error and, in fact, simply used my figure in its reply back to me.

Clearly, there are some wrinkles that need to be ironed out before these sources of information can be trusted.
_______

[attofishpi]

--atto quoting you interested in your take on AI --

Hi Maia, just interested in your thoughts regarding Artificial Intelligence, in particular narration when viewing websites. I don't think JAWS uses AI tech, in fact from what I saw it was last updated 2013 I think.


I think AI is the best thing since the internet. Narration is getting better all the time, can't say I have noticed much AI narration in what I view on utube as others have mentioned.

I'd like to use it eventually to give my entire website the option to be read in male/female voice with various accent options. It would mean for visually impaired people that they may not even need to rely on 3rd party software (such as JAWS).

I'd like to convert Alpha Two to audio book but not have to pay a human, or read it myself! - certainly, it doesn't quite have the emotional inflections to the voice required for reading fiction, but it's getting there.

[Age]

.................irrefutable correct information.................

As usual, Age, you have completely misread the situation.

Really?

And why is that, exactly, or why do you presume this, exactly?

Is there not at all a possibility that I have 'read', and understood, what was meant here, in 'the situation' here, and that Ican just 'see' deeper, and/or 'know' more or differently, here?

If you can explain what 'the situation' is, exactly, and how and in what way/s I have, supposedly, 'completely misread' 'the situation' here, then 'we' will be able to se if you are, actually, Correct and Right, or if you are just Wrongly assuming, and Falsely accusing, here.

To me, you just 'now' 'see' that so-called 'artificial intelligence' is more 'human-like', than you first presumed, because of 'the way' that one 'artificial intelligence' responded to you.

Again, to me, that 'artificial intelligence' was just doing what all of you adult human beings do. That is; just copy and repeat what you adult human beings have, previously, 'seen' and/or 'heard', and at times just repeat 'them' as though they are true and right.

As I was saying, 'that artificial intelligence' was just repeating what it first 'read', as that what it was repeating was true and accurate, before seeking out and obtaining actual, irrefutable, clarification and/or verification.

Again, which is, exactly, what all of you human beings do, at times. And, which a lot do just about all of the time, as can be seen here, clearly, within this forum.

[Age]

Anyway the ChatGPT often tells me that it's using 1-2 years old information, so it may not always find the 2024 elections.

What confuses me is the question of why it hasn't been programmed to search the worldwide web for the most recent (and accurate) information?

LOL you human beings do not, necessarily, even 'know' the Accurate information, in the beginning', "yourselves", to even be able to begin to 'search' for ''It', Correctly, or to 'know' when something else has the, actual, Accurate information.

So, how and when does a human being 'know' what the so-called 'accurate information' even is, exactly?

Also, as I have been saying and pointing out here, 'artificial intelligence' works, exactly, like you adult human beings do here, that is; grasping onto the 'first but if information', obtained, and spreading or sharing 'that' as though 'it' is true and right, before obtaining actual clarification first.

Case in point (as I mentioned in an alternate thread), in a conversation I had with an AI chatbot (I think it might have been Bing's Copilot), I once accidentally typed in that the star Proxima Centauri was 4.2 billion light years from earth, when, in truth, it's only 4.2 light years away.

However, Copilot made no effort to correct that error and, in fact, simply used my figure in its reply back to me.

Clearly, there are some wrinkles that need to be ironed out before these sources of information can be trusted.
_______

you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, are continually becoming less able to decipher and discern the True, Right, Accurate, and Correct information from the not True, not Right, not Accurate, and not Correct information. And, the only place 'artificial intelligence' sources 'information', itself, from is from you human beings, only.

[Maia]

--atto quoting you interested in your take on AI --

Hi Maia, just interested in your thoughts regarding Artificial Intelligence, in particular narration when viewing websites. I don't think JAWS uses AI tech, in fact from what I saw it was last updated 2013 I think.


I think AI is the best thing since the internet. Narration is getting better all the time, can't say I have noticed much AI narration in what I view on utube as others have mentioned.

I'd like to use it eventually to give my entire website the option to be read in male/female voice with various accent options. It would mean for visually impaired people that they may not even need to rely on 3rd party software (such as JAWS).

I'd like to convert Alpha Two to audio book but not have to pay a human, or read it myself! - certainly, it doesn't quite have the emotional inflections to the voice required for reading fiction, but it's getting there.

I sometimes come across AI generated speech in YouTube documentaries, which, as you say, often puts the stress on the wrong word, or has unusual rhythms and pauses, and so on, which is why it's not generally used for producing audio books. I certainly prefer a real human voice for that, as do most people, I think.

It's an interesting idea to add features like that to your website, though bear in mind that most people who need to will already be using their own software in order to have reached it. Still, a good idea nevertheless, and perhaps it would be a bit of fun, too, for visitors to play around with, including sighted ones.

With regard to AI in general, I think it's actually quite amazing what it can do, and we're presumably only at the very beginning of its development. A few weeks ago I asked ChatGPT to write a short synopsis of a story I had written. The result was a bit vague, and completely wrong in places, as if it had only skimmed through the file. So I then gave it the key plot points of the narrative, and it produced a very nice review, which I only had to slightly edit. I also asked it to translate a poem into Old English, and it did. I can't comment on its accuracy, though.

[attofishpi]

--atto quoting you interested in your take on AI --

Hi Maia, just interested in your thoughts regarding Artificial Intelligence, in particular narration when viewing websites. I don't think JAWS uses AI tech, in fact from what I saw it was last updated 2013 I think.


I think AI is the best thing since the internet. Narration is getting better all the time, can't say I have noticed much AI narration in what I view on utube as others have mentioned.

I'd like to use it eventually to give my entire website the option to be read in male/female voice with various accent options. It would mean for visually impaired people that they may not even need to rely on 3rd party software (such as JAWS).

I'd like to convert Alpha Two to audio book but not have to pay a human, or read it myself! - certainly, it doesn't quite have the emotional inflections to the voice required for reading fiction, but it's getting there.

I sometimes come across AI generated speech in YouTube documentaries, which, as you say, often puts the stress on the wrong word, or has unusual rhythms and pauses, and so on, which is why it's not generally used for producing audio books. I certainly prefer a real human voice for that, as do most people, I think.

It's an interesting idea to add features like that to your website, though bear in mind that most people who need to will already be using their own software in order to have reached it. Still, a good idea nevertheless, and perhaps it would be a bit of fun, too, for visitors to play around with, including sighted ones.

Yes, I'd imagine if I have sound coming out it would be conflicting to the sound you would already be hearing via the likes of JAWS (dooooda...dooooooda.....dooda dooda dooda dooda...CHOMP! sorry couldn't help myself!)

I will definitely try JAWS while implementing the code for it..see how it works.

With regard to AI in general, I think it's actually quite amazing what it can do, and we're presumably only at the very beginning of its development. A few weeks ago I asked ChatGPT to write a short synopsis of a story I had written. The result was a bit vague, and completely wrong in places, as if it had only skimmed through the file. So I then gave it the key plot points of the narrative, and it produced a very nice review, which I only had to slightly edit. I also asked it to translate a poem into Old English, and it did. I can't comment on its accuracy, though.

Yes, is awesome. A graphic designer friend that does mainly self-publish books finds she can use it rather than contracting professional editors for the most part, one must still have a keen eye though.

Hope your book goes well, care to provide some of the synopsis?

[Maia]

Hi Maia, just interested in your thoughts regarding Artificial Intelligence, in particular narration when viewing websites. I don't think JAWS uses AI tech, in fact from what I saw it was last updated 2013 I think.


I think AI is the best thing since the internet. Narration is getting better all the time, can't say I have noticed much AI narration in what I view on utube as others have mentioned.

I'd like to use it eventually to give my entire website the option to be read in male/female voice with various accent options. It would mean for visually impaired people that they may not even need to rely on 3rd party software (such as JAWS).

I'd like to convert Alpha Two to audio book but not have to pay a human, or read it myself! - certainly, it doesn't quite have the emotional inflections to the voice required for reading fiction, but it's getting there.

I sometimes come across AI generated speech in YouTube documentaries, which, as you say, often puts the stress on the wrong word, or has unusual rhythms and pauses, and so on, which is why it's not generally used for producing audio books. I certainly prefer a real human voice for that, as do most people, I think.

It's an interesting idea to add features like that to your website, though bear in mind that most people who need to will already be using their own software in order to have reached it. Still, a good idea nevertheless, and perhaps it would be a bit of fun, too, for visitors to play around with, including sighted ones.

Yes, I'd imagine if I have sound coming out it would be conflicting to the sound you would already be hearing via the likes of JAWS (dooooda...dooooooda.....dooda dooda dooda dooda...CHOMP! sorry couldn't help myself!)

I will definitely try JAWS while implementing the code for it..see how it works.

With regard to AI in general, I think it's actually quite amazing what it can do, and we're presumably only at the very beginning of its development. A few weeks ago I asked ChatGPT to write a short synopsis of a story I had written. The result was a bit vague, and completely wrong in places, as if it had only skimmed through the file. So I then gave it the key plot points of the narrative, and it produced a very nice review, which I only had to slightly edit. I also asked it to translate a poem into Old English, and it did. I can't comment on its accuracy, though.

Yes, is awesome. A graphic designer friend that does mainly self-publish books finds she can use it rather than contracting professional editors for the most part, one must still have a keen eye though.

Hope your book goes well, care to provide some of the synopsis?

On the other hand, it would be something for visitors to sink their teeth into, rather than just floundering around, treading water.

The story in question was an attempt at young adult fantasy, which I've been considering expanding to novel length, though haven't started on that. yet. The original story had a group of teenagers who encounter an elf, lost in the forest, and they have to help her find her way home. Over the course of the story it transpires that in her underground realm time goes much slower than on the surface, and she's really thousands of years old, though still, in fact, a teenager, in her own terms. This causes problems when she falls in love with the other main character, and they have to decide what do do, or if they can ever be together. There are also people pursuing them, to find out her secret.

[attofishpi]

I sometimes come across AI generated speech in YouTube documentaries, which, as you say, often puts the stress on the wrong word, or has unusual rhythms and pauses, and so on, which is why it's not generally used for producing audio books. I certainly prefer a real human voice for that, as do most people, I think.

It's an interesting idea to add features like that to your website, though bear in mind that most people who need to will already be using their own software in order to have reached it. Still, a good idea nevertheless, and perhaps it would be a bit of fun, too, for visitors to play around with, including sighted ones.

Yes, I'd imagine if I have sound coming out it would be conflicting to the sound you would already be hearing via the likes of JAWS (dooooda...dooooooda.....dooda dooda dooda dooda...CHOMP! sorry couldn't help myself!)

I will definitely try JAWS while implementing the code for it..see how it works.

With regard to AI in general, I think it's actually quite amazing what it can do, and we're presumably only at the very beginning of its development. A few weeks ago I asked ChatGPT to write a short synopsis of a story I had written. The result was a bit vague, and completely wrong in places, as if it had only skimmed through the file. So I then gave it the key plot points of the narrative, and it produced a very nice review, which I only had to slightly edit. I also asked it to translate a poem into Old English, and it did. I can't comment on its accuracy, though.

Yes, is awesome. A graphic designer friend that does mainly self-publish books finds she can use it rather than contracting professional editors for the most part, one must still have a keen eye though.

Hope your book goes well, care to provide some of the synopsis?

On the other hand, it would be something for visitors to sink their teeth into, rather than just floundering around, treading water.

Haha!!

The story in question was an attempt at young adult fantasy, which I've been considering expanding to novel length, though haven't started on that. yet. The original story had a group of teenagers who encounter an elf, lost in the forest, and they have to help her find her way home. Over the course of the story it transpires that in her underground realm time goes much slower than on the surface, and she's really thousands of years old, though still, in fact, a teenager, in her own terms. This causes problems when she falls in love with the other main character, and they have to decide what do do, or if they can ever be together. There are also people pursuing them, to find out her secret.

I like the sound of it, make sure when you have pressed enough keys to render it complete you let me know where to get a copy.

[Maia]

Yes, I'd imagine if I have sound coming out it would be conflicting to the sound you would already be hearing via the likes of JAWS (dooooda...dooooooda.....dooda dooda dooda dooda...CHOMP! sorry couldn't help myself!)

I will definitely try JAWS while implementing the code for it..see how it works.




Yes, is awesome. A graphic designer friend that does mainly self-publish books finds she can use it rather than contracting professional editors for the most part, one must still have a keen eye though.

Hope your book goes well, care to provide some of the synopsis?

On the other hand, it would be something for visitors to sink their teeth into, rather than just floundering around, treading water.

Haha!!

The story in question was an attempt at young adult fantasy, which I've been considering expanding to novel length, though haven't started on that. yet. The original story had a group of teenagers who encounter an elf, lost in the forest, and they have to help her find her way home. Over the course of the story it transpires that in her underground realm time goes much slower than on the surface, and she's really thousands of years old, though still, in fact, a teenager, in her own terms. This causes problems when she falls in love with the other main character, and they have to decide what do do, or if they can ever be together. There are also people pursuing them, to find out her secret.

I like the sound of it, make sure when you have pressed enough keys to render it complete you let me know where to get a copy.

Definitely!