10k Philosophy challenge

[Harbal]

God says it does. You say it doesn't. I say I'm with God on that.

If I ever find myself dwelling in the Kingdom of Heaven, which is highly unlikely if you are to be believed (although you usually aren't), I will abide by God's rules, but I am living on planet Earth right now, in the human world.

Here is another prime example of these ones, back then, believing in, and spreading, 'the misinterpretation', and not the actual Fact.

The so-called 'kingdom of heaven' is 'on earth', or wherever else 'we' end up living, in this One and only Universe. The 'kingdom of heaven' is not in some other imagined, magical, mystical, nor misinterpreted place. The 'kingdom of heaven' can only ever exist 'here' where, and while, 'we' are living.

And here is another prime example of your inability to interpret and understand other people.

[Age]

I mean, no. That's why I wrote a whole thing, because the context is necessary to understand the question. But I can give you it in a nutshell.

How does FC resolve conflicts between different persons that involve violations of different kinds of freedom? For example, how do we determine how many persons' sight we should save over one person's life?

Hope that helps.

Again, your example here is just Truly ridiculous and absurd in relation to how you human beings 'should' live your lives.

And, in what way/s would anyone ever have to ever choose the sight of some over one's life?

As I have said before, this seems an entirely plausible dilemma one might be faced with if they were faced with funding a drug that saves lives from a rare but potentially fatal disease and a drug that prevents blindness from a more common disease. This is exactly the sort of decision state healthcare services are required to make.

But this one very particular situation, out of countless other situations, has just about nothing at all to do with 'morality', itself, that is; the way you people 'should' live your lives. So, why are you wondering about just one very specific situation here?

Why do you not concentrate on 'the way' you people 'should' live your lives, here?

Also, what decision, or decisions, one small particular government department, in just one country, or state, at some particular time period, has, again, just about nothing at all to do with 'the way' you human beings 'should' live your lives.

[Age]

Atla - I mean, that's true in the sense that there are some constraints on morality based on starting assumptions, such as it needing to be applicable to all persons. But that isn't inconsistent and I have been pretty clear about starting assumptions from the off.

If, and when, you ever start with an 'assumption', then you will never ever know if you are on the 'right track' or have just been going 'off track' from the very start.

So, I will suggest that you never ever assume any thing here.

After what is irrefutably True and Right is HERE before you, always. So, there is no good reason to assume any thing at all, and even starting off with assumptions.

This is all incorrect. There is very little you can learn without making some starting assumptions.

This is, obviously, absolutely False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect.

But, please do not change 'your way' if you do not want to.

Also, it seems rather hypocritical and contradictory to pretend to be 'looking for' and 'seeking' answers/solutions here, which you claim to be offering $10,000 for as well, but when different views are presented to you, you respond with complete rejections and do so without seeking out any elaboration nor clarity at all. It is like you already have a fixed view or belief here, which you want to just hold onto, and maintain.

[Age]

Why did you even begin to assume that I was struggling with any words here?

I was just pointing out that some of the words you use together here are not really saying any thing at all.

For example, you have said and written here, 'The objective normative truths about the world.', Is not really saying any thing at all, well to me anyway. And, especially so, when you could have just said and written instead, 'The way we should live our lives'.

And, if you are, seriously, wanting to discover, learn, and understand 'the way', 'you should live your lives', which would be 'the best way' for absolutely every one, and which would help in start creating a much better world for every one, which you allege you are by offering $10,000 in some particular currency, then just asking for advice about 'how you human beings 'should' live your lives' says a great deal and thus a lot more than asking for answers about the so-called 'objective normative truths about the world'.

If the words 'how we should live our lives' suffices, then why even add words like, 'objective', 'normative', 'truths', and 'the world'.

All of which only complicate what is Truly simple and easy. That is; how 'should' you live your life/lives.


Which you did, in two ways.

One way was a Truly over-complicated, needing clarifying, and thus an unnecessary way. And, the other way was Truly just very simple and easy, and ll that was needed here.

"How we should live our lives" is a bit vague.

Well it was 'your definition'.

I was being more specific and clear. For example, you seem to have read "we" as "human beings" but this is incorrect. It is not just human beings that are bound by morality, it is all persons.

So, what, exactly, is the difference between human beings, and, persons, to you?

I was not overcomplicating anything,

If you believe so. But, if you ever also come to know how all of you, persons, 'should' live your lives, then you will learn and see how you actually have been overlooking what is Truly simple, and not complicated, at all here.

I was merely being clearer.

Are you absolutely sure?

For example, if you were, actually, 'merely being clearer', and to you 'human beings' are not 'persons' and that there are more 'persons' than 'human beings', and when you say and write the 'we' word, then you would have been 'merely more clearer' who and/or what the 'we' word refers to, exactly, when 'you' use that word.

[Age]

'your intuitions' have, obviously, been leading you astray, and have been leading you so far astray that you are now offering $10,000 to another/others to help guide you back onto the Right track in Life. Even nearly ten years of trying to work things out here 'your intuition' has not helped you.

So, I would very strongly suggest stop using 'your intuitions' to 'look at' and 'see' things from.

I can only guide you on to how to find the answer/solution for "yourself". I certainly cannot, nor would not, force you to do absolutely any thing.

I have no been guided by my intuition. As I've said before, I don't think intuitions are a reliable way of determining the truth.

Well considering that you have not yet found, nor determined, what 'the truth' is, exactly, then what 'you think', or 'do not think', is not 'the way' of finding, and determining, what the actual Truth, exactly, is.

So, maybe if you had followed 'Intuitions', themselves, you may have already found, and know, what the Truth is, exactly.

Also, it is not the right track for my life that I am seeking, it is the answer to morality entire.

What 'the answer' is to how you people 'should' live your lives is already known, by some. But, obviously, some thing you are doing, or not doing, has not yet allowed you to, also, know 'the answer' to 'morality'.

[Age]

If I ever find myself dwelling in the Kingdom of Heaven, which is highly unlikely if you are to be believed (although you usually aren't), I will abide by God's rules, but I am living on planet Earth right now, in the human world.

Here is another prime example of these ones, back then, believing in, and spreading, 'the misinterpretation', and not the actual Fact.

The so-called 'kingdom of heaven' is 'on earth', or wherever else 'we' end up living, in this One and only Universe. The 'kingdom of heaven' is not in some other imagined, magical, mystical, nor misinterpreted place. The 'kingdom of heaven' can only ever exist 'here' where, and while, 'we' are living.

And here is another prime example of your inability to interpret and understand other people.

LOL So, you people have been arguing, bickering, fighting, and/or warring and killing each other over whether things like if 'heaven' and 'hell' exist or not, in some magical, made up, and impossible place, and you have been doing this for hundreds upon hundreds of years, and laughingly, it is, supposedly, 'me' who does not have the ability to interpret and understand you people.

It is you people who, still, do not yet understand each other and "yourselves". As can be clearly seen and proved True just in the writings in this forum, let alone with your other writings, left after the days when this is being written.

Please keep on disagreeing and arguing with "Immanuel can" about whether 'heaven' in some absolutely impossible place exists or not.

One day you two, and other people, might, also, learn, and understand, what the True, Right, Accurate, and Correct interpretation of what the 'heaven' word means, and is referring to, exactly.

Then, and only then, you two, and everyone else, will start agreeing with each other.

But, until 'then' you will keep providing prime examples of having, and sharing, completely False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect 'misinterpretations' of things here.

The words 'heaven' and 'hell', in the bible, never ever meant, nor ever referred to, some place, where you human beings individually go to after what is also misinterpreted, and Wrongly claimed, 'the end of your lives'.

[Age]

And to add to what I have been saying and pointing out here, when you people also discover, or learn, and understand how you 'should' live your lives, then you can, and will, begin to start creating 'the way of life', which you all once wanted to 'live in', which is just 'in peace and harmony' with every one, or in other words, 'in heaven'.

Living 'on earth', as it is 'in heaven', is 'the goal' every theology talks about, and refers to. Which, by the way, is, exactly, where you human beings are collectively heading towards. And, where you all would have been years ago, if you had, previously, already just let go of your beliefs and presumptions, opened up completely, where truly honest about your Wrong doings, and were serious about changing, for the better.

Knowing how to live your lives, which aligns with what is actually Right, in Life, is knowing to base it on; What is needed in Life, and to do onto others what you would want done onto you, but if you were 'them'. There are only two different lots, or groups, of human beings. Children, and, adults. So, do onto children if you were children. Combine this with; Do not abuse any thing, and live with being happy with only what you need, and not only when you get what you want, then you adults will start creating 'the life' 'on earth' 'as it is in heaven', and which absolutely every one once wanted and desired any way, and deep down, still, Truly wants, and desires.

[Harbal]

Here is another prime example of these ones, back then, believing in, and spreading, 'the misinterpretation', and not the actual Fact.

The so-called 'kingdom of heaven' is 'on earth', or wherever else 'we' end up living, in this One and only Universe. The 'kingdom of heaven' is not in some other imagined, magical, mystical, nor misinterpreted place. The 'kingdom of heaven' can only ever exist 'here' where, and while, 'we' are living.

And here is another prime example of your inability to interpret and understand other people.

LOL So, you people have been arguing, bickering, fighting, and/or warring and killing each other over whether things like if 'heaven' and 'hell' exist or not, in some magical, made up, and impossible place,

I haven't been fighting, warring or killing anybody over anything. On what do you base this stupid allegation?

and you have been doing this for hundreds upon hundreds of years,

I haven't been doing anything for hundreds of years.

and laughingly, it is, supposedly, 'me' who does not have the ability to interpret and understand you people.

Most of your incessant objections and criticisms of the comments on this forum are due to your inability to distinguish between metaphoric, figurative, literal and various other modes of speech.

Please keep on disagreeing and arguing with "Immanuel can" about whether 'heaven' in some absolutely impossible place exists or not.

I don't remember arguing with anybody about what heaven is.

One day you two, and other people, might, also, learn, and understand, what the True, Right, Accurate, and Correct interpretation of what the 'heaven' word means, and is referring to, exactly.

It means and refers to whatever the person who is using the word intends it to mean and refer to at the time he is using it.

The words 'heaven' and 'hell', in the bible, never ever meant, nor ever referred to, some place, where you human beings individually go to after what is also misinterpreted, and Wrongly claimed, 'the end of your lives'.

I don't know why you are telling me this. I have no interest in what the Bible says about anything.

[Immanuel Can]

Your thorough lack of logic replaced by all your extreme prejudices and lies precludes any kind of intelligent conversation with you.

You echo my thoughts completely. I'd like to say your company will be missed...but I won't.

[Age]

And here is another prime example of your inability to interpret and understand other people.

LOL So, you people have been arguing, bickering, fighting, and/or warring and killing each other over whether things like if 'heaven' and 'hell' exist or not, in some magical, made up, and impossible place,

I haven't been fighting, warring or killing anybody over anything. On what do you base this stupid allegation?

Why did you not use and include the words 'arguing' and 'bickering' like I did, and only use the other words, as though I was only talking about the 'other words' only?

Also, did you not notice I used the words, 'you people', which, obviously, would not include 'you', the one here known as "harbal", if 'you' have not, personally, fought, warred, nor killed 'another' over whether 'heaven' and 'hell' exists.

I also used the words 'each other' in relation to the 'warring and killing' of, which, also, just as obvious, would not include 'you' "harbal" if 'you' are, still, here talking, bickering, or arguing with others here.

Now, if you would like to 'read' 'the actual words' that I have chosen, and used, here, from a completely other perspective, and from 'the one', which I actually meant, then 'the base' of 'the allegation' that 'you', "harbal", have, personally, been bickering and arguing with another, over whether 'heaven' and 'hell' exist or not, can be clearly seen, and proved irrefutably True, through and by 'your words', alone, with others here.

and you have been doing this for hundreds upon hundreds of years,

I haven't been doing anything for hundreds of years.

So, if you, personally, have not been doing 'this' for hundreds and hundreds of years, which is blatantly obvious to ever reader here, unless some might think you have, personally, lived for hundreds and hundreds of years. So, either there was absolutely no use mentioning that you have not, or you actually thought or believed that some readers here might have actually thought that you have lived for hundreds and hundreds of years.

When I said and wrote, 'you people .... have been killing each other... for hundreds and hundreds of years', I would have thought that this was blatantly obviously not directed at you "harbal" here.

And, let 'us' not forget that it was 'you' who said and wrote, 'about me', and that I have provided, another prime example of my inability to interpret and understand other people.

I am not sure how you could have begun to have misinterpreted 'me' so much here.

and laughingly, it is, supposedly, 'me' who does not have the ability to interpret and understand you people.

Most of your incessant objections and criticisms of the comments on this forum are due to your inability to distinguish between metaphoric, figurative, literal and various other modes of speech.

Or, just maybe I have, actually, distinguished between 'those things', but that I have just 'come across' as though I do not have 'this ability', and combined with 'other things' has led some of you to actually believe, absolutely, that I cannot.

And, what you are trying to say and claim here is absolutely laughable when I am the one picking up on 'the comments', in this forum, which are absolute misinterpretations, from what is actually irrefutably True, and Right, in Life.

For example, the words 'heaven' and 'hell' were never even intended to mean, nor to refer to, you, individual human beings, nor to what happens to you after individual human bodies stop breathing or what you also Wrong call 'died'.

And, if absolutely any one of you human beings want to question, and/or challenge, me over this, then let 'us' go ahead and do it.

Until then 'you', "harbal" and "immanuel can" continually bickering and fighting over your own personal, unsubstantiated, beliefs is only proving absolutely True and Right how Wrong and False your own personal misinterpretation of things here, really are.

The words 'heaven' and 'hell' for example were never ever meant in relation to you individual human beings and after 'your life' so calls 'ends'. This interpretation is the very furthest from what those words actually, and actually refer to, exactly.

Please keep on disagreeing and arguing with "Immanuel can" about whether 'heaven' in some absolutely impossible place exists or not.

I don't remember arguing with anybody about what heaven is.

Even in 'the quote' you directly responded to here I never mentioned you arguing about 'what heaven is', you, still, somehow managed to 'misread' what I actually said and wrote, 'misinterpreted' what I actually said and wrote, and then replied with your own 'misreading' and 'misinterpretation'.

I said and wrote that you two were disagreeing about whether 'heaven' exists in some absolutely impossible place, or not'.

Can you see and spot the difference, this time?

And, in fact, I would suggest that you both, actually, do 'agree on', and/or have roughly the same interpretation, of 'what' 'heaven' is.

you are both absolutely Wrong, and Incorrect, by the way, but you are both agreeing on 'this', somewhat.

One day you two, and other people, might, also, learn, and understand, what the True, Right, Accurate, and Correct interpretation of what the 'heaven' word means, and is referring to, exactly.

It means and refers to whatever the person who is using the word intends it to mean and refer to at the time he is using it.

Very, very True.

And, absolutely any interpretation of 'heaven' and/or 'hell' in regards to where one goes to, 'after' so-called 'death' is absolutely False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect I will also add here, now.

The words 'heaven' and 'hell', in the bible, never ever meant, nor ever referred to, some place, where you human beings individually go to after what is also misinterpreted, and Wrongly claimed, 'the end of your lives'.

I don't know why you are telling me this. I have no interest in what the Bible says about anything.

you do claim this a fair bit in this forum. Although you spend quite a fair bit of time talking about God, or other things that are also written in the bible.

Oh, and by the way, I am telling you, "immanuel can", and/or readers here that if your interpretation of 'heaven' and 'hell' is in relation to individual human beings and what happens to individual human beings after they so-call 'die', then you are Wrong, and Incorrect, here.

And, I am telling you this because you have just some a fair bit of time talking to "Immanuel can" about 'heaven', itself.

[Harbal]

LOL So, you people have been arguing, bickering, fighting, and/or warring and killing each other over whether things like if 'heaven' and 'hell' exist or not, in some magical, made up, and impossible place,

I haven't been fighting, warring or killing anybody over anything. On what do you base this stupid allegation?

Why did you not use and include the words 'arguing' and 'bickering' like I did, and only use the other words, as though I was only talking about the 'other words' only?

Also, did you not notice I used the words, 'you people', which, obviously, would not include 'you', the one here known as "harbal", if 'you' have not, personally, fought, warred, nor killed 'another' over whether 'heaven' and 'hell' exists.

I also used the words 'each other' in relation to the 'warring and killing' of, which, also, just as obvious, would not include 'you' "harbal" if 'you' are, still, here talking, bickering, or arguing with others here.

Now, if you would like to 'read' 'the actual words' that I have chosen, and used, here, from a completely other perspective, and from 'the one', which I actually meant, then 'the base' of 'the allegation' that 'you', "harbal", have, personally, been bickering and arguing with another, over whether 'heaven' and 'hell' exist or not, can be clearly seen, and proved irrefutably True, through and by 'your words', alone, with others here.

and you have been doing this for hundreds upon hundreds of years,

I haven't been doing anything for hundreds of years.

So, if you, personally, have not been doing 'this' for hundreds and hundreds of years, which is blatantly obvious to ever reader here, unless some might think you have, personally, lived for hundreds and hundreds of years. So, either there was absolutely no use mentioning that you have not, or you actually thought or believed that some readers here might have actually thought that you have lived for hundreds and hundreds of years.

When I said and wrote, 'you people .... have been killing each other... for hundreds and hundreds of years', I would have thought that this was blatantly obviously not directed at you "harbal" here.

And, let 'us' not forget that it was 'you' who said and wrote, 'about me', and that I have provided, another prime example of my inability to interpret and understand other people.

I am not sure how you could have begun to have misinterpreted 'me' so much here.

and laughingly, it is, supposedly, 'me' who does not have the ability to interpret and understand you people.

Most of your incessant objections and criticisms of the comments on this forum are due to your inability to distinguish between metaphoric, figurative, literal and various other modes of speech.

Or, just maybe I have, actually, distinguished between 'those things', but that I have just 'come across' as though I do not have 'this ability', and combined with 'other things' has led some of you to actually believe, absolutely, that I cannot.

And, what you are trying to say and claim here is absolutely laughable when I am the one picking up on 'the comments', in this forum, which are absolute misinterpretations, from what is actually irrefutably True, and Right, in Life.

For example, the words 'heaven' and 'hell' were never even intended to mean, nor to refer to, you, individual human beings, nor to what happens to you after individual human bodies stop breathing or what you also Wrong call 'died'.

And, if absolutely any one of you human beings want to question, and/or challenge, me over this, then let 'us' go ahead and do it.

Until then 'you', "harbal" and "immanuel can" continually bickering and fighting over your own personal, unsubstantiated, beliefs is only proving absolutely True and Right how Wrong and False your own personal misinterpretation of things here, really are.

The words 'heaven' and 'hell' for example were never ever meant in relation to you individual human beings and after 'your life' so calls 'ends'. This interpretation is the very furthest from what those words actually, and actually refer to, exactly.

Please keep on disagreeing and arguing with "Immanuel can" about whether 'heaven' in some absolutely impossible place exists or not.

I don't remember arguing with anybody about what heaven is.

Even in 'the quote' you directly responded to here I never mentioned you arguing about 'what heaven is', you, still, somehow managed to 'misread' what I actually said and wrote, 'misinterpreted' what I actually said and wrote, and then replied with your own 'misreading' and 'misinterpretation'.

I said and wrote that you two were disagreeing about whether 'heaven' exists in some absolutely impossible place, or not'.

Can you see and spot the difference, this time?

And, in fact, I would suggest that you both, actually, do 'agree on', and/or have roughly the same interpretation, of 'what' 'heaven' is.

you are both absolutely Wrong, and Incorrect, by the way, but you are both agreeing on 'this', somewhat.

One day you two, and other people, might, also, learn, and understand, what the True, Right, Accurate, and Correct interpretation of what the 'heaven' word means, and is referring to, exactly.

It means and refers to whatever the person who is using the word intends it to mean and refer to at the time he is using it.

Very, very True.

And, absolutely any interpretation of 'heaven' and/or 'hell' in regards to where one goes to, 'after' so-called 'death' is absolutely False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect I will also add here, now.

The words 'heaven' and 'hell', in the bible, never ever meant, nor ever referred to, some place, where you human beings individually go to after what is also misinterpreted, and Wrongly claimed, 'the end of your lives'.

I don't know why you are telling me this. I have no interest in what the Bible says about anything.

you do claim this a fair bit in this forum. Although you spend quite a fair bit of time talking about God, or other things that are also written in the bible.

Oh, and by the way, I am telling you, "immanuel can", and/or readers here that if your interpretation of 'heaven' and 'hell' is in relation to individual human beings and what happens to individual human beings after they so-call 'die', then you are Wrong, and Incorrect, here.

And, I am telling you this because you have just some a fair bit of time talking to "Immanuel can" about 'heaven', itself.

So what?

[Dubious]

Your thorough lack of logic replaced by all your extreme prejudices and lies precludes any kind of intelligent conversation with you.

You echo my thoughts completely. I'd like to say your company will be missed...but I won't.

You're the one who's well-known in exactly the way it's described, and been informed of such by others many times. Unfortunately, a brain like yours is impervious to any kind of reform or insight. That much about you is crystal clear. Most of your near 24,000 posts prove it!

You remain firmly anchored to your prejudices like a derelict ship that never leaves port.

[Daniel McKay]

Age -

I am not obsessing over this particular case, I am giving you an example. Also, morality should give us answers to exactly this sort of question. It should guide us to make the right choices when faced with difficult decisions. How we should live our lives very much includes what we should do when the right answer isn't obvious.

I am seeking answers, but I am seeking answers to a specific question. What you are providing is assertions that the question is not worth asking. Also, you are incorrect about assumptions. They are required for almost all knowledge in all disciplines.

I did not simply say "how we should live our lives". I made a more specific statement and you claimed it was a pointless one. "Persons" refers to free, rational agents. "Humans" refers to a specific species of which we are members. Something can be a human without being a person (such as in cases of brain death) and something can be a person without being a human (intelligent aliens would be persons).

Your assertion that my methodology must be flawed because I have not yet answered perhaps the greatest question ever posed is a bit silly. I do not think there is yet a person on earth who knows the answer to how people should live their lives. If you think you know, then by all means share. However, if your answer is a vague platitude of the order "do not abuse anything", then I suggest that you are wrong.

[Age]

I haven't been fighting, warring or killing anybody over anything. On what do you base this stupid allegation?

Why did you not use and include the words 'arguing' and 'bickering' like I did, and only use the other words, as though I was only talking about the 'other words' only?

Also, did you not notice I used the words, 'you people', which, obviously, would not include 'you', the one here known as "harbal", if 'you' have not, personally, fought, warred, nor killed 'another' over whether 'heaven' and 'hell' exists.

I also used the words 'each other' in relation to the 'warring and killing' of, which, also, just as obvious, would not include 'you' "harbal" if 'you' are, still, here talking, bickering, or arguing with others here.

Now, if you would like to 'read' 'the actual words' that I have chosen, and used, here, from a completely other perspective, and from 'the one', which I actually meant, then 'the base' of 'the allegation' that 'you', "harbal", have, personally, been bickering and arguing with another, over whether 'heaven' and 'hell' exist or not, can be clearly seen, and proved irrefutably True, through and by 'your words', alone, with others here.

I haven't been doing anything for hundreds of years.

So, if you, personally, have not been doing 'this' for hundreds and hundreds of years, which is blatantly obvious to ever reader here, unless some might think you have, personally, lived for hundreds and hundreds of years. So, either there was absolutely no use mentioning that you have not, or you actually thought or believed that some readers here might have actually thought that you have lived for hundreds and hundreds of years.

When I said and wrote, 'you people .... have been killing each other... for hundreds and hundreds of years', I would have thought that this was blatantly obviously not directed at you "harbal" here.

And, let 'us' not forget that it was 'you' who said and wrote, 'about me', and that I have provided, another prime example of my inability to interpret and understand other people.

I am not sure how you could have begun to have misinterpreted 'me' so much here.

Most of your incessant objections and criticisms of the comments on this forum are due to your inability to distinguish between metaphoric, figurative, literal and various other modes of speech.

Or, just maybe I have, actually, distinguished between 'those things', but that I have just 'come across' as though I do not have 'this ability', and combined with 'other things' has led some of you to actually believe, absolutely, that I cannot.

And, what you are trying to say and claim here is absolutely laughable when I am the one picking up on 'the comments', in this forum, which are absolute misinterpretations, from what is actually irrefutably True, and Right, in Life.

For example, the words 'heaven' and 'hell' were never even intended to mean, nor to refer to, you, individual human beings, nor to what happens to you after individual human bodies stop breathing or what you also Wrong call 'died'.

And, if absolutely any one of you human beings want to question, and/or challenge, me over this, then let 'us' go ahead and do it.

Until then 'you', "harbal" and "immanuel can" continually bickering and fighting over your own personal, unsubstantiated, beliefs is only proving absolutely True and Right how Wrong and False your own personal misinterpretation of things here, really are.

The words 'heaven' and 'hell' for example were never ever meant in relation to you individual human beings and after 'your life' so calls 'ends'. This interpretation is the very furthest from what those words actually, and actually refer to, exactly.

I don't remember arguing with anybody about what heaven is.

Even in 'the quote' you directly responded to here I never mentioned you arguing about 'what heaven is', you, still, somehow managed to 'misread' what I actually said and wrote, 'misinterpreted' what I actually said and wrote, and then replied with your own 'misreading' and 'misinterpretation'.

I said and wrote that you two were disagreeing about whether 'heaven' exists in some absolutely impossible place, or not'.

Can you see and spot the difference, this time?

And, in fact, I would suggest that you both, actually, do 'agree on', and/or have roughly the same interpretation, of 'what' 'heaven' is.

you are both absolutely Wrong, and Incorrect, by the way, but you are both agreeing on 'this', somewhat.

It means and refers to whatever the person who is using the word intends it to mean and refer to at the time he is using it.

Very, very True.

And, absolutely any interpretation of 'heaven' and/or 'hell' in regards to where one goes to, 'after' so-called 'death' is absolutely False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect I will also add here, now.

I don't know why you are telling me this. I have no interest in what the Bible says about anything.

you do claim this a fair bit in this forum. Although you spend quite a fair bit of time talking about God, or other things that are also written in the bible.

Oh, and by the way, I am telling you, "immanuel can", and/or readers here that if your interpretation of 'heaven' and 'hell' is in relation to individual human beings and what happens to individual human beings after they so-call 'die', then you are Wrong, and Incorrect, here.

And, I am telling you this because you have just some a fair bit of time talking to "Immanuel can" about 'heaven', itself.

So what?

you are absolutely free to keep talking with others about yours, and others, very False and Wrong interpretation of things.

And, doing so is proving True about why it took you human beings so very, very long to also come to learn and realize what the actual Truth of things is, exactly.

So, this is 'what'.

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Your thorough lack of logic replaced by all your extreme prejudices and lies precludes any kind of intelligent conversation with you.

You echo my thoughts completely. I'd like to say your company will be missed...but I won't.

You're the one who's well-known in exactly the way it's described, and been informed of such by others many times. Unfortunately, a brain like yours is impervious to any kind of reform or insight. That much about you is crystal clear. Most of your near 24,000 posts prove it!

You remain firmly anchored to your prejudices like a derelict ship that never leaves port.

This is the direct result and consequence of having, and maintaining, beliefs, themselves.