Free Will

[Dubious]

I'll get back to you in 4 or 5 days...if you still want me to. Something's come up and right now I can't concentrate on anything else except that. Most surprises are never good!

[Flannel Jesus]

Most surprises are never good!

But they are sometimes always good.

[Age]

Most surprises are never good!

But they are sometimes always good.

Especially when one keeps learning from them.

And, absolutely each and every learning is 'good', right?

[Flannel Jesus]

Most surprises are never good!

But they are sometimes always good.

Especially when one keeps learning from them.

And, absolutely each and every learning is 'good', right?

Sometimes never but always sometimes.

[Age]

My God IC...even the Bible speaks of the Non-dual God many times...here's an expample:

Ephesians 4:6

One God and Father of all, who is over everything, through everything, and in everything

Whoops. You took it out of context. Ephesians 4 is talking about the confession of Christians about who their Father is. But it goes on to identify their common Saviour as Christ (4, 5, 11, 15-16), and the basis of their unity the Spirit of God (3-4, 30). So it's trinitarianism again.

LOL Which are all said to be One "Immanuel can".

So, what 'we' have here is another prime example of taking things out of context, through misinterpretation/s. Which "Immanuel can" has proven over and over again that it is an expert at this.

LOL "Immanuel can" even after all of these years, still, believes, absolutely, that God is a male gendered being and entity. Which could not be more False and more Wrong.

See what happens, and all to frequently, with human beings like the one here known as "Immanuel can" is they will 'hear' or 'see' some thing/s, and then just believe they are (absolutely) true based off of absolutely nothing else but a pre-existing belief only, which has just come from an Assumption from a Previous Experience only.

This is just pure APE thinking, which was what was done in those very 'olden days', when this was being written, and which was what led those human beings back then so far astray.

[Age]

But they are sometimes always good.

Especially when one keeps learning from them.

And, absolutely each and every learning is 'good', right?

Sometimes never but always sometimes.

Will you provide examples of when sometimes learning is, supposedly, never 'good'?

If no, then why not?

[Age]

Hmmm...you don't understand the Christian view on that, it would seem. Christ existed before He was incarnate. Look it up...it's what the Bible says was the case...John 1:1, and 17:5, for example.

Sure, Christ existed as a man prior to "going in" - my point remains, there was a cause to his incarnation as Jesus via Mary's womb.

That's only to say there was a "cause" of the process called "the Incarnation." It's not at all to say that Christ Himself had a "cause."

What are the words 'Christ Himself' even meaning, and referring to, exactly, which could be construed as not saying that 'it' had a 'cause'.

That would be like saying and claiming that "immanuel can" did not have a 'cause'. As though "Immanuel can" is and was an eternal Creator of "its" eternal 'self'.

[Age]

...he formed from the pantheistic matter that is God.

A pantheistic "god" couldn't even exist. "Existence" would be an impossible concept, then.

Why do you believe that both of these are absolutely true?

Not that you would ever clarify, because you know, internally, that if you did, then you would end up just contradicting "your" 'self'.

[Flannel Jesus]

Especially when one keeps learning from them.

And, absolutely each and every learning is 'good', right?

Sometimes never but always sometimes.

Will you provide examples of when sometimes learning is, supposedly, never 'good'?

If no, then why not?

Sometimes

[Age]

My point wasn’t at all ad hom. It was what you verifiably did. I merely pointed out that it had nothing to do with the truth or falsehood of the propositions we had been discussing, and was evidently an obscurantist tactic rather than an attempt to grapple with the ideas. That’s the problem with ad homs.

You were never open to ideas, only to your beliefs. To be open to ideas, it's precisely the beliefs which must be questioned. For someone like you, whose beliefs have long merged into fact such an analysis is impossible.

Well, there's another way of looking at that: and that is, that person with weak, malformed ideas is very likely to find somebody with better ideas "not open" to what they have to offer.

Good thing, too.

LOL This one actually believes that a completely non-open belief that God, Itself, is actually male gendered, just like "Immanuel can" is, is a 'better idea', and a reason, but really 'an excuse', to not be open to absolutely any contrary idea at all.

"Immanuel can" is living proof why it is much, much better to never have any belief, and to remain open always.

Imagine what it would be like actually believing that God is absolutely 'a male', and not being open to anything else opposing your belief?

For absolutely anyone else just the thought of God, a said Creator of all, was a male gendered being, entity, or person is beyond absolute absurdism, but here 'we' are watching, very clearly, what happens to human beings when they have and hold onto 'a belief'.

[Age]

Sometimes never but always sometimes.

Will you provide examples of when sometimes learning is, supposedly, never 'good'?

If no, then why not?

Sometimes

So, again, 'we' have another who claims that it will, but actually it never does.

And again, this is because if they even just attempted to, then they would end up contradicting "their" 'self'.

[attofishpi]

I'll get back to you in 4 or 5 days...if you still want me to. Something's come up and right now I can't concentrate on anything else except that. Most surprises are never good!

Hey, no hurry - I think the forum should exist well beyond that and I'm still intending hanging around for at least a billion years.

All seriousness though clearly it's a troubling time and I hope things sort out in the best possible way..

[attofishpi]

Will you provide examples of when sometimes learning is, supposedly, never 'good'?

If no, then why not?

Sometimes

So, again, 'we' have another who claims that it will, but actually it never does.

And again, this is because if they even just attempted to, then they would end up contradicting "their" 'self'.

Ooo! Ooo!

I've got one---when you learn that you're about to die from cancer.

[Age]

If you believe in “caused gods,” then you’ll have to answer that one. I can’t, because I don’t believe God WAS “caused.”

You believe Jesus was God right?

Certainly something caused Him to be within Mary's womb or no?

Hmmm...you don't understand the Christian view on that, it would seem. Christ existed before He was incarnate. Look it up...it's what the Bible says was the case...John 1:1,

This refers to 'in the beginning'. 'Beginning' implies 'a start', which of course was 'a cause' in and of itself, of which is what the word 'incarnate' refers to, in relation to being 'caused' from something else.

By the way when you are, also, able to read the bible, and the verses within the bible, from the True perspective, as well, then you will not keep bring forth your own misinterpreted versions, which, by the way, you continually are not able to back up and support.

and 17:5, for example.

So, before the adult human beings created 'greedy and selfish world', then 'glorify', show and present, 'me', a child, as 'all children' really are, with the 'glory' a child has with its parents, before the 'sinful world' and that way of life and living begun. Which 'the, or that, world' was obviously 'caused' by 'ill' or 'ill-gotten' adult human beings.

you really do need to stop believing that 'your views and interpretations' are actually the only true and right ones here "Immanuel can". If you did, then you would not be so Wrong and mistaken here.

[Age]

You believe Jesus was God right?

Certainly something caused Him to be within Mary's womb or no?

Hmmm...you don't understand the Christian view on that, it would seem. Christ existed before He was incarnate. Look it up...it's what the Bible says was the case...John 1:1, and 17:5, for example.

Sure, Christ existed as a man prior to "going in" - my point remains, there was a cause to his incarnation as Jesus via Mary's womb.

Obviously all 'matter', no matter in what way, shape, or form that it is in, 'was caused', by a previous moment, eternally. No one can refute this. So, how and why "Immanuel can" is trying so desperately to ignore this obvious fact, especially when it is "immanuel can" who believes, absolutely, that 'that one' existed in human 'matter' form, just shows and proves how much these people would 'trip' "themselves" up when they hold onto 'beliefs', which are not absolutely True, Right, Accurate, and Correct.