Age wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:39 pm
Okay, 'this' is what 'you' 'think', but there is not much here that 'we' do see, and agree, upon.
That I can agree upon.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:55 pm
Human being are fallible.
At least 'we' agree on 'this'.
We're on a roll.
When you say here, 'are no longer used', in what 'period' are 'you' referring to, exactly?
I am speaking of the present. My present is year 2024. 'Pedophile', for example, stopped having the old neutral to positive sense it had earlier in the mid 1900s.
Also, what is/are 'the meaning/s', exactly, which you are claiming, and believing, that I have 'brought back' here?
I think you will remember the interaction with attophishi where you referred to him as a pedophile and he reacted negatively. You referred to it as meaning something along the lines of merely someone who loves children. He and people in the time this is being written no longer use it in that sense.
Once, and if ever, this is 'clarified', then, and only then, 'we', again, will have some thing to 'look at', and 'discuss'. But, until then there is, relatively, nothing to even 'look at', and 'discuss' here.
That's only because you never seem to remember earlier events. This leads to other people having to remind you of everything. IOW to answer the questions, often before you will answer questions, means having to remind you of things you have experienced and/or done. So, what happens is, often, someone asks you a clarifying question. This leads to you asking them a number, often a lot, of clarifying questions before you can answer or will answer. I have experienced this as potentially never getting the answer to that first question, despite giving dozens of clarifying answers, to help you to answer that first question.
Which means that other people end up answering many clarifying questions in the hope of getting an answer to their original question or clarifying question. Answering clarifying questions in dialogue with you can easily lead to more clarifying questions, since we tend to answer with words, and then each word can lead to a new clarifying questions; one can begin to wonder if one will be clarifying, reminding, explaining for unbelievably long periods of time before getting one's original question answered. Moreover, even finally getting that answer is not at all certain.
I experienced this a few times myself, back in the days when I was more patient with you and more willing to clarify and explain. Sometimes the process, after the investment of quite a bit of time and energy on my part, would meet a dead end, when you would say that you were not going to give the answer. Once it was just not the right time, according to you, for that information to come out - which could have been pointed out much earlier. Once you decided what my motives were and did not approve of them and so stopped a process after quite an investment of time on my part. There were other instances where after clarifying and clarifying it never got around to you clarifying that first thing.
So, I lost interest.
Here, you used an outdated use of a word, pedophile. You could of course have adapted to current usage, but instead of, upon finding out or perhaps already knowing, that the word when labeling someone who is not a pedophile according to current and actually quite long standing usage, you opted to defend your use and even condescend to the person who did not like that label.
Now you want to play around with
devious.
You claimed you wanted to learn how to communcate better. Well, if it is people at the time this is being written you want to learn how to communicate with better, perhaps you'll consider adjusting your language use to the time and also being respectful in that language. If you are trying to learn how to communicate better with someone else, then you don't really understand how to get better at communicating.
The above could have been clearer. There are several patterns here.
Using words with outdated meanings.
The gauntlet of clarifying questions that we need to answer before, often, you can answer, if you ever do, our question.
A kind of stubborness. You're going to use your word, for example, in an outdated way, even if it offends people.
One tip would be: if you would like to communicate better with people, start with the main meanings of words in the year 2024, especially if the modern meaning of a word you want to use is insulting.
Another: See if you yourself can take more responsibility to learn current usage, so that you can reduce the burden on others. I don't think you intend things to work out this way, but given that you don't seem to remember things that have happened or even that you have said, it means that others will end up doing a tremendous amount of clarifying, often, just to get one bit of clarification from you. In addition, you don't seem to recognize approximations: for example, you never ask 'Do you mean when I said____________?' In other words you join in the process of finding the past event or thing you said. Now perhaps you only can connect to exact quotes and if it is something close, you then have absolutely no memory of it. If so, there's not much you can do. It is a skill most people have to some degree and it seems to a higher degree than you do. Despite not being able to do anything in that case, you could recognize that because of this, communicating with you requires much more work than communicating with other people who can remember approximations and do know current usage of words. This might reduce the negative interpretations you put on people when they opt not to clarify. I know you think you don't do this, but in the current usage of English, you do.
You and I have disagreed about many things. I'm not sure you realize how much I have adjusted my communication, at times, to your specific needs, needs I don't encounter anywhere near this degree with other people.
I have also given you a lot of feedback in a neutral form, not just in my cranky responses to what I experience as your judgmental posts.
You may well have clarifying questions about the above. I would prefer not to answer those questions. It is interesting trying to explain what I experience with you, but only up to a point. The above is not intended to be negative or even critical but rather to be useful or at least to give you an idea of the patterns I and other experience.
If you want help with clarification, I would suggest talking to someone in your real face to face life, someone you can allow to look at your posts here, read the interactions and see if they can understand this post. Somehow who does not have the same approach to communication that you have.