Was Hitler as bad as some make him out to be?

[promethean75]

The only uncool thing your homeboy Adolf did was incarcerate and/or murder jews and other dissidents. Total senseless waste of life. He shoulda simply locked em all up in nice labor camps with furnished apartments, had em make shit for the war effort and the german economy in general, and paid em a decent livable wage for doing so.

In two generations he coulda completely emptied the jew's head of judaism by burning all those ridiculous books and educating them properly from a young age.

Then everyone would be a nazi and they'd all get along.

[Iwannaplato]

What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

Is this something you are planning? [/quote]

Well this is one Truly absurd and idiotic thing to even begin to imagine or assume, let alone ask 'out aloud' in a public forum of all places. And, especially considering what I have actually been saying and writing in this forum.

Hm, no answer. Perhaps you're tone deaf about how that portion of your text sounds.

Would you kill millions or help to organize the killing of millions of people if you thought this would lead to a net reduction in human suffering?

'This one' has, again, managed, completely, to miss what I have actually meant and was pointing out.

I asked a question. Your questions left open people being better if the people they kill people who will end up doing bad things.

If someone drives somewhere to rape a baby and on the way accidently runs over a serial killer on the way to the rape, does this make the driver a better person?

To who?

To you. I asked you. I'd ask other people if I wanted to know their beliefs.

Notice how this one will not answer clarifying questions, but then, only at particular times, chooses to ask clarifying questions.

Notice the internal contradiction in this assertion..

Which is Truly funny, considering the actual questions it decides to ask. That is; the questions have absolutely nothing at all to do with what I was pointing out and showing.

I'm sure if there are other readers they will see where my questions are coming from and how they relate to what you wrote. I understand that you don't understand.

Would "adolf hitler" be as bad as some made him out to be?

Given the vast range of assessments different groups of 'some people' have made about Hitler, yes.

So, even if "adolf hitler" ended up killing one or more human beings, that it was found out later, who would have been far worse than "adolf hitler", "itself", 'this one' still believes that "adolf hitler" would have been so-called 'as bad' as some made it out to be, before those ones realized what "adolf hitler" had actually saved their children and grandchildren, for example, from, exactly.

Re-read my answer. You're confused.

Are you a consequentialist?

Obviously 'you', still, do not have any absolute clue nor idea as to who and what 'I' am, exactly.

Which is absolutely understandable considering that 'you' have never even tried to understand who nor what 'I' am, exactly.

If 'you' even has the slightest remote idea to who 'I' am, then 'you' would not have asked such a Truly nonsensical question as 'you' did here

. No answer.

Or, what if what if what "jesus christ" did was what has caused the wars, misery, damage, and destruction that is happening and occurring in 'the world', when this is being written.

Do you view this as hypothetical?

Why?

What you described in relation to Jesus Christ is how many people actually view the effects of his life and the religion formed around him. You seemed unaware of this, but I asked a question to see if you merely seemed that way.

Would it matter one iota?

If yes, then why, exactly?

What if what "jesus christ" did, has caused the Wrong in 'the world' 'today', when this is being written, would ...?

No answer to my question.

Would "jesus christ" be as 'good' as some make him out to be?

What group or individuals is 'some' referring to?

To any group, or individual, who claims "jesus christ" is 'good'?

The answer depends on which group. Different groups and sets of individuals will have different reactions.

Also, I will have to apologize for the misuse of one word twice here.

Apologize to whom? When will you apologize?

[Age]

What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

Is this something you are planning?

Well this is one Truly absurd and idiotic thing to even begin to imagine or assume, let alone ask 'out aloud' in a public forum of all places. And, especially considering what I have actually been saying and writing in this forum.

Hm, no answer. Perhaps you're tone deaf about how that portion of your text sounds.

If you, really, do want me to answer 'your' question above here, then you will, obviously, have to inform 'me' what the 'something' is, exactly, that you are even talking about and referring to, in 'that question'.

you really do have absolutely no clue nor idea that when a thought arises in 'that body' that if you do not specifically inform another of what 'that thought' actually is, then 'the other' does not know.

LOL Just 'look at' 'your question', and imagine if someone asked you the exact same thing. 'Is this something you are planning?'

Now, answer the question "iwannaplato".

Hm, 'no answer', as well.

Would you kill millions or help to organize the killing of millions of people if you thought this would lead to a net reduction in human suffering?

'This one' has, again, managed, completely, to miss what I have actually meant and was pointing out.

I asked a question. Your questions left open people being better if the people they kill people who will end up doing bad things.

Does 'your claim' here make sense, to you?

If no, then would you like to fix it up?

But, if it does make sense, to you, as it stands, then it does not, to me.

As I read it you have completely and utterly missed or misinterpreted what I was saying, and meaning.

If someone drives somewhere to rape a baby and on the way accidently runs over a serial killer on the way to the rape, does this make the driver a better person?

To who?

To you. I asked you. I'd ask other people if I wanted to know their beliefs.

But, if some thing happens accidentally, then if that make 'that person', who had an accident a 'better person', or not, is dependent upon 'them'.

However, if you are just asking if just 'having an accident' makes one a 'better person' from 'my perspective', then 'that question' is illogical and nonsensical.

'Accidents' and 'becoming better' or not do not necessarily correlate.

Notice how this one will not answer clarifying questions, but then, only at particular times, chooses to ask clarifying questions.

Notice the internal contradiction in this assertion..

I think you misunderstood, once more.

Which is Truly funny, considering the actual questions it decides to ask. That is; the questions have absolutely nothing at all to do with what I was pointing out and showing.

I'm sure if there are other readers they will see where my questions are coming from and how they relate to what you wrote. I understand that you don't understand.

you have just proven, once again, that what 'you assume', when you read 'my words', are completely and utterly False, Wrong, and Incorrect, and which then leads you to absolutely illogical conclusions.

If you, really, believe that what I was saying, and meaning, is that if some one 'accidentally' kills one who, if not killed, would have turned out to be like an "adolf hitler", and that this is where you are 'coming from' and that 'your question' relates 'to this', then you really do have absolutely no idea nor clue as to what I meant, in what I wrote.

For a self-professed "teacher" of the english language, you really do have an extremely hard time with comprehension skills regarding my writings here.

you, once again, could not be any further away from what I actually wrote, and meant, here.

Would "adolf hitler" be as bad as some made him out to be?

Given the vast range of assessments different groups of 'some people' have made about Hitler, yes.

So, even if "adolf hitler" ended up killing one or more human beings, that it was found out later, who would have been far worse than "adolf hitler", "itself", 'this one' still believes that "adolf hitler" would have been so-called 'as bad' as some made it out to be, before those ones realized what "adolf hitler" had actually saved their children and grandchildren, for example, from, exactly.

Re-read my answer. You're confused.[/quote]

So, again, this one believes that it just has to say, 'you are confused', to another, and that this is all that is needed.

I suggest you re-read my first posts, in every thread, seek out and obtain actual clarity/clarification before you respond, and then decide how to respond, exactly.

Are you a consequentialist?

Obviously 'you', still, do not have any absolute clue nor idea as to who and what 'I' am, exactly.

Which is absolutely understandable considering that 'you' have never even tried to understand who nor what 'I' am, exactly.

If 'you' even has the slightest remote idea to who 'I' am, then 'you' would not have asked such a Truly nonsensical question as 'you' did here

. No answer.

LOL Does 'this one' miss things, purposely, or absolutely unknowingly?

If a question to me is 'nonsensical', then OBVIOUSLY I am not going to answer it.

one would have to be an absolute fool and idiot to imagine that another would answer a nonsensical question.

Again, 'your question' is 'nonsensical', to me, "iwannaplato".

Or, what if what if what "jesus christ" did was what has caused the wars, misery, damage, and destruction that is happening and occurring in 'the world', when this is being written.

Do you view this as hypothetical?

Why?

What you described in relation to Jesus Christ is how many people actually view the effects of his life and the religion formed around him. You seemed unaware of this, but I asked a question to see if you merely seemed that way.

So, why be elusive and deceiving?

Why not just write, instead, some thing like, for example, you seem to think a 'certain way', is this 'the way' you are thinking here?

Then just WAIT. And then find out what the 'actual answer' is, exactly.

Asking things in a Truly complicated and/or 'convulated way' is not helping any one here.

Now, there are so many clarifying questions I could ask you here, like on just about every other occasion, 'with you, here.

So, are there really some people who view that it was only 'the theology' formed around one human being known as "jesus christ" that has caused the wars, misery, et cetera?

Would it matter one iota?

If yes, then why, exactly?

What if what "jesus christ" did, has caused the Wrong in 'the world' 'today', when this is being written, would ...?

No answer to my question.

Would "jesus christ" be as 'good' as some make him out to be?

What group or individuals is 'some' referring to?

To any group, or individual, who claims "jesus christ" is 'good'?

The answer depends on which group. Different groups and sets of individuals will have different reactions.

Very, very True.

So, it would have been much better if I was far clearer, and concise.

Also, I will have to apologize for the misuse of one word twice here.

Apologize to whom? When will you apologize?

you seem to not be able to follow 'common usage of words in the day when this is being written'.

When one says, 'I have to apologize for ...', this can mean that it has actually already been done.

So, the answer to your question is, already.

And, the answer to your other question here is every one who read that post.

[Iwannaplato]

What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

Is thissomething you are planning?

Well this is one Truly absurd and idiotic thing to even begin to imagine or assume, let alone ask 'out aloud' in a public forum of all places. And, especially considering what I have actually been saying and writing in this forum.

Hm, no answer. Perhaps you're tone deaf about how that portion of your text sounds.

If you, really, do want me to answer 'your' question above here, then you will, obviously, have to inform 'me' what the 'something' is, exactly, that you are even talking about and referring to, in 'that question'.

The only question in what you quoted was one that you clearly, given your response, thought you understood before, in your response to the post where I asked you. Perhaps you've forgotten your reponse there.

you really do have absolutely no clue nor idea that when a thought arises in 'that body' that if you do not specifically inform another of what 'that thought' actually is, then 'the other' does not know.

LOL Just 'look at' 'your question', and imagine if someone asked you the exact same thing. 'Is this something you are planning?'

Now, answer the question "iwannaplato".

No, that's not something I am planning (pretty easy to answer). But then I didn't say this....

What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

...which is very close to what modern nazis have said.

Hm, 'no answer', as well.

Oops. Wrong again.

[Age]

What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

Is thissomething you are planning?

Well this is one Truly absurd and idiotic thing to even begin to imagine or assume, let alone ask 'out aloud' in a public forum of all places. And, especially considering what I have actually been saying and writing in this forum.

Hm, no answer. Perhaps you're tone deaf about how that portion of your text sounds.

If you, really, do want me to answer 'your' question above here, then you will, obviously, have to inform 'me' what the 'something' is, exactly, that you are even talking about and referring to, in 'that question'.

The only question in what you quoted was one that you clearly, given your response, thought you understood before, in your response to the post where I asked you. Perhaps you've forgotten your reponse there.

And, perhaps you have forgotten what you thought that you thought that I thought in regards to that.

you really do have absolutely no clue nor idea that when a thought arises in 'that body' that if you do not specifically inform another of what 'that thought' actually is, then 'the other' does not know.

LOL Just 'look at' 'your question', and imagine if someone asked you the exact same thing. 'Is this something you are planning?'

Now, answer the question "iwannaplato".

No, that's not something I am planning (pretty easy to answer).

Perfect.

And that 'this one' has been doing 'this' throughout this forum it has absolutely no clue that it has been.

And, for anyone who would like to know what the 'this' word is referring to, then just ask me for clarification.

I would be more than happy to inform 'you', and the other readers here.

LOL If you only knew what had been happening and occurring here, and what you have been continually doing here "iwannaplato".

But then I didn't say this....

What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

...which is very close to what modern nazis have said.

Hm, 'no answer', as well.

Oops. Wrong again.

How could it be, supposedly, 'Wrong again'?

[Iwannaplato]

and I didn't say anything remotely like.....

What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

...which is very close to what modern nazis have said.

Nor did I express the view the unintended consequences can make one a better person.

So, I asked. My guess was you would deny you were planning such a thing. On the other hand, there's an ounce of prevention it getting people to take stands.

[Age]

and I didn't say anything remotely like.....

What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

...which is very close to what modern nazis have said.

Nor did I express the view the unintended consequences can make one a better person.

you asked some thing along the lines of if one accidentally kills another, then does that make the former a better person?

Which, again, has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I was saying, questioning, and pointing out.

So, what you asked was, once again, completely and utterly moot here. But, you really do have a very hard time keeping 'on track' here. But, this is, once again, because you completely and utterly miss and/or misinterpret so much of what I am actually saying and meaning here. And, again, this is because you always make up assumptions, which you then believe are true, before you even consider just asking an open clarifying question instead.

So, I asked. My guess was you would deny you were planning such a thing.

And, I asked you if you were planning such a thing. Which, you obviously have not answered.

Now, although you will believe that you have, and, you might even direct 'us' to where you provided 'an answer'. But, what you are, obviously, still, missing here, is the Fact that you are not answering the 'actual question' that I am asking about and referring to, exactly.

On the other hand, there's an ounce of prevention it getting people to take stands.

See, how often this one ends up getting so far 'off track' when it missed 'the mark', from the beginning?

[Iwannaplato]

Nor did I express the view the unintended consequences can make one a better person.

you asked some thing along the lines of if one accidentally kills another, then does that make the former a better person?

Which, again, has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I was saying, questioning, and pointing out.

You said...
What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

Would "adolf hitler" be as bad as some made him out to be?[/quote]Which is asking if unintended consequences of his actions led to him potentially being less bad as some made him out to be. That's related to what I asked/stated?

And, I asked you if you were planning such a thing. Which, you obviously have not answered.

I did...

No, that's not something I am planning (pretty easy to answer).

in an earlier post.
viewtopic.php?p=725480&sid=8234c5325824 ... 17#p725480

Again, you seem ignorant of how your writing in that post comes off. I asked you about it, which was perfectly reasonable.

[Age]

Nor did I express the view the unintended consequences can make one a better person.

you asked some thing along the lines of if one accidentally kills another, then does that make the former a better person?

Which, again, has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I was saying, questioning, and pointing out.

You said...
What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

Would "adolf hitler" be as bad as some made him out to be?

Which is asking if unintended consequences of his actions led to him potentially being less bad as some made him out to be. [/quote]

LOL
LOL
LOL

This could not be, once more, any further from the actual Truth of things here. That is; from what I actually said, and meant.

And, this, once again, can be proved absolutely True by the very words that I chose, and used, here,

Once again "iwannaplato" your assuming, which turns out to be far more Wrong and Incorrect than it ever does Right and Correct has led you so far off 'the track', that getting you back on the 'Right track' gets to be harder and harder the further you 'move along' here.

Once more, for the very slow of learning here. I suggest that you seek out and obtain actual clarity first, before you make absolutely any assumption, at all.

If you did, then that way you will not be so Wrong, so often as you clearly are here.

I could point out, even more than I have already, where, how, why, when, and what you have assumed Wrongly here, which led you to 'miss the mark' and 'head off down some winding track of spiraling despair', again, but no one has ever asked for any clarification here. So, I, like the other times, just allow you to wander off, on your own.

That's related to what I asked/stated?

And, I asked you if you were planning such a thing. Which, you obviously have not answered.

I did...

No, that's not something I am planning (pretty easy to answer).

in an earlier post.
viewtopic.php?p=725480&sid=8234c5325824 ... 17#p725480

Again, you seem ignorant of how your writing in that post comes off. I asked you about it, which was perfectly reasonable.

And, I asked you about it as well. you, obviously, have not yet answered it.

In fact, you, still, have absolutely no idea nor clue what I am actually doing 'with you' here, nor as to what 'you' are pointing out, showing, and revealing to the readers here.

But, please keep on continuing on how you have been here.

[Iwannaplato]

This could not be, once more, any further from the actual Truth of things here. That is; from what I actually said, and meant.

And, this, once again, can be proved absolutely True by the very words that I chose, and used, here,

Once again "iwannaplato" your assuming, which turns out to be far more Wrong and Incorrect than it ever does Right and Correct has led you so far off 'the track', that getting you back on the 'Right track' gets to be harder and harder the further you 'move along' here.

Once more, for the very slow of learning here. I suggest that you seek out and obtain actual clarity first, before you make absolutely any assumption, at all.

Wow. How dumb can you be?
Did I ask a question? Yes. Was that the first thing I did? Yes. Was that seeking out clarity? Yes.
Asking this question sent Age off into a tizzy of posts, filled with his assumptions and idiocy.
If he'd said, no, which seems to be his answer to that question, great. He would have gotten a little feedback about how his post would sound to some people, perhaps especially Jews. I would have gotten an answer and moved on.
What an idiot he is. Very, very touchy, this Age.

[Age]

This could not be, once more, any further from the actual Truth of things here. That is; from what I actually said, and meant.

And, this, once again, can be proved absolutely True by the very words that I chose, and used, here,

Once again "iwannaplato" your assuming, which turns out to be far more Wrong and Incorrect than it ever does Right and Correct has led you so far off 'the track', that getting you back on the 'Right track' gets to be harder and harder the further you 'move along' here.

Once more, for the very slow of learning here. I suggest that you seek out and obtain actual clarity first, before you make absolutely any assumption, at all.

Wow. How dumb can you be?
Did I ask a question? Yes. Was that the first thing I did? Yes. Was that seeking out clarity? Yes.
Asking this question sent Age off into a tizzy of posts, filled with his assumptions and idiocy.
If he'd said, no, which seems to be his answer to that question, great. He would have gotten a little feedback about how his post would sound to some people, perhaps especially Jews. I would have gotten an answer and moved on.
What an idiot he is. Very, very touchy, this Age.

LOL This one has, still, not work out what actually happened and occurred here.

[Iwannaplato]

LOL This one has, still, not work out what actually happened and occurred here.

Poor Age. He can't face that my first, simple response was to ask questions before assuming. And after pages of idiocy he gets around to suggesting I should have asked questions. What an idiot!

[Age]

LOL This one has, still, not work out what actually happened and occurred here.

Poor Age. He can't face that my first, simple response was to ask questions before assuming.

But what you, still, have not recognised is what actually did happen and occur here.

This one has yet to realise that its question was absolutely elusive.

See, once again, this one was not clear nor concise at all here in regards to what it was thinking, talking about, and referring to, exactly.

And, even when I pointed out.and showed this fact and thus the absurdity of its question here, it, still, could not work out, see, and comprehend here.

And after pages of idiocy he gets around to suggesting I should have asked questions. What an idiot!

Obviously, this one has completely and utterly missed what has actually happened and occurred here.

I also would not be surprised, at all, if it still is, as well.

Look, and listen, "iwannaplato".

Are you planning on doing it?

Please answer.

[Iwannaplato]

LOL This one has, still, not work out what actually happened and occurred here.

Poor Age. He can't face that my first, simple response was to ask questions before assuming.

But what you, still, have not recognised is what actually did happen and occur here.

This one has yet to realise that its question was absolutely elusive.

But, again, that's not how you reacted. You did not react to my question as if it was elusive.

Well this is one Truly absurd and idiotic thing to even begin to imagine or assume, let alone ask 'out aloud' in a public forum of all places. And, especially considering what I have actually been saying and writing in this forum.

viewtopic.php?p=725207&hilit=planning#p725207

Read that, idiotl Nowhere do you say elusive or anything remotely synonymous. In fact, you focus on the 'one truly idiotic thing' you assumed I assumed or imagined.

In fact every sentence in that post of mine was a question, except one - where I answered one of your questions!

You're being an idiot. Your first reaction to my question shows it was not elusive to you in the least.

But, I predict that you cannot admit this because it is too ego-dystonic.

What an idiot you are.

[Age]

Poor Age. He can't face that my first, simple response was to ask questions before assuming.

But what you, still, have not recognised is what actually did happen and occur here.

This one has yet to realise that its question was absolutely elusive.

But, again, that's not how you reacted. You did not react to my question as if it was elusive.

Well this is one Truly absurd and idiotic thing to even begin to imagine or assume, let alone ask 'out aloud' in a public forum of all places. And, especially considering what I have actually been saying and writing in this forum.

viewtopic.php?p=725207&hilit=planning#p725207

Read that, idiotl

Noticed is that the 'idiot' word has been far more frequently, now.

Nowhere do you say elusive or anything remotely synonymous.

I did not know that I had to directly point out, to you, what was absolutely obvious, to me.

In fact, you focus on the 'one truly idiotic thing' you assumed I assumed or imagined.

And, what was it, exactly, which I, supposedly, assumed that you assumed, or imagined?

In fact every sentence in that post of mine was a question, except one - where I answered one of your questions!

Okay.

You're being an idiot.

you have mentioned this quite a few times, now.

Your first reaction to my question shows it was not elusive to you in the least.

Really?

Is this an example of what you call 'good' 'mind reading'?

But, I predict that you cannot admit this because it is too ego-dystonic.

Okay.

But, do you have to, once again, inform you of just how elusive your writings are here?

What an idiot you are.

Well, at least, 'we' know, exactly, what 'you' think of 'me', right?

Also, have you ever considered by more succinct, clear, and concise here?

By the way that makes far more sense, and is even far more obvious, now that you have done what you have here, again.