"age" verses "quirk"

[Age]

where does this leave what the actual Truth is, exactly?

Hell if I know.

Can you prove, or at least back up and support in some way, what your view of things is here?

Not to your satisfaction, no.

Why is there, supposedly, 'no point', to you?

You're askin' me to describe red to a person who's been blind from birth.

Why are you believing this to be true?

And, why did you even begin to presume this, exactly?

I'm simply not capable of doin' that.

you are proving this to be absolutely True.

And, if there is 'no point', then why even respond and say things, from the outset, which you claim you, supposedly, already knew that others would not have a clue what you are talking about and that there was 'no point' in even elaborating on?

Yeah, that there is blue, age.

So, this one is absolutely completely and utterly unable to just elaborate on its claims.

Which is just further proof that you do not even know what you are talking about and claiming here.

Which fits in perfectly with just how hypocritical you, really, are, and just how contradictory your views and beliefs, really, are, as well.

[Age]

But why?

Why not?

What is 'it', exactly, that you spend time talking about, and thus want to get across here, to others?

In this thread? Hell if I know. This is your interrogation: I'm just the subject of it.

Yet it was you who suggested this thread.

In the forum (Warning! Incomprehensibility Ahead!): To insist I'm on Aslan's side even if there isn't any Aslan to lead it. I'm going to live as like a Narnian as I can even if there isn't any Narnia.

Why are you so confused here?

Am I?

Yes.

Then, please, show it, offer it, cite it.

you, actually, believe, absolutely, that shooting human beings and taking 'their own lives' does not contradict your belief that every one has an absolute claim, a natural right, to 'their own life'.

But, although I showed why you are confused here, you, really, cannot see 'it', can you?

[henry quirk]

Why are you believing this to be true? And, why did you even begin to presume this, exactly?

And now I'm supposed to describe green.

As I say...

I'm simply not capable of doin' that.

[henry quirk]

Yet it was you who suggested this thread.

Yes, but it's yours. You lead; I follow.

you, actually, believe, absolutely, that shooting human beings and taking 'their own lives' does not contradict your belief that every one has an absolute claim, a natural right, to 'their own life'.

I know, as fact, I have the right to defend life, liberty, and property (mine and others). If, in that defense, I have to kill, then I will. And if I do: it's not murder or theft.

You disagree. I'm okay with that. If someone comes for your life, liberty, and property, you can, as you like, offer them up freely. They're yours to do with as you will.

[Age]

Why are you believing this to be true? And, why did you even begin to presume this, exactly?

And now I'm supposed to describe green.

As I say...

I'm simply not capable of doin' that.

Well, when, and if, you ever come to be Truly open, honest, and curios about how to change your Wrong doing, then you will come to know why you believe that, and everything else, and also why you began to presume all of the things that you do, Right and Wrong, as well.

[Age]

Yet it was you who suggested this thread.

Yes, but it's yours. You lead; I follow.

Then, it could also be said, and argued, that you led, and I followed.

But, then again, it could also be asked; So what, and what does it matter?

you, actually, believe, absolutely, that shooting human beings and taking 'their own lives' does not contradict your belief that every one has an absolute claim, a natural right, to 'their own life'.

I know, as fact, I have the right to defend life, liberty, and property (mine and others).

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Now, if you believe absolutely, and 'as fact', that you have some, supposed, right to defend life, liberty, and property, then where did this 'supposed right' come from, exactly?

And, if you, still, cannot see the contradiction here, then I do not know what else any one could do to make you 'see'.

If, in that defense, I have to kill, then I will. And if I do: it's not murder or theft.

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Now you are getting way too far beyond a joke here "henry quirk".

What you are doing here is allowing that APE thinking of yours to block out and prevent the actual Truth of things from being seen, and understood.

you are allowing what you have learned, 'along the way', from your own personal experiences to distort what is objectively True, and Right, in Life.

You disagree. I'm okay with that.

Why are you okay when others disagree with your beliefs?

Do you know, deep down, that your belief here is contradictory, and Wrong?

Or, is there some other reason you are okay when others disagree with you?

If someone comes for your life, liberty, and property, you can, as you like, offer them up freely. They're yours to do with as you will.

And, you are absolutely free to kill children, over a toothpick or a moldy piece of bread, as well.

Why there are adults, like you, who would even want to do such a thing, although is already fully known by some of 'us' here, to quite a few others they really cannot, yet, understand why you are so greedy, selfish, completely lacking of empathy, and cruel.

But, when they also learn, and understand, how the Mind and the brain work, then they too will fully understand and know why you are, exactly, the way 'you are' "henry quirk".

[henry quirk]

what does it matter?

It doesn't.

Now, if you believe absolutely, and 'as fact', that you have some, supposed, right to defend life, liberty, and property, then where did this 'supposed right' come from, exactly?

I'm a deist, age: where do you think I believe personhood, and the natural rights that adhere to personhood, come from?

Why are you okay when others disagree with your beliefs?

If the other guy keeps his mitts off my life, liberty, and property, why should I care what he thinks?

[Age]

what does it matter?

It doesn't.

So, this means that there was absolutely no use saying and writing what you did here.

Now, if you believe absolutely, and 'as fact', that you have some, supposed, right to defend life, liberty, and property, then where did this 'supposed right' come from, exactly?

I'm a deist, age:

I do not care one iota who or what you very, very Falsely and Wrongly claim 'you' are, nor who or what 'I' am.

where do you think I believe personhood, and the natural rights that adhere to personhood, come from?

Once again, 'we' have another prime example of a human being who makes a claim, but when just questioned over its claim, for clarity sake, does not have the courage to just back up, support, and thus clarify 'its claim'.

So, 'where', exactly, the, supposed, so-called 'right' that "henry quirk" claims, and believes absolutely, 'it has' to shoot at human beings, with weapons that have the ability to instantly 'kill', for some so-called, made up, 'right to defend' "one's" 'self', which is included are toothpicks and moldy pieces of bread, this one will not inform any one here of, exactly.

Also, noticed, very clearly, the question it asked me, in response to my clarifying question, has absolutely nothing at all to with 'my question', and thus is just another attempt at deflection, and to try to deceive the readers, here.

So, what 'we' have here, once more, is another who fails, absolutely, in backing up and supporting 'their own claim', because in all honesty what this one is claiming here is absolutely unsupportable.

'Where', exactly, got this human made up so-called 'right to defend' from, was from its own very Wrong and distorted 'upbringing', only.

Wanting to shoot at human beings, with weapons 'built to kill', over toothpicks or moldy pieces of bread of all things, 'came from' a very misguiding, misleading, and abusive 'upbringing', hitherto, only, and certainly not from anywhere else.

And, 'trying to' 'justify' what is 'unjustifiable' as some 'god-given, or natural, right' is even further proof of just how 'abused' this one really was.

In fact this one has been 'so abused' that it 'now' actually believes, absolutely, that it has not stolen absolutely any thing in all of its own life time.

Why are you okay when others disagree with your beliefs?

If the other guy keeps his mitts off my life, liberty, and property, why should I care what he thinks?

I do not know. Have you forgotten that it was you who was informing 'us' of what you 'care about' and 'do not care about' here?

I just asked you a/nother clarifying question, in regards to what you claim here. But, if you just do not want to answer it, because maybe if you did, openly and honestly, then you would, again contradict or be inconsistent with what you have previously said, then so be it. No one is forcing you to be open and honest here, that is for sure. But, if you are not going to be open and honest here, then why do you come here and make the claims that you do?

Some of them are obviously absolutely False, Wrong, Inaccurate, Incorrect, inconsistent, and contradictory. And, you not opening up and being honest when questioned or challenged over them, is a sure sign that you know, deep down, how Wrong they, really, are.

[henry quirk]

Wasn't much to respond to. Certainly nuthin' of import. Try again. Throw more of them juicy questions in.

[Age]

Wasn't much to respond to. Certainly nuthin' of import. Try again. Throw more of them juicy questions in.

A True sign of the weak and scared. This one will not back up, support, and clarify its beliefs and claims because, supposedly, there was cnot much to respond to'.

it could not even come.up with a reasonable 'excuse' for not being able to just clarify here.

[henry quirk]

Weren't no questions here either.

Try harder, or: I'll have to imagine a proper interrogation, one where my interrogator is authentically noir.

[Age]

Weren't no questions here either.

Try harder, or: I'll have to imagine a proper interrogation, one where my interrogator is authentically noir.

Why do you believe, absolutely, that you can take another's own life, when at the same time you, supposedly, also believe that 'that one' has an 'absolute claim' and thus a 'natural right' for you not to take 'their own life'?

How can you believe two completely opposing things, at, supposedly, the exact same time?

And, how are you able to 'choose', and then put one belief over the other one, exactly?

What is the, exact, process that you use to allow 'one of your beliefs' to absolutely override 'another one of your beliefs', exactly?

[henry quirk]

Why do you believe, absolutely, that you can take another's own life, when at the same time you, supposedly, also believe that 'that one' has an 'absolute claim' and thus a 'natural right' for you not to take 'their own life'?

I believe if another is threatening my life, liberty, and property I have the right to defend my life, liberty, and property. And that defense includes the possibility of deadly force.

More generally: a person has an absolute moral claim to his, and no other's, life, liberty, and property. If one person (call him Joe) violates the life, liberty, and property of another (thru murder, slavery, rape, theft, fraud [and let's call him Stan]). Stsn has the right to defend his life, liberty, and property. Depending on how insistent Joe is, that defense might very well include Stan shooting Joe.

How can you believe two completely opposing things, at, supposedly, the exact same time?

Recognizing and respecting Joe's natural right to his own life, liberty, and property is not in conflict with Stan defending his own life, liberty, and property.

Simply: if Joe hadn't chosen to steal or defraud or rape or enslave or murder then Stan wouldn't have call to self-defend.

And, how are you able to 'choose', and then put one belief over the other one, exactly?

There's no choosing cuz there's no conflict. Stan has no say over Joe's life, liberty, and property and Joe has no say over Stan's life, liberty, and property. If Joe chooses to ignore Stan's natural right to his own life, liberty, and property and tries to take what's Stan's, Stan has the right to self-defend.

What is the, exact, process that you use to allow 'one of your beliefs' to absolutely override 'another one of your beliefs', exactly?

Just answered that.

[seeds]

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Forgive me for barging-in on this riveting debate taking place between you and Age,...
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