How could Jesus be abandoned?

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

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godelian
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Re: How could Jesus be abandoned?

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promethean75 wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:12 pm "So, his name has effectively been blotted out."

Just a friendly reminder that such blasphemy is of the absolutely highest order, and if u are wrong, you will suffer the swift blades of a thousand flaming swords encircling u as u die the second and final death in the eternally burning furnace of hell, u evil spawn of iblis! Be gone foul disbeliever!

No just kidding I'm an atheist.
The Muslims refuse to use the designation "Jeshu". Islamic doctrine prefers to use the neutral designation "Isa". This practice was inherited by Islam from the Ebionites, i.e. the original congregation of the poor.

In fact, the Ebionite Gospel contains the real name of Christ.

The only ones who have access to the real name of Christ, are the guardians of the Vatican's secret archives which has a copy of the Ebionite Gospel.

The Holy Apostolic Church is the only institution on earth that knows the full truth about Christ. They have always jealously guarded their secrets. The other churches know nothing. They are fake.

There are good reasons why prophet Muhammad refused to mention Christ's real name in the Quran. It has something to do with the second coming of Christ. Prophet Muhammad was under strict orders from Allah not ever to mention this secret in the Quran.
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Scientists now say the Shroud of Turin is old enough to be real, and AI confirms what the portraits of Christ show.

Is this enough scientific evidence to change belief?
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(continued) The scientific validity of AI’s Jesus CGI can more than piggyback on the scientific legitimacy of Computer Climate Change Modeling, because the Shroud of Turin is now and then, whilst the future that CCCM predicts under the sanction of science is only a maybe.
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bahman wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:52 pm He said: "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?". How could He be abandoned if He and God are one!?
Maybe it was all an act. God gets up on a cross and pretends to suffer like a human being. Then the rest of us say to ourselves, "what a kind and wonderful God you are." Mission accomplished. Now what?
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:31 am
bahman wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:52 pm He said: "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?". How could He be abandoned if He and God are one!?
Maybe it was all an act. God gets up on a cross and pretends to suffer like a human being. Then the rest of us say to ourselves, "what a kind and wonderful God you are." Mission accomplished. Now what?
What if as a human being you could choose to be a (wonderful human) as preferred to not being a wonderful being. What would you prefer?
Be that. It’s your choice.
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Fairy wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:36 am
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:31 am
bahman wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:52 pm He said: "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?". How could He be abandoned if He and God are one!?
Maybe it was all an act. God gets up on a cross and pretends to suffer like a human being. Then the rest of us say to ourselves, "what a kind and wonderful God you are." Mission accomplished. Now what?
What if as a human being you could choose to be a (wonderful human) as preferred to not being a wonderful being. What would you prefer?
Be that. It’s your choice.
All other things equal, I would prefer to be a wonderful human.
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Re: How could Jesus be abandoned?

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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:33 am
Fairy wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:36 am
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:31 am

Maybe it was all an act. God gets up on a cross and pretends to suffer like a human being. Then the rest of us say to ourselves, "what a kind and wonderful God you are." Mission accomplished. Now what?
What if as a human being you could choose to be a (wonderful human) as preferred to not being a wonderful being. What would you prefer?
Be that. It’s your choice.
All other things equal, I would prefer to be a wonderful human.
If you could choose to be a wonderful human being, then that's what you will be, you have chosen that character.

As a wonderful human being there should be no "cross to bear" no suffering to endure.

Every human can choose to be a wonderful human being, and will be the end of suffering for all.

If someone does happen to fall victim to a perpetrator, then they are unfortunately at the mercy of someone else's bad choices, which inevitably brings about awful and ill consequences. In this scenario, the victim is not to blame. There is no victim without a perpetrator and vice versa. That's the inevitable consequences of what it means to know the causes and effects of human free will.

The Human mind is what creates either, or, a state of heaven or hell. Outside of which, there remains absolutely and totally a state of pure indifference. But, to know the concept of 'indifference', you also have to know 'difference'
But all things being equal, any difference is seen as illusory. It takes a lot of mental mastery to figure out that any 'difference' is illusory, and that there is only the same 'One Consciousness' looking out of ever single human and animal's face. Not separate consciousnesses, but one, the same one, not different ones.

Immoral or moral people are different characters. But there is another choice, we can all choose indifference, which is the highest form of Love, it's called unconditional Love, it's totally indifferent to feeble human choices, it's all allowing and all accepting.

Where there's difference, there will always be conflict, and suffering. It's ultimately our choice, to choose wisely.
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Remember also that Jesus was/is still a symbolic representation of innocence. He was both the lamb and the lion. He was born of innocence and later returned with a sword.

"This" is as innocent as a baby.
Regret, shame, judgment and guilt towards yourself is like chastising a baby for not being born differently. It's on behalf of a "past baby" that should have been born better.

Or like a character in a novel you're writing.
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