Brains in a Vat

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Age wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:20 am So, do you believe that you can respond to anyone's posts, in any way you like, but if someone else questions or challenges you over the way you respond, you do not have to elaborate, clarify, nor back up and support 'your post' in any way at all?
Can I? Have to? You really don't know the answer to that? Of course, I can, and of course I don't have to. However you think there is a universal pattern, whereas there is one I have arrived at in relation to you.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:43 pm Of course, it would be fine to engage with an older post, but given your problematic communication/attitudes and lack of understanding of context cues, it's a waste of time.
Yet here you are, continually, supposedly 'wasting your time', responding to my posts, here.
Continually writing about the simulation hyposthesis with you and my use of words about it? Nah. I think 'continually' is exaggerated, but what I've been doing in this thread in relation to you, hasn't been focusing on the topic of an old post, but rather on your idiotic behavior.
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:22 pm Do you think scientists will ever come up with artificial reality to the extent that a person would not be able to tell they are in an artificial reality and would mistakenly think they are in reality? And if so, is it possible that we are living in an artificial reality now and don't realize it?
Yes, we are trapped in our separate universes so-called Vats.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:04 am
Age wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:20 am So, do you believe that you can respond to anyone's posts, in any way you like, but if someone else questions or challenges you over the way you respond, you do not have to elaborate, clarify, nor back up and support 'your post' in any way at all?
Can I? Have to? You really don't know the answer to that? Of course, I can, and of course I don't have to. However you think there is a universal pattern, whereas there is one I have arrived at in relation to you.
So once again, this one does not just answer and clarify the actual open clarifying question posed, and asked, to it, but, instead, will try to deflect and try to deceive the readers here.
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:04 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:43 pm Of course, it would be fine to engage with an older post, but given your problematic communication/attitudes and lack of understanding of context cues, it's a waste of time.
Yet here you are, continually, supposedly 'wasting your time', responding to my posts, here.
Continually writing about the simulation hyposthesis with you and my use of words about it? Nah. I think 'continually' is exaggerated, but what I've been doing in this thread in relation to you, hasn't been focusing on the topic of an old post, but rather on your idiotic behavior.
Just about every thread where you are, continually, responding 'to my posts' you have been 'focusing', very strongly, on what you perceive is 'my idiotic behavior'.

And, towards an obsessive compulsive degree, it could be added.
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bahman wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:37 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:22 pm Do you think scientists will ever come up with artificial reality to the extent that a person would not be able to tell they are in an artificial reality and would mistakenly think they are in reality? And if so, is it possible that we are living in an artificial reality now and don't realize it?
Yes, we are trapped in our separate universes so-called Vats.
So, why are you adult human beings trapped in those very 'tiny perspective' and 'little worlds'?

When, and if, you, also, find out why, then you, too, can and will not be trapped and will become OPEN to the One and only infinite and eternal Universe, as well.
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Age wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:20 am So, do you believe that you can respond to anyone's posts, in any way you like, but if someone else questions or challenges you over the way you respond, you do not have to elaborate, clarify, nor back up and support 'your post' in any way at all?
Can I? Have to? You really don't know the answer to that? Of course, I can, and of course I don't have to. However you think there is a universal pattern, whereas there is one I have arrived at in relation to you.
So once again, this one does not just answer
It's right there in the text you quoted. I bolded and enlarged it.
and clarify the actual open clarifying question posed, and asked, to it, but, instead, will try to deflect and try to deceive the readers here.
I also pointed out that you universalize the way I behave based on how I behave with you.
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:04 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:43 pm Of course, it would be fine to engage with an older post, but given your problematic communication/attitudes and lack of understanding of context cues, it's a waste of time.
Yet here you are, continually, supposedly 'wasting your time', responding to my posts, here.
Continually writing about the simulation hyposthesis with you and my use of words about it? Nah. I think 'continually' is exaggerated, but what I've been doing in this thread in relation to you, hasn't been focusing on the topic of an old post, but rather on your idiotic behavior.
Just about every thread where you are, continually, responding 'to my posts' you have been 'focusing', very strongly, on what you perceive is 'my idiotic behavior'.
That has become the pattern. I certainly tried a number of other approaches to interacting with you. But yes, I see a lot of stupid behavior and I am not going to pretend it's not there anymore in the content of my responses.
And, towards an obsessive compulsive degree, it could be added.
What a lack of noticing yourself you just exhibited. If my behavior is obsessive compulsive, what do your, generally longer posts, indicate about you?
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When posts are not quoted properly, and Correctly, it makes responding to them harder than it needs to be.

But, you have still not yet explained how you define the "philosopher" word, and what actual difference that would make between any other one.
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bahman wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:37 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:22 pm Do you think scientists will ever come up with artificial reality to the extent that a person would not be able to tell they are in an artificial reality and would mistakenly think they are in reality? And if so, is it possible that we are living in an artificial reality now and don't realize it?
Yes, we are trapped in our separate universes so-called Vats.
Is there any escape from this trap, do you know?

It seems that life is all we can know for certain, so the idea of life after death, seems absurd, as we've never known death. I'd say, there is only life after life, infinitely for eternity.
It may well appear we are trapped here in this aliveness, with no way to escape it.
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Age wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:55 am When posts are not quoted properly, and Correctly, it makes responding to them harder than it needs to be.
Apologies for the poor quoting. I have now fixed that.
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Age wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:25 am
bahman wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:37 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:22 pm Do you think scientists will ever come up with artificial reality to the extent that a person would not be able to tell they are in an artificial reality and would mistakenly think they are in reality? And if so, is it possible that we are living in an artificial reality now and don't realize it?
Yes, we are trapped in our separate universes so-called Vats.
So, why are you adult human beings trapped in those very 'tiny perspective' and 'little worlds'?

When, and if, you, also, find out why, then you, too, can and will not be trapped and will become OPEN to the One and only infinite and eternal Universe, as well.
I believe in a higher Mind who lives in a multiverse.
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Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:37 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:22 pm Do you think scientists will ever come up with artificial reality to the extent that a person would not be able to tell they are in an artificial reality and would mistakenly think they are in reality? And if so, is it possible that we are living in an artificial reality now and don't realize it?
Yes, we are trapped in our separate universes so-called Vats.
Is there any escape from this trap, do you know?
There is no way to escape while you are trapped in your physical body since the size of the trap is infinite. By meditation, you can however observe this vast universe. LSD also does the job.
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm It seems that life is all we can know for certain, so the idea of life after death, seems absurd, as we've never known death. I'd say, there is only life after life, infinitely for eternity.
I don't think so. There is a life after death. Your mind simply is a changeless substance therefore it is immortal.
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm It may well appear we are trapped here in this aliveness, with no way to escape it.
Yes.
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bahman wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:40 pm
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:37 pm
Yes, we are trapped in our separate universes so-called Vats.
Is there any escape from this trap, do you know?
There is no way to escape while you are trapped in your physical body since the size of the trap is infinite. By meditation, you can however observe this vast universe. LSD also does the job.
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm It seems that life is all we can know for certain, so the idea of life after death, seems absurd, as we've never known death. I'd say, there is only life after life, infinitely for eternity.
I don't think so. There is a life after death. Your mind simply is a changeless substance therefore it is immortal.
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm It may well appear we are trapped here in this aliveness, with no way to escape it.
Yes.
There can only be the death of the ego, not you.
Life after the death of the illusory but seemingly real ego, equals eternal life.

Life after death, is the entrance into eternal life, life after life after life after life.

You have never known death.
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Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:26 pm
bahman wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:40 pm
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm
Is there any escape from this trap, do you know?
There is no way to escape while you are trapped in your physical body since the size of the trap is infinite. By meditation, you can however observe this vast universe. LSD also does the job.
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm It seems that life is all we can know for certain, so the idea of life after death, seems absurd, as we've never known death. I'd say, there is only life after life, infinitely for eternity.
I don't think so. There is a life after death. Your mind simply is a changeless substance therefore it is immortal.
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm It may well appear we are trapped here in this aliveness, with no way to escape it.
Yes.
There can only be the death of the ego, not you.
Are you talking about ego death?
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:26 pm Life after the death of the illusory but seemingly real ego, equals eternal life.

Life after death, is the entrance into eternal life, life after life after life after life.
Yes, if you are trapped in the Cycle of Karma.
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:26 pm You have never known death.
I know what death is.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 2:18 pm
Age wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:55 am When posts are not quoted properly, and Correctly, it makes responding to them harder than it needs to be.
Apologies for the poor quoting. I have now fixed that.
Okay, and thank you.
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bahman wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:27 pm
Age wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:25 am
bahman wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:37 pm
Yes, we are trapped in our separate universes so-called Vats.
So, why are you adult human beings trapped in those very 'tiny perspective' and 'little worlds'?

When, and if, you, also, find out why, then you, too, can and will not be trapped and will become OPEN to the One and only infinite and eternal Universe, as well.
I believe in a higher Mind who lives in a multiverse.
Okay. But who cares what you just believe is true.

What is actually irrefutably True has far more importance, well to me anyway.

Now, what is a so-called 'lower Mind' and a so-called 'higher Mind', exactly, to you?

And, what even is a so-called 'multiverse', exactly?

Now, considering the Fact that you will not be able to answer, clarify, and explain here, in a Truly satisfactory way, why do you believe what do here is true?
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Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:37 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:22 pm Do you think scientists will ever come up with artificial reality to the extent that a person would not be able to tell they are in an artificial reality and would mistakenly think they are in reality? And if so, is it possible that we are living in an artificial reality now and don't realize it?
Yes, we are trapped in our separate universes so-called Vats.
Is there any escape from this trap, do you know?
Yes I do.
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm It seems that life is all we can know for certain, so the idea of life after death, seems absurd, as we've never known death.
Only the misinterpretation of the term or phrase, 'life after death', is what is Truly absurd.

When the phrase or term, 'life after death', is interpreted as meaning something like, after one human beings own life, then there is some other 'type of life', then this is just, obviously, absolutely and irrefutably absurd.

However, when the phrase or term, life after death, is interpreted, as it was intended and once meant, that is; after 'this way of life, or living' has ended, then a 'much better way of life, and living', can begin. Which, literally, means when you adult human beings 'end' 'this greedy and selfish way of life, and living', then the 'always intended' and 'wanted and desired way of life, and living' by all can and will 'begin'.

Again, if absolutely any one disagrees and has enough interest and curiosity here, then let 'us' have a Truly open and honest and peaceful discussion here.
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm I'd say, there is only life after life, infinitely for eternity.
Well considering there is only this One and only Life, which within there are different definitions of 'life', then there, really, is, theoretically and physically, this One and only 'Life', from which there are 'personal lives', 'ways of living', or different 'ways of life', and 'things alive', with 'different lifes', then as you, clumsily put it, there is only 'life after life'.

After all, absolutely nothing so-call 'dies', and all things are just always changing in 'way', 'shape', and 'form'.

And, again, if absolutely any one disagrees or has an interest in any of this, let 'us' discuss.

I know I can back up and support with prove that no one can refute here.
Fairy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:22 pm It may well appear we are trapped here in this aliveness, with no way to escape it.
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